Do steroids burn fat???

[Apexx]

Bare with me guys, I'm trying to prove a point to a guy in my office. He seams convinced steroids burn fat. I'm not talking about in an indirect way by building more muscle which would increase metabolism blah blah blah. I'm talking about straight up burning fat off your body like clen or t3 would.

His reasoning:
He know guys who were taking winstrol and var and that made them ripped. He says they ate like shit and didn't do cardio, but were still ripped. So obviously steroids burn fat.

I've explained to him what steroids do and don't do, but he's not listening to me. I was hoping you guys would care to chime in on this one.

 

[Jon79]

i heard they work best with nacho cheese dorito's and koo-aid (the red kind)

 

[Prizz]

Bare with me guys, I'm trying to prove a point to a guy in my office. He seams convinced steroids burn fat. I'm not talking about in an indirect way by building more muscle which would increase metabolism blah blah blah. I'm talking about straight up burning fat off your body like clen or t3 would.

His reasoning:
He know guys who were taking winstrol and var and that made them ripped. He says they ate like shit and didn't do cardio, but were still ripped. So obviously steroids burn fat.

I've explained to him what steroids do and don't do, but he's not listening to me. I was hoping you guys would care to chime in on this one.

They do not burn fat at all.... Steroids do nothing to increase the metabolic rate, they just PROVIDE and optimum hormonal enviornment for muscle growth..... That doesn't mean you'll even grow muscle if you don't do a bunch of other stuff.... Like eat, train right, sleep enough..... There's alot to these compounds, but they absolutely, 100% Postively DON'T burn fat in the slightest.....

rizz

 

[galaxy]

They gained more muscle thus the burned more fat. Plus were more pumped up so they looked more ripped.

 

[Apexx]

thanks prizz. I would give you some green, but I gotta spread it around first.

jon79, don't be stupid. Everybody knows that it's the blue kool aid that burns fat.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Well, AAS that are more androgenic will promote lypolyis (fat lost)....consider AAS such as proviron or masteron.... they're low on the anabolic scale but pretty high on the androgenic scale - they bind very well to AR's

Androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells, and while they act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning. The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue. And if you add, for example, testosterone to the mix, it increases the number of AR's in muscle and fat

 

[VascularitY]

Its been said a thousand times, directly they do not burn fat at all, indirectly they do burn fat in the end result because of an increase of muscle mass blah blah blah like you said, STEROIDS DO NOT BURN FAT, CARDIO AND DIET GET RID OF FAT, along with some help from clen, t3, ECA and a thousand of other metabolic rate enhancers out there

 

[Jon79]

thanks prizz. I would give you some green, but I gotta spread it around first.

jon79, don't be stupid. Everybody knows that it's the blue kool aid that burns fat.

yes you are right.......god damit! stupid stupid stupid!

 

[Apexx]

keep em' coming boys.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm not saying that steroids burn fat per se (is there anything that actually "burns" fat?).... only the body can burn fat.... but just as a proper diet allows the body (forces, even) to burn fat, so can certain AAS promote the body's ability towards lypolysis.... am I off the mark here?

of course, using an AAS as part of a cutting regimen is futile without proper diet!

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

The ONLY compound I would ever suggest MIGHT help the body burn calories is Tren.

This is only from personal experience, I've heard others say similar but I'm sure there are others out there that have not seen this effect.

 

[msam76]

Steroids burn fat only on pigs that are flying

 

[Bruce]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

I'm in no way saying tren burns fat, however I do believe it makes ME burn more calories when I'm on it. I see a big difference in cycles that involve tren vs. cycles that do not.

 

[Bruce]

I'm in no way saying tren burns fat, however I do believe it makes ME burn more calories when I'm on it. I see a big difference in cycles that involve tren vs. cycles that do not.

yes all of these arguments are valid but the point is no steroid can be labeled a fat burner. it is very helpful in promoting fat loss with diet and training on point, as opposed to a straight up fat burner

 

[big_boy_1]

While it has been theorized that steroids help somewhat in fat loss, in real life this effect is too weak.

