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Dieselgoku23

Dieselgoku23

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Okay this what I'm currently running so I dont know
1-4 M1T 40mg
1-12 Test Ena 700 a week, week 5 bump to 1gram a week
1-12 EQ
Liquidex .5 eod

I think I might a mistake by kick starting my cycle with M1T I think it has actually saturaded my receptors, first 4 weeks gained total of 14lbs now going on week 6 and Test E have not kicked in yet or the EQ I have actually lost 4lbs strength still going up though, it might be due to my lean diet that I'm dieting yet gaining muscle a the same time who knows. Tomm going to train chest and tris out see if I have gain more strength. This is my very first cycle started at 235lbs went up to 249lbs after stopped taking m1T went down to 245 now so dont know what is going on, any of you bros got any opinions?
 
Your first cycle and you're gonna be using a gram of Test??? Anyway, not gonna preach about that...............Let's get to your gains.
You say you experienced weight gains the first few weeks and now you only notice your strength going up? What's wrong with that? You do know that a stronger muscle will be able to lift more weight and do more sets, probably recover faster; all the elements needed for muscle growth, given the proper nutrition and rest. Start busting your ass in the gym and don't look for a miracle to happen on your first cycle.

Also being at a bodyweight around 245, I'm going to guess you have a fair amount of body fat. The drugs your taking will help you lose some of that fat and get you leaner. So it's safe to say you might not see the bodyweight gain of somebody who is 190lbs and 7%fat on their first cycle. If my guess about your body type is correct, I think you would be better off with the stength gains vs. bodyweight gains right now.
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Okay this what I'm currently running so I dont know
1-4 M1T 40mg
1-12 Test Ena 700 a week, week 5 bump to 1gram a week
1-12 EQ
Liquidex .5 eod

I think I might a mistake by kick starting my cycle with M1T I think it has actually saturaded my receptors, first 4 weeks gained total of 14lbs now going on week 6 and Test E have not kicked in yet or the EQ I have actually lost 4lbs strength still going up though, it might be due to my lean diet that I'm dieting yet gaining muscle a the same time who knows. Tomm going to train chest and tris out see if I have gain more strength. This is my very first cycle started at 235lbs went up to 249lbs after stopped taking m1T went down to 245 now so dont know what is going on, any of you bros got any opinions?
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If you want to gain weight you should not be trying to conserve on the calorie intake.

How many cycles have you done?????
 
Well I started 235lbs with 13% body have good amount of muscles I mean before cycle I was benching 315lbs for 6 reps now doing it for 12 reps, You suggest 1 gram is a lot for 1st cycle but yet I'm no newbie to training or weight lifting I have pretty much gained awesome size with out AAS, Now for being 1gram I'm doing that mainly because of my weight some people might see this a lot but if your 180lbs or 190lbs might sound a lot at my weight I think is optimal and I agree with you I think for now strength gains are better off then weight thanx brother, but I really think M1T saturated my receptors!!
growthspurt said:
Your first cycle and you're gonna be using a gram of Test??? Anyway, not gonna preach about that...............Let's get to your gains.
You say you experienced weight gains the first few weeks and now you only notice your strength going up? What's wrong with that? You do know that a stronger muscle will be able to lift more weight and do more sets, probably recover faster; all the elements needed for muscle growth, given the proper nutrition and rest. Start busting your ass in the gym and don't look for a miracle to happen on your first cycle.

Also being at a bodyweight around 245, I'm going to guess you have a fair amount of body fat. The drugs your taking will help you lose some of that fat and get you leaner. So it's safe to say you might not see the bodyweight gain of somebody who is 190lbs and 7%fat on their first cycle. If my guess about your body type is correct, I think you would be better off with the stength gains vs. bodyweight gains right now.
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Dieselgoku23 said:
My very first!
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If you can't grow on 500mg week then you shouldn't be doing any.

That would have been plenty for a first cycle.


I don't think you have any idea what you're doing.

RADAR
 
Bro if you gained 14lbs in 4 weeks on M1T, some of that was water weight. When you stopped it, you lost that water weight, that's all. Now your strength is still going up, so you didn't lose any actual muscle. Just keep calories high and clean, and you should continue to add muscle and the scale will go up again.
 
How's the diet? Diet usually dictates results, not more and more and more AAS.

What exactly are your goals? Strength/size of leaning out?

You need to pick a weight training routine AND diet to fit ONE of these goals - and not try to do both at once. DOing both at once will likely end in lackluster results.
 
RADAR said:
If you can't grow on 500mg week then you shouldn't be doing any.

