Djeclipse's Intermediate 5x5 take 2.

[xblitz44x]

Why so many eggs? That sould b roughly 40g of protien and 600 cals (total) if I were to eat 5 egg whites and 1 whole egg. Isn't that a little too much for "cutting"?

As long as you're creating a defecit in calories, you're fine. If, after a full day's diet, you're over your maintence (or close), then you'll have to work on knocking some things off of each meal.

And not to laugh but I can actually sense how miserable and frustrated you are about the whole oats thing. heh. In my opinion, if you don't like them, don't eat them. Switch to wheat toast or something instead.

 

[Tweakle]

80-100gs carbs in a meal is a lot for cutting bro, depending on how carb sensitive you are.

I limit carbs to 50g's tops a meal, for breakfast try 80g's oatmeal and 2-3 scoops protien.. imo every meal should be 50gs minimum protien

 

[Cynical Simian]

If you're going to have a lot of carbs in a meal, breakfast is the best time for it, but that's quite a bit relative to the amount of protein and given where you need to be in terms of total calories. Also, to make it clear, this is what I meant by oat bran, not some junk you'd find next to the raisin bran. The only ingredient should be 'oat bran'.

Basically, DJ, the problem is still that you're getting a ton of your calories from sugar (even if it's in fruit/honey), which, especially on a calorie-restricted diet, you can't afford to do.

 

[djeclipse]

This is the oat bran I bought, it seems to be just oar bran...

http://www.quakeroatmeal.com/Products/HOT/HOT-OatBran.cfm

Quaker Oat Bran Hot Cereal: made from a single ingredient, oat bran.

I think I will just smash my head against the wall and when I wake up form my coma 4 month's later I will have lost 20lbs and be a skinny POS, then I can start over.

Thank you all for being patient with me though this mess.

Getting down to 50g or so of carbs per meal looks like it's going to be hard.

For breakfast what should I drop? I can drop the apple and that will get me down to 65 carbs for that meal. For now the honey and oats/oat bran have to go together, maybe in time I will grow to like the without the honey but for now I need it to eat them.

Or should I drop the whole wheat bread in the morning, instead of the apple, or both?

EDIT:

New Breakfast =
1 cup skim milk
6 egg whites (hard boiled) I think I will go buy the egg whites in a container you guys were talking about.
1 whole egg (hard boiled)
1/3 cup oat bran or oats
1 table spon honey

429cals
7g fat
50g carbs
40g protien

Is that better?

 

[BiggT]

I think that looks good, but the honey still should go, lol.....seriously, if you're not trying to get "ripped", but rather tighten up, lose the gut, and improve your body comp, you don't have to get crazy, just cut out shit, and replace it with protein......honestly, I have never counted anything in my life with my diet, I kind of just have a sense of what I need and what I don't need when I am trying to lose weight, this is by no means the best method, I just never had an interest in nutrition science beyond the basic level of what is useful and what is crap.....white sugar is your worst enemy though......and I'm STILL in disbelief about those bastards at Quaker with their weight control oatmeal. How the hell are most people checking a label for sugar ever going to know the kind of stunt they pulled, lol.

 

[Guinness5.0]

If you must have a natural sweetener, honey is the way to go - it is lower on the GI scale than most. Also, you can buy Splenda by the bag nowadays, and that stuff tastes quite good.

 

[Tweakle]

Getting down to 50g or so of carbs per meal looks like it's going to be hard.

x 6 = 300g's carbs, which the USDA suggests as a fine amount for a sedentary, 25%+ bf couch slob to 'stay healthy' on. I would suggest otherwise... 150g's a day is the maximum I would personally have at 225-230 (all taken in the first 3 meals, with an extra 100gs immediately after a workout on WO days)

cutting carbs will have the most dramatic effect on weight loss, and if you can handle going into a full blown CKD the losses should be even greater, but you will lose some strength no two ways about it.

bigT is right about the moderate approach tho, if you're not looking to get sub 12% you don't have to go too crazy... it'll take longer and the results won't be as noticable but you shouldn't lose as much strength