When you diet or use drugs like thyroid to burn fat, you will also lose muscle.
When you add steroids to a diet, or a thyroid cycle, you greatly reduce the muscle you lose, you will always lose some muscle.

 

[Whacked]

Well, AAS that are more androgenic will promote lypolyis (fat lost)....consider AAS such as proviron or masteron.... they're low on the anabolic scale but pretty high on the androgenic scale - they bind very well to AR's

Androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells, and while they act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning. The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue. And if you add, for example, testosterone to the mix, it increases the number of AR's in muscle and fat

spot on -- great post

 

[Whacked]

If anyone has ever run tren and var - and not burned fat -- something went wrong.

 

[Zuperman]

U want me to send you my pictures after cycle of VAR, Winny, EQ, Test.....at a failure of 255lbs and 25%bf!!!! @5 ' 10''
yea!! i thought they burned fat too. now i look like a water ballon.

 

[njmuscleguy]

U want me to send you my pictures after cycle of VAR, Winny, EQ, Test.....at a failure of 255lbs and 25%bf!!!! @5 ' 10''
yea!! i thought they burned fat too. now i look like a water ballon.

and what exactly was your diet like during that cycle?

 

[Zuperman]

and what exactly was your diet like during that cycle?

LOL, what's a diet??

 

[Zuperman]

atleast I feel like an OX

 

[njmuscleguy]

LOL, what's a diet??

exactly! *grin*

 

[tiggerizme]

Steroids creat an environment that you are more adamant to burn fat in. That's it..

Tren can be construed as a fat burner because it raises your core temp, making you sweat, thus burning more calories even if you don't excercise therefore directly contributing to fat loss. Hmm..

 

[lowpro]

Var, at least for me, helped me control me appetite. But, that's it.



My first cycle was:

1-12 weeks > prop 100mg/eod
1-12 weeks > primo 100mg/eod (just to help ease the prop pain)
1-6 weeks > winny 80mg/ed
6-12 weeks > var 80mg/ed

I was honestly around 21% BF and should have dieted down a bit before I started. I knew though (through research) that if I didn't diet and exercise properly, I'd be throwing my money away. So, because I love money more than I care for my vanity, I cycled anyways. I forced myself to eat right so I didn't waste $600 dollars. Guess what, it worked. I dropped down to 15% bf and I've never looked or felt this good in about 13 years.


If we get into the science of suppliments and aas, no proven research can back up the fact that a magic weight loss pill or oil fill syringe burns fat without diet and cardio. If it exist, show me...please....I'll take two.

 

[SwolK]

Var, at least for me, helped me control me appetite. But, that's it.



My first cycle was:

1-12 weeks > prop 100mg/eod
1-12 weeks > primo 100mg/eod (just to help ease the prop pain)
1-6 weeks > winny 80mg/ed
6-12 weeks > var 80mg/ed

I was honestly around 21% BF and should have dieted down a bit before I started. I knew though (through research) that if I didn't diet and exercise properly, I'd be throwing my money away. So, because I love money more than I care for my vanity, I cycled anyways. I forced myself to eat right so I didn't waste $600 dollars. Guess what, it worked. I dropped down to 15% bf and I've never looked or felt this good in about 13 years.


If we get into the science of suppliments and aas, no proven research can back up the fact that a magic weight loss pill or oil fill syringe burns fat without diet and cardio. If it exist, show me...please....I'll take two.

what kind of diet?

 

[gjohnson5]

AAS has no direct effect on fat

 

[lowpro]

what kind of diet?

High in protein, low in carbs. 6 meals a day. I took my current body and multiplied it by 15 and subtracted 500 from that number; that was how many clean calories I took in. I drank an absurd amount of water, didn't drink and did around 1 hour of cardio 6 days a week. I even overtrained a few times because I got fairly ill. The last 4 weeks I didn't each as much as I should; the var made it a bit hard - not too mention the stim X I ventured into.

