vinylgroover said:
I've been there and done it C-ditty and continue to train with extreme pain as i have done the last few years......but i don't juice, never have. That doesn't mean i'm not balls out when i train and i have no fear in saying that i train harder than many here....juiced or not
The one thing that fucks me off the most here is the notion that if you're not juiced you're not a dedicated or hard trainer.
Never said that... never would imply that. I trained until I was 25 before engaging in such activities.
But you have to admit VL, it takes a certain amount of dedication to take it ot that level...
On the same token, I get p'd off when people say "Oh, you just got that big because of AS..." -- I train with my life in the gym... there are guys who abuse AS, and they abuse it by not taking full advantage of the benefits...
The truth is, you'll only get so big naturally... and if you can reach your goal that way, then I am 100% in favor of it. I however, don't think I can reach my goal of 280 and jacked without the usage... it doesn't mean I WORK any less hard.
I know you put out the effort VL, I see it in the Training board... Anyone who has read BFold's posts wouldn't rip on a natural bodybuilder for lack of desire...
That being said, it is STILL takes, when done for the right reason, that dedication to take it to the next level...
C-ditty