That would have been plenty for a first cycle.


I don't think you have any idea what you're doing.

RADAR
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i have been using on/off for 5yrs and i have never went over 500mgs of test, how much research did you do before you jumped into the deep end?
 
lol this is funny I like Elite and all seen a lot of people know what whats up in here!!!, I post same thread and other boards and didnt get not even one negative response all encouragement just want to see some of the elite peeps had to say and get more insight into this. Now far some of the experts in here, This is my very first cycle and with out ever doing any AAS I look far bigger then a lot of you bros no offense. I have been training for about 10 years before cycle 235lbs 13%bf. Decided to run this cycle as I think I stopped my genetic pontential now even if is the first cycle I dont see a big deal running 1gram of test E remember I'm not 160lbs training for maybe 3 years and think they cant grow any bigger so they resource to AAS. I think for my body weight 1gram is optimal!!!. Any how thanx from the response from some of you I just let it run its course like some of you said as long gaining strength I know its working and also gotten faster running! thanx bros!
 
RADAR said:
If you can't grow on 500mg week then you shouldn't be doing any.

That would have been plenty for a first cycle.


I don't think you have any idea what you're doing.

RADAR
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shouldnt stack for ur first cycle, that way u know y ur cycle didnt work and u dont waste ur money. not gonna flame u though, shit happens bro, stick around here and ask for help. goodluck
 
Daisy this is what I eat pretty much every day!!
Breakfast 5 egg whites, 1 whole eg, bowl of weed shreds and milk!
Mid lunch: Gatorade with 2 scoops of protein powder about 46 grams of protein
Lunch:10 oz of chicken breast, brown rice, rice and beens and vegies
after lunch: Protein shake with milk about 50g of protein
dinner: can of Tuna with brown rice
later dinner: lean sirloin steak or chicken breast, with wheat bread
middle of the night: another protein shake about 50g of protein

Just doing a normal bulking!!! but also not going to eat cheese burguers everyday or junk food because I need the calories




Daisy_Girl said:
How's the diet? Diet usually dictates results, not more and more and more AAS.

What exactly are your goals? Strength/size of leaning out?

You need to pick a weight training routine AND diet to fit ONE of these goals - and not try to do both at once. DOing both at once will likely end in lackluster results.
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Your size and prowess in the weight room as *absolutely* nothing to do with how you should structure your first cycle. And as far as your body weight goes... ever wonder why cycles aren't dosed BY bodyweight? It's because the biological variation from person to person in their response to gear is so great that the variation in body weight really isn't even a significant factor.
 
RADAR said:
If you can't grow on 500mg week then you shouldn't be doing any.
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RADAR is spot-on correct, nugga!

@ BabyGokuPet......listen to me very carefully.

IF YOU CAN'T GROW ON 500MG TEST EW FOR YOUR FIRST CYCLE, YOU ARE SERIOUSLY FUCKING UP THE ROTATION...........nugga!

Either you diet is fucked or your training is shit........because EVEN if you have lousy genetics you will grow some on a first cycle of Test.

That's real..........





DIV

:chomp:
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Okay this what I'm currently running so I dont know
1-4 M1T 40mg
1-12 Test Ena 700 a week, week 5 bump to 1gram a week
1-12 EQ
Liquidex .5 eod

I think I might a mistake by kick starting my cycle with M1T I think it has actually saturaded my receptors, first 4 weeks gained total of 14lbs now going on week 6 and Test E have not kicked in yet or the EQ I have actually lost 4lbs strength still going up though, it might be due to my lean diet that I'm dieting yet gaining muscle a the same time who knows. Tomm going to train chest and tris out see if I have gain more strength. This is my very first cycle started at 235lbs went up to 249lbs after stopped taking m1T went down to 245 now so dont know what is going on, any of you bros got any opinions?
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Shit that's alot for a first
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
lol this is funny I like Elite and all seen a lot of people know what whats up in here!!!, I post same thread and other boards and didnt get not even one negative response all encouragement just want to see some of the elite peeps had to say and get more insight into this. Now far some of the experts in here, This is my very first cycle and with out ever doing any AAS I look far bigger then a lot of you bros no offense. I have been training for about 10 years before cycle 235lbs 13%bf. Decided to run this cycle as I think I stopped my genetic pontential now even if is the first cycle I dont see a big deal running 1gram of test E remember I'm not 160lbs training for maybe 3 years and think they cant grow any bigger so they resource to AAS. I think for my body weight 1gram is optimal!!!. Any how thanx from the response from some of you I just let it run its course like some of you said as long gaining strength I know its working and also gotten faster running! thanx bros!
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Sorry Dude your not even close to my size..try again.