 

[zouave]

your brain does alot of work too, when it thinks you're "on." i've run a few light cycles, barely more gear than hrt, and done a few dedicated 3-month plans without gear. there is far more discrepancy than most around here suggest is possible based on the gear alone. i'm not suggesting it's psychosomatic in the sense that you burn fat sitting naked in a lotus pose, listening to bach in candlelight--just that you work a little harder, eat a little better, attend to the little things that ultimately make the difference. like pacino says in 'any given sunday,' it's a game of inches, and on gear, you 'claw with your fingernails for that inch!'

 

[Sassy69]

It would seem another factor that you can't exclude is the recovery factor -- you can train harder (burn more) because you are able to recover more quickly on AAS.

 

[mhcbenz]

i heard they work best with nacho cheese dorito's and koo-aid (the red kind)

..ROTFLMAO!! ok,..seriously ur not helping...but that was some funny shit bro!!

 

[mhcbenz]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

 

[tiggerizme]

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

Did you read my post above yours before you posted this?

 

[njmuscleguy]

It would seem another factor that you can't exclude is the recovery factor -- you can train harder (burn more) because you are able to recover more quickly on AAS.

great point, Sassy!

 

[Apexx]

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

do you think that maybe you are mistaking water loss for fat loss?

 

[swordfish151]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

This is an interesting read I found on the subject matter :

While reading this article keep in mind that Tren (trenbolone finaplix) binds to the androgen receptor incredibly well

The Androgen Receptor

There are many mechanisms behind the ability of androgens to reduce body fat. However, one key determinant of the amount of adipose tissue reduced is that particular androgen's ability to bind to the AR.

I need to mention that most androgens interact with both AR and GR (Glucocorticoid Receptors). We'll touch on that later. For now, let me explain why it matters how well an androgen binds to the AR in terms of reducing adipose tissue. Most of you know that ARs are present in tissue such as muscle. This is one of the mechanisms behind their ability to induce muscular hypertrophy. Now what does this have to do with body fat? Simple, AR's are present in adipose tissue as well. (1)

What does this mean? Well, it's been shown that the higher the density of ARs, the more that lipid uptake is inhibited. (2) It's also been shown that androgens that bind avidly to the AR cause an increase or upregulation of AR in adipocytes. (1) I think the greater the androgen binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in adipocytes occurs. This would lead to a significant reduction in subcutaneous adipose tissue. (3)

Notice that I specifically mentioned subcutaneous adipose tissue (fat right beneath the skin) and not visceral adipose tissue (fat around the internal organs). Why did I bother to differentiate between the two? Simple. For the most part, we bodybuilders are concerned only with subcutaneous adipose tissue. Visceral fat doesn't have much of an effect on a person's appearance. For that reason, we're only concerning ourselves with subcutaneous adipose tissue.

Now, what other mechanisms of action can account for the effects seen with those steroids that bind tightly to the AR? Well, those that bind tightly to the AR will decrease LPL (Lipoprotein Lipase), which is an enzyme that causes lipid accumulation. (4) They may also decrease Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase and Fatty Acid Synthetase.(5)

Another interesting note is that androgens have been shown to increase adenyl cylclase as well. This is the enzyme which is responsible for the conversion of cytoplasmic ATP into cyclic AMP. Increasing its concentrations is a good thing, in other words.

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[drrman]

there have been some proven studies that tren will burn fat through some mechanism i cannot recall

 

[njmuscleguy]

This is an interesting read I found on the subject matter :

While reading this article keep in mind that Tren (trenbolone finaplix) binds to the androgen receptor incredibly well

The Androgen Receptor

There are many mechanisms behind the ability of androgens to reduce body fat. However, one key determinant of the amount of adipose tissue reduced is that particular androgen's ability to bind to the AR.

