Does anybody think Louie Simmons might offer me a contract?....seriously?

[Exodus]

Whats up to all of the really cool people ( and everybody else) on this board!!!!!

I know the subject is kinda stupid but its kinda serious.

I always wanted to be a bodybuilder..... ever since i first saw arnold at age 5.

when i turned 15 i started wrestling (made captain by my senior year)....... so i had to start working out.

so i did like most do..... started buying those stupid magizines and doing what they do....(high rep bull)

for the first 2 and a half years after i graduated i trained and competed in bodybuilding. Well that didnt go so well.

my body responds to low reps...... so then i found this page

now i am 260lbs on a 5"10 frame...... and i dont remember the last time i saw my abs..... but im not a weakling either.

i am training westside currently......... (actually i think i am the only person in Alabama to be training this way)........ but i go

m.e. squat on sat
m.e. bench on mon
d.e. squat on wed.
d.e. bench on fri.

i just finnished a 12 week cycle....... i am starting it over again on saturday....... with only 1 difference...... i will be going to 3 rep max's instead of 1 rep.

i am also getting married on Sept 7th......... thank you.......... so i am going to slim down some for the honeymoon.

here is my plan...... i just plan on eating the same amount just a little cleaner...... maybe some skim milk instead of whole....... some chicken instead of ground meat.

but my training will be exactly the same as it is now...... but after i finish the next 12 weeks of 3 rep max's......... i will do 4 weeks with 6 rep max's......... then 4 weeks of 9 rep max's........ and finally 4 weeks with 12 rep max's.

do you think it could work........ i mean can westside work the same for bodybuilding as it does for powerlifiting?

you only go to failure on that 1 exercise and everything else is like normal....... sled work...... band work at home........ 60 reps for triceps.......3-4 sets of shoulders.........3-4 sets of lats..... 3-4 sets of upper back...... so on and so forth...... staying 2 reps away from failure at all times.

i want everyone's honest opinion......... scientifically should it work?....... please read it good before you answer.

if yall think so........ i will go get on the phone with Louie right now....... if yall dont...... thats cool...... i apprciate the honesty........ i will still do it(wait until it works) and then call Louie.

thanks guys

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[brianmincher]

I used to do a bodybuilder type workout, though I never competed, I never grew worth a shit. I took up Westside training, and I live it to the letter. Chains, bands, ugly ass Chuck Taylor Converses, the whole outfit. Since I started this about 8 months ago, I have put over an inch on my arms, my bench has increased over 120 lbs, my muscularity has gone through the roof, and even though I eat anything I feel like, I am leaner now than I was 20 lbs ago.

I think it will work. Louie Simmons has trained at least one pro bodybuilder that I know of, Craig Titus. The principles are sound, and the upper back work is specifically designed to promote hypertrophy, so I don't see why that sort of a system cannot be applied to all muscle groups you want to grow.

As for a contract, I would not hold my breath. I don't think Louie works like Joe Weider, although you may want to ask Flapwrlifter on that one to be sure.

Good luck,

B

 

[Exodus]

thanks brian

i aint lookin to be a slave to louie like all of weiders minions are.

im thinking along the lines of ............. if westside is the number 1 way for powerlifters to train in the world.......... why cant it be that way for bodybuilding as well???

just my thoughts.

im not really looking for louie to come knocking down my door......... but.......... my momma always told me to aim high!!

keep the reply's coming.

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[powerlifterjay]

MY opinion.. Is this . I think if yoiu wanna be a strong Bodybuilder you would need to do half and half. Cause Bodybuilders get bigger and more pumped to slow controled reps (TIME UNDER TENSION) squeezing at he top. Now if you just wanna be a big guy with good muscles do it. BUt i would say afterr your power movement you need to engougre the muscle with blood for size. So do both. If you wanna be a competetive Bodybuilder then i would say dont do it and train HIT. Just my 2 cents. Been there done both.

 

[IrishPower]

The westside philosophy is geared much more towards training the nervous system then it is for muscular hypertrophy. Most will gain weight and muscle on the program as a mere by-product of handling heavy weight.

However, I think the similarity ends there. What you are describing is yet another variation of progressive-overload-- Lowering reps/ raising weight, albeit in a slower fashion. Carefully read a recent article Louie published in this month's PLUSA. It describes how these 'phase-training' schemes do NOT work for powerlifting as you are de-training your core. Louie goes into more detail than I can. Go buy the issue.

Louie says time and time again, progressive overload DOES NOT WORK for powerlifting. You are not really grasping the philosophy. Your reps do not do shit on dynamic day. YOu are training your explosion. And the max effort days are NOT geared towards growth as much as attacking the core lifts from different angles.

If you want to be a bodybuilder, go train like a bodybuilder. The guys at westside dont look anything close to bodybuilders. In fact most of them dont look anything like the weight they can move. Super-infact, I think they hate bodybuilders.

Why dont you post this question to Dave Tate on elitefts.com and see how he responds?

