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Deca Sustanon Shutdown please help me please

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am i fed

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I ran a 6 week deca/sust cycle of 200 /g and 250 mg from mid november 2010 to the end of december 2010. Between the second and 3rd week of January I noticed I was "shooting blanks". Now it is feb 6th and I am no longer shootting blanks but I have NO SEX DRIVE whatsoever. Even porn can't get me up. Bc it was only 10 ccs of each I was told by my trainer I needed no pct so I took nothing. No clomid or anything. My test levels r low (119:9) and my doc also said I needed no pct and shouldnt do clomid. He said I should just let my body heal itself and let it rejuvinate my testosterone on its own and in a month or two i will be back to normal (as he says he has seen guys fully recover their test in 2 months after doing deca for up to a year!). Is he right and do you think my hormones and hpta will ever come back? This is my first and only cycle. Any advice wud be greatly appreciated. Thanks and god bless!

Also my shots were 2 ccs every 5 days alternating between substances, but I skipped my last deca shot so total 10 ccs of sust and 8 shots of deca. Also I just turned 21 and my natural test was 504.
 
They will eventually come back. How long that would take normally no one can tell you for sure as it is different with everyone and some users may never fully recover naturally.

You NEED a pct to help your body get back to producing its own test faster.
 
thank you man i really dont mean to sound like a dumbass but the pct is just to get it there faster right? if its going to come back it is going to with or without pct? Im just fucked because I dont have access to a pct.
 
am i fed said:
thank you man i really dont mean to sound like a dumbass but the pct is just to get it there faster right? if its going to come back it is going to with or without pct? Im just fucked because I dont have access to a pct.
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If you could get the deca and test you can get pct.


Your not fucked (yet), but your time line for recovery will be much longer and there is no definite time for when or if you will be completely recovered without a pct.
 
Trust me man if I cud I wud. I never 'had my hands on' the deca and sust, I did this thru a trainer that I grew close to (not in a weird way but just like an uncle) and I guess he steered me way wrong. I have no access to clomid tho but thru him and I don't trust his source obviously bc its wut got me here. That being said, how long is pct an option and can I afford to wait 2 weeks for blood test b4 I push my doc for clomid again?
 
get some natural test boosters like tribulus or phytoserms 347 which will help, also throw in there some hcgenerate.

If not get on the test again for 8 weeks because im sure you would have lost most gains by now. Order your pct products and do it properly when you come off.
 
okay first of all calm down. you made a mistake and you had no business running deca as a first cycle at your age. and I think you realize the mistake you made. next time have a PCT on hand before you touch AAS. let that personal trainer know that I said he is a buffoon and gives all PT's a bad name.

btw I have run 2 deca cycles and recovered so listen up and listen close.

first off I will give you some background on deca. it takes FIVE weeks for the esthers to clear the body. it takes 3 weeks for sustanon to clear the body. so if you ran deca for 6 weeks, its gonna be in your body 11 weeks. sustanon would be in for 9 weeks. between week 9 and week 11 is when you are gonna experience those pee-pee issues. cuz your sustanon is gone and your running on deca alone now. get it? now you understand why you are feeling the way you are. and after week 11 once deca clears your body is suppressed and not producing its own testosterone. however at 119 you are creating testosterone, but at a very low rate so there is hope.

yes you will eventually recover, but expect to lose a lot of gains during this time with no PCT and it will take longer.

this is the PCT I would recommend for you to do. start it ASAP.

run HCG 1000Iu's 2-3X per week first for 3 weeks, run HMG 75iu's 2X EOD at the end of that 3 weeks, then run a LOW dose SERM of your choice ED for 3 weeks. then wait 3 weeks and go back and do another blood test. if your test levels are still low then run a 2nd PCT. get this stuff off rxhealthdrugs which is the board sponsor and they are A+, i use them all the time. you will notice your nuts are growing back during this PCT and that will be evidence that your little guys are coming back.

I ran this PCT after my last deca cycle but it was 10 weeks and I ran heavier doses. and I am 10 years older then you. so if i can recover you can as well. i was 98, then 119, then I jumped to 350 and was on my way to recovery. it just takes time with deca. I wouldn't mess with AAS for atleast 6 months after a deca cycle. allow your HPTA to come back.. deca is no joke.. awesome stuff but it shuts down your HPTA for a while.. it is a myth that deca shuts it down any harder then any other AAS, its just that it shuts it down LONGER. those esthers are pesky

in conclusion if you care about the way your pecker works then you might consider steering clear of tren and deca or you better make sure you have a very understanding gf/wife.
 