I need to mention that most androgens interact with both AR and GR (Glucocorticoid Receptors). We'll touch on that later. For now, let me explain why it matters how well an androgen binds to the AR in terms of reducing adipose tissue. Most of you know that ARs are present in tissue such as muscle. This is one of the mechanisms behind their ability to induce muscular hypertrophy. Now what does this have to do with body fat? Simple, AR's are present in adipose tissue as well. (1)

What does this mean? Well, it's been shown that the higher the density of ARs, the more that lipid uptake is inhibited. (2) It's also been shown that androgens that bind avidly to the AR cause an increase or upregulation of AR in adipocytes. (1) I think the greater the androgen binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in adipocytes occurs. This would lead to a significant reduction in subcutaneous adipose tissue. (3)

Notice that I specifically mentioned subcutaneous adipose tissue (fat right beneath the skin) and not visceral adipose tissue (fat around the internal organs). Why did I bother to differentiate between the two? Simple. For the most part, we bodybuilders are concerned only with subcutaneous adipose tissue. Visceral fat doesn't have much of an effect on a person's appearance. For that reason, we're only concerning ourselves with subcutaneous adipose tissue.

Now, what other mechanisms of action can account for the effects seen with those steroids that bind tightly to the AR? Well, those that bind tightly to the AR will decrease LPL (Lipoprotein Lipase), which is an enzyme that causes lipid accumulation. (4) They may also decrease Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase and Fatty Acid Synthetase.(5)

Another interesting note is that androgens have been shown to increase adenyl cylclase as well. This is the enzyme which is responsible for the conversion of cytoplasmic ATP into cyclic AMP. Increasing its concentrations is a good thing, in other words.

This is exactly what my earlier post was saying, though in a much more abridged and simplistic way Any AAS that bind strongly to AR's in fat cells will promote lypolysis... that's why substances like tren, proviron, and masteron are sometimes thought of as "fat-burning" (again, provided that diet is in check!)

 

[Apexx]

good posts sword and nj

I understand what you guys are saying and I'm not arguing that. As I stated in the post, I'm looking for is proof that aas will significantly reduce body fat as a thermogenic would. I've been looking everywhere and I cannot find any proof that any aas taken by itself will transform a person from average to "ripped". You simply cannot take a steroid such as wintrol in this case, not do cardio and eat like shit, but still get ripped.

Your points are valid, but to what extent? IMO, the effectiveness of any aas to burn body fat is very minimal. They can have the effect of hardening the muscle while reducing water which would give the appearance of the ripped look. However, if you weren't at that "ripped" point already, they aren't going to burn enough fat to get you there.

 

[njmuscleguy]

good posts sword and nj

I understand what you guys are saying and I'm not arguing that. As I stated in the post, I'm looking for is proof that aas will significantly reduce body fat as a thermogenic would. I've been looking everywhere and I cannot find any proof that any aas taken by itself will transform a person from average to "ripped". You simply cannot take a steroid such as wintrol in this case, not do cardio and eat like shit, but still get ripped.

Your points are valid, but to what extent? IMO, the effectiveness of any aas to burn body fat is very minimal. They can have the effect of hardening the muscle while reducing water which would give the appearance of the ripped look. However, if you weren't at that "ripped" point already, they aren't going to burn enough fat to get you there.

Well, you're never going to find a study (proof) regarding how significantly (if at all) AAS will reduce fat...at least not in this lifetime! And as with anything, it varies from person to person, situation to situation... there are people that even the strongest thermogenics barely work for...

 

[mkazzbmf]

Steroids CAUSE fat burning.....But NOTHING burns fat except for a camp fire or your backyard grill. So called FAT burner supps dont even burn fat.......The elevation in body temp expends more calories.....If the argument is do steroids promote fat loss? Then Yes.


Kaz

 

[Sassy69]

Steroids CAUSE fat burning.....But NOTHING burns fat except for a camp fire or your backyard grill. So called FAT burner supps dont even burn fat.......The elevation in body temp expends more calories.....If the argument is do steroids promote fat loss? Then Yes.


Kaz

This is probably the #1 thing that makes women poke around in the steroid world - they were complaining about being fat and their boyfriend said "Just run some winny - it will rip you up."

But somewhere in there they only focus on the fat burnign like its the magic bullet - completely disregard the impact of hormone manipulation, virilization, water bloat, getting bulky and all that because they refuse to spend time optimizing their diet & training.

