Thanks for the tips jester, only one thing, you stated previously that you have never experienced college ball, hmmm guess what? i'm the one on the football team. As stated earlier in the thread, a trainer/athelete "freindship" can be very beneficial to the evasion of drug testing. lets just say, i've covered all the bases, but is that info necessary to get the info i'm looking for? no... but you pushed. I'm not about to put my coaches/trainer in the line of fire on some internet post. you must really think i'm in the SEC too huh? well, i didn't get into college by overlooking specific details like covering my tracks. anywho, i'm real proud of your extensive knowledge concerning AS and this site, you must have great... computer skills. however, it seems to me that your stacks are subpar, considering you are about the same size as my lil bro. good luck with the awesome breadth of knowledge... next time just leave the football to the big boys. thanks pal!