 

[djeclipse]

I think that looks good, but the honey still should go, lol.....seriously, if you're not trying to get "ripped", but rather tighten up, lose the gut, and improve your body comp, you don't have to get crazy, just cut out shit, and replace it with protein......honestly, I have never counted anything in my life with my diet, I kind of just have a sense of what I need and what I don't need when I am trying to lose weight, this is by no means the best method, I just never had an interest in nutrition science beyond the basic level of what is useful and what is crap.....white sugar is your worst enemy though......and I'm STILL in disbelief about those bastards at Quaker with their weight control oatmeal. How the hell are most people checking a label for sugar ever going to know the kind of stunt they pulled, lol.

If I could loose the honey it would get rid of 16g of carbs and 65 calories x2 a day. Maybe I will try and find that spelnda Guinness5.0 was talking about.

Finally I have breakfast worked out, meal 2 and lunch seems to be ok.

Now for meal 4.

How about
1/3 cup oats (with honey possibly splenda in the near future)
1/3 cup almonds
Protein shake (as everyone said it was lacking protein).

557cal
27g fat
47g carbs (29 if I could loose the honey)
37g protein


Then one apple 30min before I hit the gym.

Including the post work out shake that would be 3 shakes per day and I know it's not recommended to have any more then that.

On a side note I found a decent tasting protein shake that tastes good when mixed with only water.

http://www.supplementscanada.com/popeyes/product461.html

EDIT: I also realized that the frutopia I have been drinking at lunch (to replace the can of pop) has a shitload of calories, sugar carbs etc. I think I will drop that and stick with water all day.

Except for the gatorade I usually sip during my workout.

 

[djeclipse]

x 6 = 300g's carbs, which the USDA suggests as a fine amount for a sedentary, 25%+ bf couch slob to 'stay healthy' on. I would suggest otherwise... 150g's a day is the maximum I would personally have at 225-230 (all taken in the first 3 meals, with an extra 100gs immediately after a workout on WO days)

cutting carbs will have the most dramatic effect on weight loss, and if you can handle going into a full blown CKD the losses should be even greater, but you will lose some strength no two ways about it.

bigT is right about the moderate approach tho, if you're not looking to get sub 12% you don't have to go too crazy... it'll take longer and the results won't be as noticable but you shouldn't lose as much strength

How can you possibly get down to under 300g of carbs a day, just about everything you eat has carbs in it. Do you have your typical cutting diet posted somewhere, is it in your journal? EDIT: I found your journal and see that you do not.

For now I am going to take it slow, get use to this complete change of eating and try to develop some good habits. I don't want to loos much strength as there's not much to loose. Maybe after I get use to eating like this I can try and cut out more carbs. For now I will try for 300 or under g's of carbs a day.

One thing is I am getting way more protein then I was before. the thing is I made some reasonable gains on the 5x5, even with the lack of protein and absolute crap I was eating. I wonder if my gains could have been even better if I was at least eating enough protein.

For breakfast I went out and got an egg white product called simply egg whites (canadian made).
Also thanks to Guinness and the suggestion of splenda I am able to get rid of the honey completely and get the carbs down to 34g.

And I finally found large oats, not the quick cook oats i had before.

 

[djeclipse]

And since this is a training journal, not an "I don’t like to eat oats" journal... believe it or not I actually went to the gym.

Week 1 Day 2 (wed)

Squat
110 x 5
135 x 5
160 x 5
160 x 5

Standing overhead press
80 x 5
95 x 5
110 x 5
125 x 5

Deads
210 x 5
250 x 5
290 x 5
335 x 5

Chins
3 sets of 6

Sit ups Decline
40 x 15
40 x 15
40 x 15
40 x 15

One set of hypers, no weight, just because i missed them on monday.

My grip for deads is horrible. As son as I lift the bar rolls in my hand and I am only gripping with my fingers. I think I may add in some grip work on the weekends or something. I would like to do all my dead lift sets with regular grip.