For that one reason I wish that it could be scientifically proven that AAS does NOT increase fat burning.

 

[DBBT]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

word life...
no steroid directly burns fat. Take as much winny, var, eq, tren as you want and keep eating #5 medium/large sized meals and you'll notice only one thing. You'll get stronger. Bodyfat reduction can happen either with calorie reduction from diet and/or cardio calorie burning, and both ending you up with a expenditure of calories burnt vs. consumed will loose fat.

 

[mhcbenz]

Did you read my post above yours before you posted this?

oops!..i was reading the 1st page when i wrote this post...guess i should've read further..sorry

 

[mhcbenz]

do you think that maybe you are mistaking water loss for fat loss?

that's what I was told,..but I went to check the progress (on my bf,lean-muscle, etc.) and my bf was down almost 2.4%. please don't get me wrong, i don't eat super clean, but i don't junk out either. i just make sure i gets my protein,..i'm gonna starrt watching my carbs and fat so that i can see better progress. i hope i haven't defeated the purpose of ur post,however, I do agree that steroids alone, will not promote fat loss w/o the right train'g, diet, and adequate recovery. great post everyone!!

 

[BigWHEEL]

tell ur boy to do some research b4 he runs his mouth....i bet he feels stupid now

 

[busamuscle]

Well, AAS that are more androgenic will promote lypolyis (fat lost)....consider AAS such as proviron or masteron.... they're low on the anabolic scale but pretty high on the androgenic scale - they bind very well to AR's

Androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells, and while they act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, they also act directly on the AR in fat cells to affect fat burning. The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue. And if you add, for example, testosterone to the mix, it increases the number of AR's in muscle and fat

This is 100% correct and if anyone wants they can do a search on my name and find the research I posted supporting this!!

 

[Tweakle]

I'd think most roids actually promote fat gain through aromatization & indirectly though the pigouts most people go on because some dork online told them they would gain 30lbs in a cycle... gotta eat to make that weight!

each lb of muscle put on actually burns very very cals, I forget the number but it's supposedly 5-10 more at most.

some people are just naturally lean and wont get as fat when 'on', thats all

 

[busamuscle]

I'd think most roids actually promote fat gain through aromatization & indirectly though the pigouts most people go on because some dork online told them they would gain 30lbs in a cycle... gotta eat to make that weight!

each lb of muscle put on actually burns very very cals, I forget the number but it's supposedly 5-10 more at most.

some people are just naturally lean and wont get as fat when 'on', thats all

This can be avoided with AI's or the use of non-aromatizing AAS.

 

[RADAR]

good posts sword and nj

I understand what you guys are saying and I'm not arguing that. As I stated in the post, I'm looking for is proof that aas will significantly reduce body fat as a thermogenic would. I've been looking everywhere and I cannot find any proof that any aas taken by itself will transform a person from average to "ripped". You simply cannot take a steroid such as wintrol in this case, not do cardio and eat like shit, but still get ripped.

Your points are valid, but to what extent? IMO, the effectiveness of any aas to burn body fat is very minimal. They can have the effect of hardening the muscle while reducing water which would give the appearance of the ripped look. However, if you weren't at that "ripped" point already, they aren't going to burn enough fat to get you there.

Run Tren Ace at 100mgs 3 time a week ,decide for yourself after 6-8 weeks!


RADAR

 

[DBBT]

Run Tren Ace at 100mgs 3 time a week ,decide for yourself after 6-8 weeks!


RADAR

and no particular diet???

 

[Apexx]

Run Tren Ace at 100mgs 3 time a week ,decide for yourself after 6-8 weeks!


RADAR

I'm no stranger to tren bro. I've ran more then that for 6 weeks. I do notice a cutting effect but I personally attribute that to water loss from the crazy ass sweating that I do.

I did say to my boy that tren has been speculated to act as a legitimate thermogenic in some people.

 

[Prizz]

I'm no stranger to tren bro. I've ran more then that for 6 weeks. I do notice a cutting effect but I personally attribute that to water loss from the crazy ass sweating that I do.

I did say to my boy that tren has been speculated to act as a legitimate thermogenic in some people.