Besides my first cycle was test @ 500mg and i was pleased with the results, i'll say it again,you're doing something wrong.
I've been training when you were in diapers.

RADAR
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
This is my very first cycle and with out ever doing any AAS I look far bigger then a lot of you bros no offense.
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That's the most ignorant statment I've ever heard on this forum! :rolleyes:

Do you realize who you're talking to? Who all these "bros" are?

RADAR is a huge muthatfucka.......He's a nice guy, but not really the type you'd wanna pick a fight with......

Looking "far bigger" has nothing to do with it......seems you let your ego talk for you on this post, GokuPet.....




DIV

:chomp:
 
3 compounds + 1 gram of test/week for a first cycle???

Then guys like you are being interviewed with agression problems, suicidal tendencies, health issues, etc. It doesn't care if you are an expert lifting weights. It doesn't care how many years you have going to a gym. Steroids is what takes you to the next level after you have reached your natural point. It doesn't care also if you got 235 pounds naturally. 500mg of test enanthate for example is good enough for a first cycle. That will take you to your next level in strenght and size and will teach you to listen your body. How you react. How is your response and what side effects you are seeing. Building that base you can plan your second solid cycle. You should have special care with your diet. Keep increasing slowly your calorie intake. No more than 500 calories per week. Remember if you started at 235 and after 6 weeks you are 250, you have to eat now for a 250 mofo. If you keep eatin' for a 235, your gains theorically will stop. You have a lot to read and learn dude...remember you are tryin' to make a sculpture with your own body. This is not a piece of rock that you could throw away and get another one.
 
Goku - mrplunkey is on track - different people respond very differently to any AND ALL AS!!! I think you can sit on these forum sites order up books and soak up all the fuckin info you want, and bottom line is this:

ten meatheads (myself included) will tell you how delicious deca/dbol/enanthate is for ten weeks in dec., but you may respond so differently to any or all of these, you will really never know what AS
 
Goku - mrplunkey is on track - different people respond very differently to any AND ALL AS!!! I think you can sit on these forum sites order up books and soak up all the fuckin info you want, and bottom line is this:

ten meatheads (myself included) will tell you how delicious deca/dbol/enanthate is for ten weeks in dec., but you may respond so differently to any or all of these, you will really never know what AS works good/bad or the dosing - UNTIL YOU TRY yourself. One of my pahtnahs back in the day said no way over a gram of test/wekk. He said no way over 2cc per shot. He said A-bombs were gonna kill me. \\


WRONG X 3. You guys were kinda hard on this guy. Just my opinion.
 
HOG said:
Goku - mrplunkey is on track - different people respond very differently to any AND ALL AS!!! I think you can sit on these forum sites order up books and soak up all the fuckin info you want, and bottom line is this:

ten meatheads (myself included) will tell you how delicious deca/dbol/enanthate is for ten weeks in dec., but you may respond so differently to any or all of these, you will really never know what AS works good/bad or the dosing - UNTIL YOU TRY yourself. One of my pahtnahs back in the day said no way over a gram of test/wekk. He said no way over 2cc per shot. He said A-bombs were gonna kill me. \\


WRONG X 3. You guys were kinda hard on this guy. Just my opinion.
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I disagree! No one need a gram of test first starting out----NO ONE!

RADAR
 
Sorry about the double post - but I am not recommending anything for starting out, 5th cycle, or suicidal kamikaze late thirties cycles.... I am simply saying everyone gets a different result, some radically different! Some people take 4 Tylenols for the headache, some get by with one. Some need Aleve or Aspirin - I'm saying he needs to experiment and find out.

On another note, Goku should probably not be too proud of those specs.... at 5' 10" 240 lbs 10%, I was a little Bitch at my old gym...
 
bro maybe ur loosing water, you should have run eq for atleast 14 weeks, eq works better with poeple with reallly low bodyfat and b12 is a nice addition at 3000mcg a week. honestly at week 6 the eq is just kicking in.
Are all ur products real?
Also it really may be ur diet, make sure ur getting atleast 4000 cals, 5000 will be the ideal
 
HOG said:
Sorry about the double post - but I am not recommending anything for starting out, 5th cycle, or suicidal kamikaze late thirties cycles.... I am simply saying everyone gets a different result, some radically different! Some people take 4 Tylenols for the headache, some get by with one. Some need Aleve or Aspirin - I'm saying he needs to experiment and find out.

