Does anybody run cycles without estrogen control?

[Varga]

Just out of curiosity, like I said does anybody run cycles without any estrogen control like adex, letro etc?

I used to use something for estrogen control every cycle then this cycle I'm not taking any anti-e. I have no sides to speak of besides a little bump in BP.Gained 20lbs so far (week 8) very lean and little bloat to speak of

I'm taking
1-7 100mg prop EOD
1-6 25mg praviron ED
1-16 600test cyp
1-8 400mg EQ (8-16 600mg EQ)
1-8 400mg deca
8-16 800mg Primo enth
It's a 2 stage cycle

So until recently I was running about 900mg of test/week with no prob between the prop and cyp, kind of weird

 

[needtogetaas]

some people just dont need it...."BUT ALWAYS HAVE IT ON HAND"

btw praviron dose help bro.

why only 8 weeks deca and 8 weeks primo.

 

[Varga]

I never made any gains on deca past week 8. I tried it for 12 weeks and after 8 weeks gains were done. As for primo, just using it to cut with the Cyp and EQ, I might run it for 10 weeks depends how I feel

I do have anti-e on hand prob way to much now since I do not need it

 

[needtogetaas]

I never made any gains on Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - past week 8. I tried it for 12 weeks and after 8 weeks gains were done. As for Primobolan - methenolone - , just using it to cut with the testosterone cypionate and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , I might run it for 10 weeks depends how I feel

I do have anti-e on hand prob way to much now since I do not need it

good shit.long as you got it on hand bro...

 

[misticat]

yea... i dont use any.. but i have it just in case...

 

[navigatorrs]

I dont use it ,but i always have some on hand ,just in case the moon face sneaks up on me!!!!!!

 

[Mac173]

I usually run it low, but decided to not run any this cycle, but have them on hand if I need them.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Anti e's are overdone in general and some people don't need them, HOWEVER, you're using Proviron which is an anti estrogen and prim and dec don't convert to e.

 

[hanibal]

no. never. no anti e on hand, no sauce.

 

[xrsist]

i dont use it but have it just in case

 

[big greg 82]

i only use it when needed.

 

[Varga]

Thanks all for the replies, I think that praviron does help like Nelson mentioned.
I do agree that many of the anti-s are over rated unless you do some ungodly amounts of gear or you are sensitive.

So, are the gains better without anti-e control from all of your experiences?

For me it seems to be easier to gain and when the gains in size slows down strength still goes up. I'm not saying anti-e don't have their place just think that sometimes works against making gains in the gym.
I'm kind of suprised how many responded not to using estrogen control- something to think about I guess

 

[instant.muscle]

dont use but have adex on hand, only use if im tkaing in too much sodium and not enough water and my face looks fat, but otherwise during the summer i love the swolen look i get in my sweaters

 

[Triple J]

you should use as little anti-e as possible that is why i now advocate low dose T cycles for bros that convert T to E at higher rates, such as myself. eventually (with age) your body will start to convert T to E all too readily, at that point you will probably want to be like me, cut back your T dosages and/or utilize an anti-estrogen, and stack other anabolic agents that do not aromatize. high E levels will also lead to a deeper level of HPTA suppression.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I might as well be running nothing.

I'm using 2.5mg aromasin ed.

 

[Varga]

2.5 is so low, prob you right

 

[gautho]

very seldom do i use an anti-E.

 

[Varga]

dont use but have Arimidex - anastrozole - on hand, only use if im tkaing in too much sodium and not enough water and my face looks fat, but otherwise during the summer i love the swolen look i get in my sweaters

Haha, that's another way to look at it LOL

 

[danymal04]

i've gotten moon face... not a cool thing... i really didnt know what to use for it... when that happens.. what do you think is the best anti E to use to keep that down.. I must be estrogen prone with test then, because on my test/tren a/mast cycle it happened too. I was thinking of running winny and proviron to stop it but would it be easier using an anti E? what anti E?

 

[hyp1]

usually I don't have to have it,but keep it in hand just in case any problems arise.
better safe than sorry imo

 

[advanced-stealth]

Same here

i only use it when needed.

 

[danymal04]

i've gotten moon face... not a cool thing... i really didnt know what to use for it... when that happens.. what do you think is the best anti E to use to keep that down.. I must be estrogen prone with test then, because on my test/trenbolone a/mast cycle it happened too. I was thinking of running Winstrol - stanozolol and proviron to stop it but would it be easier using an anti E? what anti E?

Can anyone reply to my message?

 

[Varga]

Can anyone reply to my message?

Well, the best anti-e IMO is aromasin, just because it helps with cholesterol issues. Arimidex works good as well but some ppl get hit hard on their lipid profiles while on it.
Femera - letrozole - is very strong and it's a good choice when gynecomastia lurks around

Personally I like aromasin, but you can use any of the 3 mentioned above

Praviron works very well too on its own. I would think you can use either anti-s like adex/aromasin/letro or praviron. Using praviron and adex together would be an over kill.

 

[Varga]

very seldom do i use an anti-E.

Do you get bloated?