As far as a contract, I hope that was a joke. Please dont post this one to elitefts as you will be ridiculed to tears.

/irish

 

[Exodus]

irish

thanks for the honest opinion

yes the contract was a joke.......obviously

what i outlined...... is exactly westside training........ like i am doing now........... just becuase i change the number of reps on max-effort day doesnt change the concept of westide.

progressive overload i know does not work......... but i would have to say that westside is all about progressively overloading the body..... not with the same exercise....... but always taxing the body as much as possible on your max effort exercise......

your suppose to try and beat your PR on a particular exercise every workout you do it...... thats exactly what im talking about

i wasnt talking about doing the same shit every workout and upping my reps and weight........ please dont misread what i wrote

any body else with a scientific response?

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[CytoMel]

The westside philosophy is geared much more towards training the nervous system then it is for muscular hypertrophy. Most will gain weight and muscle on the program as a mere by-product of handling heavy weight.

However, I think the similarity ends there. What you are describing is yet another variation of progressive-overload-- Lowering reps/ raising weight, albeit in a slower fashion. Carefully read a recent article Louie published in this month's PLUSA. It describes how these 'phase-training' schemes do NOT work for powerlifting as you are de-training your core. Louie goes into more detail than I can. Go buy the issue.

Louie says time and time again, progressive overload DOES NOT WORK for powerlifting. You are not really grasping the philosophy. Your reps do not do shit on dynamic day. YOu are training your explosion. And the max effort days are NOT geared towards growth as much as attacking the core lifts from different angles.

If you want to be a bodybuilder, go train like a bodybuilder. The guys at westside dont look anything close to bodybuilders. In fact most of them dont look anything like the weight they can move. Super-infact, I think they hate bodybuilders.

Why dont you post this question to Dave Tate on elitefts.com and see how he responds?

As far as a contract, I hope that was a joke. Please dont post this one to elitefts as you will be ridiculed to tears.

/irish

I think that a lot of the guys at westside look like bodybuilders and they look a strong as the weight they can move. Sure some of them carry a little too much fat to be considered ripped but the thickness of their chest/lats and legs is as good as or better than many top bodybuilders. I recently got to meet current westsider Dave Tate and he looked every bit as strong as his nearly 600 lb bench and 900plus squat. Also from the videos Louie, Halbert and the others including Patterson were all incredibly thick in the arms and chest/lats area.

I dont think that bodybuilders will take up westside training for a few reasons. the bodybuilders are all into those leg press, leg ext, chest ress, smith machines etc that they wont give up like we did. Also they bodybuilders like to stay in particular rep ranges and usually largely disdain 1 to 3 rep maxes. Bodybuilders like to stay in the 8to12 rep range mostly. Also bodybuilders like to do extra bicep, calf, and quad training that build incidentally in the westside program.

By the way bodybuilders hate dynamic effort training..Some bodybuilders were talking behind my back while I was doing DE bench presses with 225 one time, I am really fast with them too. They were talking to eachother about some bullshit that I overheard about how I wasnt doing the reps heavy enough to get any benefit from them (those fools, if they only knew). By the way, who needs those bodybuilders anyways, when was the last time that 8 people were screaming at you during a 1 rep max to get the weight up?

 

[Exodus]

agreed

too many bodybuilders dont want to give up their "precious" exercises......... i know.......... my best friend swapped to westside with me at the same time.......... he kept asking could we do curls......... leg press......... yada yada yada

he only lasted 6 weeks on westside......... couldnt box squat 405 and headed back to the bodybuilding hills.

i love westside more than any bodybuilding program or exercise i have ever done in my life......... i tell everyone i know about it.......... trouble is.......... thats a lot of people.......... i still belive that i am the only powerlifter in Alabama that trains westside style

the thing is........ i have never grown as much as i have doing anything......... compared to the results i am getting from westside.

i am 21......... 5"10 260lbs........ 18 inch arms.......... and 32 inch thighs

maybe this is a stupid post......... but i am still going to try it........ i belive it will work very well with my body type.

and as for dynamic........ yeah.......... no other bodybuilders understand the principal............ but considering that i do mine with 205lbs......... (more than most in my gym does period) they dont give me a whole lot of flak

thanks for the responses guys............ lets hear some others

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[b fold the truth]

Exodus: From what I know of you, you have powerlifting in your blood now. You like being strong, yet want to look good. Just keep doing what you are doing. Switch it up. I modify my west side training for strongman as does Amy Weisberger.

Till you are big enough...what are you worried about?



B True

 

[Exodus]

my buddy b fold

i can always count on you

very good point........... it will be a while before i consider myself big enough.

i am not competing this year.......... next year......... i can forsee a powerlifting comp.

2004.......... depending on how i feel and look then......... i will give bodybuilding a shot........

but who knows......... you have told me how addicting competitions can be......... after my first powerlifting comp........ well see if my mind changes.

yeah.......... powerlifting is in my blood........... its like some new addiction i have found towards lifting.

thanks......................... anybody else?

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