On another note, Goku should probably not be too proud of those specs.... at 5' 10" 240 lbs 10%, I was a little Bitch at my old gym...
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Hey got pics bro
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
first 4 weeks gained total of 14lbs
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I don't know what you expected but 14 pounds, assuming it's relatively solid, in 4 weeks is quite a bit of weight gain. What were your goals, exactly?
 
goku, no offense bro, but a can of tuna with rise for dinner and you're trying to gain muscle. I'm not being sarcastic or anything but that's even less then what i eat when on a diet bro. You should start eating LOADS more, test and eq aren't good at all if your calorie intake is not big

I'm pretty sure it's only your diet that's the weak link, don't be worried about gaining some fat during your cycle it will be visible on the scale but you won't see it!

eat big if you want to grow! and i think 1 gram of test is a little overkill (not meaning it's too much for you, i'm talking about the gyno issue. At 1 gram of test the gyno isn't always easy to control)

cheer up and good luck. Remember that you become what you eat!
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Okay this what I'm currently running so I dont know
1-4 M1T 40mg
1-12 Test Ena 700 a week, week 5 bump to 1gram a week
1-12 EQ
Liquidex .5 eod

I think I might a mistake by kick starting my cycle with M1T I think it has actually saturaded my receptors, first 4 weeks gained total of 14lbs now going on week 6 and Test E have not kicked in yet or the EQ I have actually lost 4lbs strength still going up though, it might be due to my lean diet that I'm dieting yet gaining muscle a the same time who knows. Tomm going to train chest and tris out see if I have gain more strength. This is my very first cycle started at 235lbs went up to 249lbs after stopped taking m1T went down to 245 now so dont know what is going on, any of you bros got any opinions?
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its very possible you`ve "burned" your little virgin receptors. gram a week??
first cycle?? wtf u trying to do to yourself? you think if u used gram ull grow shitload faster/more?? im not trying to flame here bro just even if u used 250mg test E/wk you could grow up to 15lbs EASY. your body produces ~70mg of test /wk and 250mg makes it almost 4x as that,and you are using a gram.
 
I'm 237 right now... not on anything. I can hit 315 on the INCLINE. Don't be fooled by the pictures my man.
Here is all I will say. I always tell people to use just test for their first cycle. You want to use one compound so you know how you respond to it. If you use two or more you will not know what does what... nor will you know if you are responding to both or just one. I think you are paying the price for that right now.
*As for your cycle... what was the EQ dose wk 1 - 12?
**I rarely reach a gram in total of all AAS.. that is just me though.
 
creepS said:
its very possible you`ve "burned" your little virgin receptors. gram a week??
first cycle?? wtf u trying to do to yourself? you think if u used gram ull grow shitload faster/more?? im not trying to flame here bro just even if u used 250mg test E/wk you could grow up to 15lbs EASY. your body produces ~70mg of test /wk and 250mg makes it almost 4x as that,and you are using a gram.
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Agreed........I think it's a case of fried receptors combined with bad training or diet.

The kid really jumped off a cliff here and I don't know if he can ever turn back...... :worried:




DIV

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Dieselgoku23 said:
lol this is funny I like Elite and all seen a lot of people know what whats up in here!!!, I post same thread and other boards and didnt get not even one negative response all encouragement just want to see some of the elite peeps had to say and get more insight into this. Now far some of the experts in here,
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I've been on EF for 18 months now and have browsed alot other boards. This one is the only one I bother reading anymore for one reason. The vets here have a genuine interest in helping anyone out who asks for it. If you're doing something stupid they're going to be straight up with you. This board doesn't have the cliques and small circles that alot of the other ones do, and the amount of information here dwarfs most other sites. I come here for honest opinions, but from your post it looks like you're just looking for someone to stroke your feelings.

If people are encouraging you for doing 1g / week for your first cycle, you should start looking elsewhere for advice. On my first cycle I did 500mg/wk of sustenon plus 30mg of dbol. If I could go back and do it again, I'd cut out the dbol and run test only. What you've done is made it harder for your body to grow. You've maxed your receptors and you've barely begun. I don't see how anyone could be "encouraging" in this case.

BTW - in comparison, I bench 315, weigh 200lbs, and haven't touched AAS or any prohormone in 14 months now. Don't be so quick to dismiss everyone else's opinion just because they don't jive with your preconceived notions.
 
stuck said:
You've maxed your receptors and you've barely begun. I don't see how anyone could be "encouraging" in this case.

