Dianabol Advice

[Longfin]

I was planning on starting 40mg of Thai Dianabol everyday for 6 weeks, with 250ui HCG every three days. After the cycle I planned 50mg Clomiphene everyday for 4 weeks, plus 20mg Tamoxifen. Plus the usual supplements, you know. Some might consider the Clomiphene and HCG overkill but I've been advised by a friend that it is much better to use it than not. Since I already have it, why not. If you recommend against the above, and have good reason, let me know.

Moving on.... I have come across a few articles by Bill Roberts which suggests that when doing a Dianabol-Only cycle, it is best to use 50mg of Dianabol once in the morning rather than splitting the dose. If anyone has actually tried this, please let me know how you got on. I'm interested to know if this would be better than 5 x 10mg.

One of the articles says that 30mg per day is a small dosage, yet there are no benefits to going over 50mg. This has me thinking that maybe I should increase from 40mg to 50mg, but surely this might not be suitable for everyone? How do I know whats right for me, is it just a case of trial and error?

I already know people don't rate oral steroids, especially when they are used as a standalone. I already know the benefits of adding Testosterone E/C into the cycle. I know that a lot of the gains made will be in water weight. But, please try and stick to the question in hand, thanks!

 

[C0LUMB0]

What are your stats ?

 

[Arabian]

What are your stats ?

Longfin, we would be delighted to assist you however we need to know the following as Columbo stated:

Age
Your diet
How long you have been lifting
Diet
Body fat'
Your cycle history( how many if any cycles have you done.

Have a great day.

 

[Mornedn]

I would also be intrested to see what you guys think about longfin's question. I was also thinking of doing a d-bol only cycle

 

[Nelson Montana]

The first thing you need to understand is that Bill Roberts is an idiot.

And take it from there.

 

[Arabian]

I would also be intrested to see what you guys think about longfin's question. I was also thinking of doing a d-bol only cycle

Good morning Mornedn, I am not a big opponent of an oral only cycle however it can be done. I prefer to kickstart a 12 week injectable cycle with a 4 week 30 to 50 mgs per day dbol kickstart. Dbol is known for producing fast and dramatic gains rather quickly to get you started on a more complex cycle.

 

[Longfin]

The first thing you need to understand is that Bill Roberts is an idiot.

And take it from there.

I guess thats a matter of opinion unless you have a genuine reason to say this? Reading his articles he appears to have a lot of in-dept knowledge on the subject.

For those who are interested in my stats, here they are...
Age 25
Weight 180 lbs
Body fat 14%
Experience 3 Yrs+ & Turinabol

So, does anyone know the answrs to my questions?

 

[Mornedn]

Good morning Mornedn, I am not a big opponent of an oral only cycle however it can be done. I prefer to kickstart a 12 week injectable cycle with a 4 week 30 to 50 mgs per day dbol kickstart. Dbol is known for producing fast and dramatic gains rather quickly to get you started on a more complex cycle.

Thanks Arabian
Even if it's for my first ever cycle? and No, i'm not scared of pins.... just cautious, having read and studies all the sides for the past few months.

 

[Judo Tom]

40-50mg is too much for a first time dbol user
spread your dosages out if you are going to do 20-30mg
read up on some of the newer ways to run pct yours is old, outdated and less effective. research post cycle and unleashed

also you should have an anti e on hand something like formastanzol.

 

[squatzilla]

I've run 2 DBol only cycles. The 1st was 50mg day for 6 wks & a 9 mo later I ran 25 mg for 4 wks + 12.5 mg for 3 wks. With the 2nd DBol cycle I ran peptides. DBOL is great for strength, but it gave me slight headaches & a little bloat. If I were you, I'd keep the dose low. More isn't always better.

 

[Longfin]

40-50mg is too much for a first time dbol user

spread your dosages out if you are going to do 20-30mg
read up on some of the newer ways to run pct yours is old, outdated and less effective. research post cycle and unleashed

also you should have an anti e on hand something like formastanzol.

Tom, were you talking to me? If so, then I have already read many many articles on PCT, allbeit every single one was different, but then general opinion is that what I am doing is okay. I previously only used Tamoxifen for my Turinabol cycle but feel the recovery process could have been a little better. I also have many AI and AE on hand.

Yesterday I read over 30 articles from body builders who have run dianabol cycles and I am amazed how different the cycles are. Some people swear by splitting the dosage to keep so-called blood levels stable. But for every articles supporting this, there is another one contradicting it. Many people believe it is not possible to keep the blood levels stable even when splitting the dose. I can believe this because there is a period of 10 hours per day when I am sleeping that no dianabol is ingested. Many people believe it does not make a spot of different taking it in one go, or splitting it up. Even with splitting the dose, it is likely I will forget and end up using an extra one later in the day. Given that nobody actually knows - scientifically speaking - I will split the dose into 2, am and pm, and thats it.

