Does Good Come From God?

[puddlemonkey]

love me some sense experience

 

[calveless wonder]

holy long fucking posts. tl;dr

Here's a question. Perhaps a different thread altogether?

What if Jesus really wasn't/isn't God? You know that whole trinity thing? What if it really is just one god like the Jews believe and the bible says? So, god is real, but Jesus was just another man. A good man, a prophet, but just a man, not god.

The people who worship him as god would be guilty of breaking the first commandment. Just like the israelites who made and worshiped the golden calf. What might happen to them at this afterlife?

The holy trinity concept was created by Constantine.

And to be honest, my belief system is pretty much in line with your first paragraph minus the "prophet" part. As with any story, the more times it's told the more it evolves into something completely different. Given the lack of real historical recordings of Jesus, as well as the confirmed forgery of accounts by the Romans to aid their Manifest Destiny cause, there's far more doubt in what Jesus actually did than there is proof.

My belief is that he was a good man, probably to the point of true altruism, but he did not perform miracles and most definitely didn't raise from the dead yada yada yada.

I mean, think of it this way. You have a bunch of wacky cults running around this day in age led by people who claim to be prophets or God himself. They exist, and they have followers. People actually believe this. That is despite having access to real eduction, information and a far more developed and open minded society to disprove these cult leaders and their wacky rhetoric.

Now go back 2000+ years. Society is without any of that, and people especially desperate ones, can easily be led to believe anything. Now, it may not even been Jesus himself who claimed he was the son of god, it might have been the Romans later on in an attempt to create a figurehead for their cause.

Walk on water? Turn bread into wine? Give me a break.

 

[cindylou]

Jesus turned bread into wine?

Constintine did not create the holy trinity concept, although they do teach that idk why they do because it is incorrect

Outside of that though, this thread isn't about Jesus, the trinity, but God. Jesus as God and the trinity is a whole different thread, and honestly I think there is a solid enough argument against the trinity to not even want to go there. lol

 

[cindylou]

1. Thor would whoop the shit out of jesus like the redheaded stepchild he was.

2. I've been in the presence of elephants..I know they exist because there are metrics for determining the existence of elephants....they are natural creatures. I've never touched a jesus or any other of the thousands of gods mankind has created.

3. Everyone knows Santa lives in a dimensional rift at the north pole that our science is incapable of penetrating, after all, he delivers toys all across the world in a single night..he obviously uses the same supernatural powers to hide his existence as well as that of his toy factory. This anti Santa bigotry is offensive because everyone knows supernatural beings can't die, they are powered by belief, and as long as people believe they exist they will continue to exist..not a single elf has ever died. As a matter of fact, I think that's Obama's energy policy....just hope really hard and your computer will be powered by hope and unicorn tears.

1. No one brought up Jesus

2. Elephants in the room

3. That hurt my eyes to read, what a bunch of shit lol. @ Obama's energy policy

 

[calveless wonder]

Jesus turned bread into wine?

Constintine did not create the holy trinity concept, although they do teach that idk why they do because it is incorrect

Outside of that though, this thread isn't about Jesus, the trinity, but God. Jesus as God and the trinity is a whole different thread, and honestly I think there is a solid enough argument against the trinity to not even want to go there. lol

don't be a jerk, you know what i meant.

Did not the Nicene creed proclaim the concept of the holy spirit? if not, i'd like to hear what you have to say

 

[cindylou]

don't be a jerk, you know what i meant.

Did not the Nicene creed proclaim the concept of the holy spirit? if not, i'd like to hear what you have to say

lol I'm sorry

The concept is in the Byzantine manuscript/texts and they never made their way into Rome.

 

[Strongbow]

The holy spirit is a man's own conscious, that voice in your head that tells you right from wrong. Wurd

 

[cindylou]

I'll reiterate the Hitchens challenge...name an act of charity/kindness that requires someone to have faith in a deity?

Hitchens actually goes further with his challenge...

No one answers it becuase it can't be answered. Manipulative.

First, no one has said that without God we wouldn't know right from wrong, but that there wouldn't be a right from wrong.

Even so, how could you could not do something that I could do? How could I do something moral and you be unable to do it? The only way for that to happen would be for me to recognize something as moral and you not to recognize it as moral. If you don't recognize it as moral, the question can't be answered. No one could accept the challenge.

So I'll give the answer he probably expected: how about loving God with all your strength, heart, soul and mind? No atheist will do that and no atheist can do that. You might even call it immoral. Oh wait...

 

[Strongb0w]

The evidence of the spirit in ones heart is evidence enough ngrs.

 

[cindylou]

lmfao...wtf are you?