Dude u r a saint. I am now at 7 weeks out of deca and 6 out of sust, but my testes r back to full size, that being said r u absolutely positive I need a pct and if I didn't wud I not be able to recover? I just don't know how I wud get it bc my parents get our mail and I wud have to pay with my moms paypal. So do u see any possible recovery with no pct?
 
am i fed said:
Dude u r a saint. I am now at 7 weeks out of deca and 6 out of sust, but my testes r back to full size, that being said r u absolutely positive I need a pct and if I didn't wud I not be able to recover? I just don't know how I wud get it bc my parents get our mail and I wud have to pay with my moms paypal. So do u see any possible recovery with no pct?
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like i said above yes you will eventually recover. it was not a long cycle and the body is beautiful in that it will eventually go into equilibrium. had you been on for a full year or something crazy then i would not be optimistic.

however PCT would allow you to keep most of those gains.. deca gains are slow and solid and keepable IF you run a good PCT and keep working out after. and PCT would allow a quicker recovery. hcg works very quickly to help stimulate your little guys .. its a fertility drug for a reason.

with no PCT its gonna take much longer to recover and your gains will likely evaporate since your test levels are so low.. expect a sharp drop in strength
 
Thank u so much man! U have been most helpful. I will try and get my hands on pct but I doubt I can. The losing of gains has already happened and I got a little gyno but I'm not worried about those 2, I'm just worried and making sure I'll b back to normal with 2 months (even with no pct) and my doc is very optimistic about that bc of the short cycle like u pointed out. So assuming no pct u still thiink I will b ok and not dependant on hrt for the rest of my life?
 
am i fed said:
Thank u so much man! U have been most helpful. I will try and get my hands on pct but I doubt I can. The losing of gains has already happened and I got a little gyno but I'm not worried about those 2, I'm just worried and making sure I'll b back to normal with 2 months (even with no pct) and my doc is very optimistic about that bc of the short cycle like u pointed out. So assuming no pct u still thiink I will b ok and not dependant on hrt for the rest of my life?
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yes you will definately not be dependent on HRT. but give your body time to recover.. with no PCT i would guestimate 3 months before your test levels start a strong rebound. and a full 6 months total. ur age and your short cycle is your friend here.

and never run tren or deca without dostinex/cabaser. you don't want gyno issues. deca is a poor choice for people prone to gyno.
 
get a new doctor and trainer what a bunch of quacks
 
Thank u so much man. Ur a life savor. Lastly is that 3 months from last shot until a strong rebound or 3 months from now bc I am already a month out. And again thank u so much.
 
in the meantime if your going to play it out with no pct go get some natural test boosters from your local vitamin shop.
Buy some TRIBULUS and get a pre workout of some sort to give you the energy to get through a work out and hopefully keep some sort of strength. If you can buy online somehow with c/c let me know and will point you in the right direction of what to get.
 
Thank u veneto and steve. Venetto do u also think I will recover naturally and do u think the 3-6 month time frame is right?
 
yes i agree with what stevesmi said and he is right with your age and that dose you will recover. Trust me and get some tribulus to get your little fella motivated while the deca is clearing your system and your test levels start climbing + do alot of squats - raises testosterone.
 
thank you so much man. I definately will do that. also is it a good sign that I got my balls back to size and can get an erection if the situation absolutely demands it? I just have no libido but you are confident all that will come back to normal?
 