 

[Judo Tom]

i think 2 am and 2 pm is better that 4 am. i think the more you spread it out the better results you will get, the less sides you will have the easier they will be to control.

i just wanted to help point you in a new and different direction w/ pct. i think you should try it at least once but if you are comfortable with what you have chosen go for it.

one of the things you will realize is that everything has been tried a thousand different ways. you need to find the most knowledgeable people and listen to them and try to find the best info that you think will work for you. what works for someone else might not work for you. i think it is very important to research and keep logs and see what improvements you can make down the road.

good luck

 

[Longfin]

i think 2 am and 2 pm is better that 4 am. i think the more you spread it out the better results you will get, the less sides you will have the easier they will be to control.

i just wanted to help point you in a new and different direction w/ pct. i think you should try it at least once but if you are comfortable with what you have chosen go for it.

one of the things you will realize is that everything has been tried a thousand different ways. you need to find the most knowledgeable people and listen to them and try to find the best info that you think will work for you. what works for someone else might not work for you. i think it is very important to research and keep logs and see what improvements you can make down the road.

good luck

So what is your recommendation for my PCT?

 

[Judo Tom]

formastanzol, unleashed and post cycle.

and depending on your situation you can add or maintain things like gear, bridge, powerchews, big blast etc etc to help keep and hold onto your gains.

just realize that with dbol especially the higher the dosage you will add a lot of water weight and a lot of strength quickly that you really will not be able to keep. id focus on the longterm gains that you can keep.

Good Luck!

 

[RADAR]

I like Judo Tom's PCT ,Having ran 100's of dbol only cycles,i can say the best way i have found is 20mg 1 hr before training ,Having some FormaStanazol to combat bloat or Arimidex.then 10mg afterwards forget trying to stabilize blood levels,it can't be done,Regardless the dosage and how much you split it, you will have the whole night for Blood levels to flucuate.

 

[ALIN]

I guess thats a matter of opinion unless you have a genuine reason to say this? Reading his articles he appears to have a lot of in-dept knowledge on the subject.

For those who are interested in my stats, here they are...
Age 25
Weight 180 lbs
Body fat 14%
Experience 3 Yrs+ & Turinabol

So, does anyone know the answrs to my questions?

I wouldnt do a DBOL only cycle. Stack it with some testosterone. Also split the DBOL up if you can
AM/NOON/PM and 45 min before a workout.

 

[Longfin]

I wouldnt do a DBOL only cycle. Stack it with some testosterone. Also split the DBOL up if you can.

Here we go


Alin, please re-read my original post...

I already know people don't rate oral steroids, especially when they are used as a standalone. I already know the benefits of adding Testosterone E/C into the cycle. I know that a lot of the gains made will be in water weight. But, please try and stick to the question in hand, thanks!

 

[Latamier]

The first thing you need to understand is that Bill Roberts is an idiot.

And take it from there.

Agree with this totally. Save your money till you can add something more substantial to your cycle so you don't literally piss it away when you come off.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I guess thats a matter of opinion unless you have a genuine reason to say this? Reading his articles he appears to have a lot of in-dept knowledge on the subject

Well we both worked for the same company so I guess you can say I have a genuine reason.

Roberts is typical of the science nerd who became the new experts in bodybuilding in the 90's. The trouble is, you can know a lot about chemistry and still be an idiot and still give bad advice. His theories are nonsense he pulls out of his ass and then adds a bunch of science babble to sound like he knows what he's talking about.

I think if you want to get a taste for steroids, doing 10-20 mgs of dbol for a few weeks is fine, but trying to make a heavy cycle from just dbol is a bad idea.

 

[Typo]

I like Judo Tom's PCT ,Having ran 100's of dbol only cycles,i can say the best way i have found is 20mg 1 hr before training ,Having some FormaStanazol to combat bloat or Arimidex.then 10mg afterwards forget trying to stabilize blood levels,it can't be done,Regardless the dosage and how much you split it, you will have the whole night for Blood levels to flucuate.

Before and after training? I am using dbol in my next cycle for the first time and was thinking I'd brake it up into morning, midday and night time doses. Now I don't know...

 

[IceIzNoble]

Alot of people take it ~1hour before workout and state that it helps with their training and pushes them further. Its all very debatable, I personally stick with the splitting up method.
As for PCT, go with what Judo Tom stated.
Formastanzol and unleashed PCT works well, could also add clomid to that, but some consider it overkill.