Yeah, I gotta chime in on this too..... Tren does seem to help burn fat from just using it so many times.... I have no science to back it up, but that's what I've seen from personal use..... It's also well known in the Cattle Ranching world that Finaplix will lean the cattle out before slaughter..... Supposedly, that is why the Estrogen component was added later down the line, to keep some fat, and water retention..... More weight, equals more money when it comes to cows..... Does Tren have a Thermogenic effect? I think most of us would agree it does from personal use, but we have nothing to back it up..... Maybe there will be a study done on it some day....

rizz

 

[Bruce]

so night sweats are causing you to lose water weight. fine you haven't proved tren is a fat burner. you are probably training hard and taking in lots of water. your bp is raised on all aas so you sweat a lot and everyone knows especially on tren. when apexx and i say fat burner we mean a compound you take that specifically burns fat. it doesn't help build lean mass it burns fat. two separate entities. its like saying that xanax is a sleeping pill. yes xanax will help you sleep or make you drowsy, but its an anti anxiety pil. you can't just label things like that or people use them for the wrong thing. i'll tell you what post pics, run tren for 6 weeks with just 30 mins of cardio no weight lifting then post pics. do the same thing with a fat burner stack taking pics before and after i'll gaurantee the fat burner makes a much more drastic change.

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

 

[busamuscle]

Here they are and there are plenty more out there!

http://www.pumpedmag.com/articles/fall05/06text.htm
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/en.2004-1649v1.pdf
http://journals.endocrinology.org/joe/160/0425/1600425.pdf

 

[mhcbenz]

tell ur boy to do some research b4 he runs his mouth....i bet he feels stupid now

Are u talking about Apexx's uneducated friend,.. or are you referring to my question?

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Almost every study ever conducted on AAS has shown a reduction in fat.

 

[busamuscle]

Almost every study ever conducted on AAS has shown a reduction in fat.

It took you long enough hooker .Put up some more studies to support this if you have them.I posted three good ones so far.Thanks!!

 

[mhcbenz]

so night sweats are causing you to lose water weight. fine you haven't proved tren is a fat burner. you are probably training hard and taking in lots of water. your bp is raised on all aas so you sweat a lot and everyone knows especially on tren. when apexx and i say fat burner we mean a compound you take that specifically burns fat. it doesn't help build lean mass it burns fat. two separate entities. its like saying that xanax is a sleeping pill. yes xanax will help you sleep or make you drowsy, but its an anti anxiety pil. you can't just label things like that or people use them for the wrong thing. i'll tell you what post pics, run tren for 6 weeks with just 30 mins of cardio no weight lifting then post pics. do the same thing with a fat burner stack taking pics before and after i'll gaurantee the fat burner makes a much more drastic change.

i think ur missing my point, i'm sayin ALONG w/ my training,..diet, and recovery..TREN, and my TEST are AIDING in gaining lean muscle, and contributing 2 my fat loss. (along w/ water loss..lol!) u can't just take the gear alone w/ no training and get ripped. Most people know that!!....However,..u have 2 take ur gear,..train ur ass off,.. eat,.. and allow ur body adequate rest 4 recovery,...THEN,.. the "magic" happens...
( lean musclegain, water loss, fat loss)

p.s.-from ur avatar it looks as if fat loss has never been a prob( lol!) i wish i had ur genetics at the mid-section...must be nice bro!

 

[JudoinKC]

Steroids by themselves don't make you gain muscle mass it's what you do while taking steroids that make you gain muscle so if you raise the amount of cardio I'm sure your amount of fat burning would raise too while on steroids.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Steroids by themselves don't make you gain muscle mass it's what you do while taking steroids that make you gain muscle so if you raise the amount of cardio I'm sure your amount of fat burning would raise too while on steroids.

exactly! To say what Anthony Roberts said, without going into more detail as to what training and dieting conditions were in all those cases in which fat-loss was experienced, means virtually nothing... AAS is gonna make you train harder and presumably ramp up cardio... so yah, of course you're gonna burn more fat!