Guys quick update. After 3.5 months my test levels have climbed from 76 to 302 but I still have NO LIBIDO. Because of this my doc put me on clomid at 50 mg every other day. I do not have testicular atrophy (according to doc) but I can only get an erection if I stimulate it. Do u guys think the clomid will help me recover and recover my libido? I'm just scared that this DECA DICK is perminant and my sex drive will never come back. Please someone give me some input. Is there any going back from this? I am a mental mess right now and need some input please!
 
get some dostinex stat
 
decasustuser said:
Guys quick update. After 3.5 months my test levels have climbed from 76 to 302 but I still have NO LIBIDO. Because of this my doc put me on clomid at 50 mg every other day. I do not have testicular atrophy (according to doc) but I can only get an erection if I stimulate it. Do u guys think the clomid will help me recover and recover my libido? I'm just scared that this DECA DICK is perminant and my sex drive will never come back. Please someone give me some input. Is there any going back from this? I am a mental mess right now and need some input please!
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sounds about right. i recovered almost the same way. your doc is putting you on another PCT.

did u run the PCT i told you to run before? if not then RUN THAT PCT and you will be good to go i almost guarantee it.

your doc's PCT is weak.. 50mg clomid EOD is weak.

run the PCT exactly the way i wrote. I recovered from 2 deca cycles beautifully on that PCT and i have blood work to prove it. you can buy it all off prohub or rxhealthdrugs our 2 sponsors on here.
 
Thanks for the reply steve. This is actualy my first pct and I just started yesterday. I promised myself and my parents id try the doctors way first but do u think there is a good chance that after this 6 weeks (5 months post cycle) total that I'll still have low t and libido issues? If so he is going to put me on hcg and do u think that will do the trick? I guess what I'm asking is can this deca dick b unfixable? Bc if so I'm doomed to live a long miserable life and I have been crazy down and even suicidal. I just want to have my dick work again and my sex drive back. This is effecting every aspect of my life...school work, socially, everything. But understand I'm a dumbass kid and my parents r involved now and for the time being I'm giving the doc a shot.
 
the whole point of running the PCT i told you is so you aid your body into recovery.

the doctors strategy is absolute shit. doctors do not know anything about AAS, and they know nothing about PCT. you are 21 and still are taking orders from your parents? you are just wasting time... the longer you wait the more gains will evaporate.
 
I know man and if it doesn't work I'm going to take matters into my own hands but hcg and stuff isn't exactly easy to get. I'm not worries about gains at this point. I just want my sexual functioning and mental health back. Cud that b perminantly gone?
 
So did u start hcg immediately? And is it ever too late to start it? I'm just asking bc I know its injectable and I don't even know how to get the needles for it. I am such a rook w this stuff that its rediculous. I had my trainer inject me and everything and then wn he left me hanging (no pun intended) I cut ties with him. Anyway any advice wud b great. I'm sry ur dealing w such a pathetic loser here but thanks for ur patience
 
Sigh! Listen to the guys on here and stop listening to your doc,Both the Personal trainer and him are both quacks. My advice to you is to stop stressing ,since you already know Deca was a poor choice for a first cycle you can expect sexual dysfunction. There is no Quick fix ,but running a good PCT will help you get there faster,and Nandrolones such as deca will linger in the body for up to 18 months(another reason for a good PCT)Trust me everything will turn out fine, ,it's just going to take some time I know this because i have over 35 yrs in this field.
 
I can run gear for a year straight and not shut down or crash. In fact, I have never shut-down so I dont understand. However, I know people that used nolvadex XT for mild shutdown.
 
Thanks jaxtwo but this is no mild shutdown. A naked dime can't get me hard right now. I have no libido, can barely get an erection (self stimulating) and havnt had a morning wood since my cycle.
 
Thanks steve will do. Also is there any truth that deca lowers dopamine and therefore a dopamine antagonist such as dosinex is neccessary to restore libido? Also is it weird I'm experiancing this from only 5 total shots of deca over 6 weeks? It was deca 200 and I had 1 cc then 2cc 10 day later then 2cc 10 days later then 2cc 10 days later then 1cc 10 days later. (With the same pattern of sustanon on every 5th day between). I mean it seems like I did a very low dose yet got hit very hard.
 
its a good idea to run dostinex/cabaser with deca. i always run it every 4 days with either deca or my upcoming tren cycle.

glad to see you are finally doing some research, too bad it took a mistake for you to do it now. in any event in a year hopefully you will look back and laugh at yourself for these mistakes. good for you for asking questions and reading up.
 
Thanks steve ur a good man. I'm also curious even wn I get my levels of test back, if I still have libido problems wut do u suggest? I plan on talkin to my doc about dosinex wn I go back in 5 weeks. Until then do u think I shud expect to c the libido rise from the clomid? Also does it suprise u I'm so shutdown off what I feel is such a light cycle? I mean it seems weird to me.
 
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