Do steroids burn fat???

[mhcbenz]

i heard they work best with nacho cheese dorito's and koo-aid (the red kind)

..ROTFLMAO!! ok,..seriously ur not helping...but that was some funny shit bro!!

 

[mhcbenz]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

 

[tiggerizme]

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

Did you read my post above yours before you posted this?

 

[njmuscleguy]

It would seem another factor that you can't exclude is the recovery factor -- you can train harder (burn more) because you are able to recover more quickly on AAS.

great point, Sassy!

 

[Apexx]

ok i'm confused??? i've been on tren(fina) 100mdED, and 500mg test cyp for almost 4 weeks,..still trainin hard,..i'm wakin up in a pool of sweat EVERY morning,eating alot more calories(and not always quality cal.), but i've dropped 2 waist sizes, and my mid section is shedding fat?? and believe me, I do not diet! Is it possible that the tren is raising my core temp at night(like having a fever) and burning calories to repair my body like a sickness,.. which could explain the fat loss?? helllllllp meeeeee???

do you think that maybe you are mistaking water loss for fat loss?

 

[swordfish151]

apexx i have argued with so many fucking guys on here who think tren is a fat burner or var is or winny because of some stupid reason they try to scientifcally explain. they do not burn fat

This is an interesting read I found on the subject matter :

While reading this article keep in mind that Tren (trenbolone finaplix) binds to the androgen receptor incredibly well

The Androgen Receptor

There are many mechanisms behind the ability of androgens to reduce body fat. However, one key determinant of the amount of adipose tissue reduced is that particular androgen's ability to bind to the AR.

I need to mention that most androgens interact with both AR and GR (Glucocorticoid Receptors). We'll touch on that later. For now, let me explain why it matters how well an androgen binds to the AR in terms of reducing adipose tissue. Most of you know that ARs are present in tissue such as muscle. This is one of the mechanisms behind their ability to induce muscular hypertrophy. Now what does this have to do with body fat? Simple, AR's are present in adipose tissue as well. (1)

What does this mean? Well, it's been shown that the higher the density of ARs, the more that lipid uptake is inhibited. (2) It's also been shown that androgens that bind avidly to the AR cause an increase or upregulation of AR in adipocytes. (1) I think the greater the androgen binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in adipocytes occurs. This would lead to a significant reduction in subcutaneous adipose tissue. (3)

Notice that I specifically mentioned subcutaneous adipose tissue (fat right beneath the skin) and not visceral adipose tissue (fat around the internal organs). Why did I bother to differentiate between the two? Simple. For the most part, we bodybuilders are concerned only with subcutaneous adipose tissue. Visceral fat doesn't have much of an effect on a person's appearance. For that reason, we're only concerning ourselves with subcutaneous adipose tissue.

Now, what other mechanisms of action can account for the effects seen with those steroids that bind tightly to the AR? Well, those that bind tightly to the AR will decrease LPL (Lipoprotein Lipase), which is an enzyme that causes lipid accumulation. (4) They may also decrease Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase and Fatty Acid Synthetase.(5)

Another interesting note is that androgens have been shown to increase adenyl cylclase as well. This is the enzyme which is responsible for the conversion of cytoplasmic ATP into cyclic AMP. Increasing its concentrations is a good thing, in other words.

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[drrman]

there have been some proven studies that tren will burn fat through some mechanism i cannot recall

 

[njmuscleguy]

This is an interesting read I found on the subject matter :

While reading this article keep in mind that Tren (trenbolone finaplix) binds to the androgen receptor incredibly well

The Androgen Receptor

There are many mechanisms behind the ability of androgens to reduce body fat. However, one key determinant of the amount of adipose tissue reduced is that particular androgen's ability to bind to the AR.

I need to mention that most androgens interact with both AR and GR (Glucocorticoid Receptors). We'll touch on that later. For now, let me explain why it matters how well an androgen binds to the AR in terms of reducing adipose tissue. Most of you know that ARs are present in tissue such as muscle. This is one of the mechanisms behind their ability to induce muscular hypertrophy. Now what does this have to do with body fat? Simple, AR's are present in adipose tissue as well. (1)

What does this mean? Well, it's been shown that the higher the density of ARs, the more that lipid uptake is inhibited. (2) It's also been shown that androgens that bind avidly to the AR cause an increase or upregulation of AR in adipocytes. (1) I think the greater the androgen binds to the AR, the more upregulation of AR in adipocytes occurs. This would lead to a significant reduction in subcutaneous adipose tissue. (3)

Notice that I specifically mentioned subcutaneous adipose tissue (fat right beneath the skin) and not visceral adipose tissue (fat around the internal organs). Why did I bother to differentiate between the two? Simple. For the most part, we bodybuilders are concerned only with subcutaneous adipose tissue. Visceral fat doesn't have much of an effect on a person's appearance. For that reason, we're only concerning ourselves with subcutaneous adipose tissue.

Now, what other mechanisms of action can account for the effects seen with those steroids that bind tightly to the AR? Well, those that bind tightly to the AR will decrease LPL (Lipoprotein Lipase), which is an enzyme that causes lipid accumulation. (4) They may also decrease Acetyl-CoA Carboxylase and Fatty Acid Synthetase.(5)

Another interesting note is that androgens have been shown to increase adenyl cylclase as well. This is the enzyme which is responsible for the conversion of cytoplasmic ATP into cyclic AMP. Increasing its concentrations is a good thing, in other words.

This is exactly what my earlier post was saying, though in a much more abridged and simplistic way Any AAS that bind strongly to AR's in fat cells will promote lypolysis... that's why substances like tren, proviron, and masteron are sometimes thought of as "fat-burning" (again, provided that diet is in check!)

 

[Apexx]

good posts sword and nj

I understand what you guys are saying and I'm not arguing that. As I stated in the post, I'm looking for is proof that aas will significantly reduce body fat as a thermogenic would. I've been looking everywhere and I cannot find any proof that any aas taken by itself will transform a person from average to "ripped". You simply cannot take a steroid such as wintrol in this case, not do cardio and eat like shit, but still get ripped.

Your points are valid, but to what extent? IMO, the effectiveness of any aas to burn body fat is very minimal. They can have the effect of hardening the muscle while reducing water which would give the appearance of the ripped look. However, if you weren't at that "ripped" point already, they aren't going to burn enough fat to get you there.

 

[njmuscleguy]

good posts sword and nj

I understand what you guys are saying and I'm not arguing that. As I stated in the post, I'm looking for is proof that aas will significantly reduce body fat as a thermogenic would. I've been looking everywhere and I cannot find any proof that any aas taken by itself will transform a person from average to "ripped". You simply cannot take a steroid such as wintrol in this case, not do cardio and eat like shit, but still get ripped.

Your points are valid, but to what extent? IMO, the effectiveness of any aas to burn body fat is very minimal. They can have the effect of hardening the muscle while reducing water which would give the appearance of the ripped look. However, if you weren't at that "ripped" point already, they aren't going to burn enough fat to get you there.

Well, you're never going to find a study (proof) regarding how significantly (if at all) AAS will reduce fat...at least not in this lifetime! And as with anything, it varies from person to person, situation to situation... there are people that even the strongest thermogenics barely work for...