Don't be so quick to dismiss everyone else's opinion just because they don't jive with your preconceived notions.
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True.

Good post.




DIV

:chomp:
 
10 lbs is a lot for 6 weeks....assuming you dropped four lbs of water

i rarely speak against high dosages nor do i ever recomend them....but in this case i think that 500mg would have been fine....body weight has minimal meaning when i comes to aas.....more so experiance of aas usage....some guys your size will 10-15lbs off 500mg test

the smartest thing to do, and it would have saved you money, would have been to do a lower dosage cycle to see where u stand. like a baseline....ajust from there and add or subtract dosages and compounds.....
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Okay this what I'm currently running so I dont know
1-4 M1T 40mg
1-12 Test Ena 700 a week, week 5 bump to 1gram a week
1-12 EQ
Liquidex .5 eod

I think I might a mistake by kick starting my cycle with M1T I think it has actually saturaded my receptors, first 4 weeks gained total of 14lbs now going on week 6 and Test E have not kicked in yet or the EQ I have actually lost 4lbs strength still going up though, it might be due to my lean diet that I'm dieting yet gaining muscle a the same time who knows. Tomm going to train chest and tris out see if I have gain more strength. This is my very first cycle started at 235lbs went up to 249lbs after stopped taking m1T went down to 245 now so dont know what is going on, any of you bros got any opinions?
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Yo you must really wanna be a super sayen!!!! That's way too much test and other gear for your first round out. Who are you to say what your body needs compared to others based on your size, and training. Did you get blood work done? It's all good bro, you just need to understand that you are putting way too much gear into your body. I feel the enanthate kick in around week 2 and for sure at week 3 and that's with 250mg a week, so you should be there by now at 700mg. What brands are you using? Why you using gear anyway if you look better then most of the guys here at elite. They need to come out with some gear for your head to make you smarter. You should take a gram of that!!!
 
FreakMonster said:
Maybe his shit is fake!!
Damn I feel the love in this joint lol!!!!!, Well I starting to belive my shit is fake!!! I think the first few lbs gains were because of M1T, my gear is UG and got good feed back from other mods in AnabolicBoard so who knows wish I can test this stuff, well I'm starting to eat more, today didnt get stronger in my bench did hit 405lbs once same as I did last week, I did get stronger doing triceps so I would just let it wrong its course, as far sides I dont have any, no bloat or gyno! then again if you see sides you know its working lol. Like I said I didnt mean no offense some dudes took it really hard but its all good, and yeah I would still run 1gram I see no biggie!! I doubt my receptors are fry after this cycle. I'm not planning to do anything till september or october so I should be fine for next cycle! next time though would pick up some Human Grade even if it cost more to be on the same safe side
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No offense, you should have studied more prior to loading your body full of this many androgens...hope it all works out...
 
RADAR said:
If you can't grow on 500mg week then you shouldn't be doing any.

That would have been plenty for a first cycle.


I don't think you have any idea what you're doing.

RADAR
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My thoughts exactly. I gained 17lbs solid on just 250mg of Sustenon/ week for 12 weeks my first time out when I was 18. I hardly knew anything.

Either your shit was/is fake or your just not training and eating at all.
 
toxicsambo said:
My thoughts exactly. I gained 17lbs solid on just 250mg of Sustenon/ week for 12 weeks my first time out when I was 18. I hardly knew anything.

Either your shit was/is fake or your just not training and eating at all.
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Well I'm training hard and eating starting to eat more I think it might be fake, who knows but I'm willing to send my stuff after I done would have something left over if someone is willing to test it or not!. Maybe I find someone in here willing to test it!
 
landser said:
Your eating about 270g protein at a bodyweight of 240lbs? Your diet is trash.
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The rule is what?? 1.2 grams of protein per lean body weight!!!, there is no way I can eat about 350grams or even 400grams, in all meals that would never fit my stomach
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
there is no way I can eat about 350grams or even 400grams, in all meals that would never fit my stomach
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Why not? I only weigh 205 and I can eat 400g protein from all solids no problem. Im sure a big guy like you can do it too. I think if you just ate more in general, you would gain more. You cant expect to gain without taking in the adequate calories. Dont throw your first cycle away, just because you think its too tough to eat. If you cant eat enough....dont cycle.
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
The rule is what?? 1.2 grams of protein per lean body weight!!!, there is no way I can eat about 350grams or even 400grams, in all meals that would never fit my stomach
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I throw down 70gram shakes 5 times a day... 350 grams right there! That doesn't even include regular meals...
 
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