Deca Only, worthwhile?

[OpusCrosby]

I live next to the border in San Diego. Never done any gear before. My thoughts are I could easily drive over the boarder into TJ and do an injection once a week down there, and come back in an hour.

I've read hundreds of posts and web pages about all the different combos I could do, but haven't come accross much of anything about a Deca only... no test, sust... just deca.... Hardcore gearing doesn't appeal much to me, and I like what I've learned about deca (minimal side-effects, etc.) Would this be worth the effort? It seams like a relativly risk-free way of doing it for a non-hardcore type user. No stash at the house, no mail order, no customs concerns.... But would the results be even worth the while?

 

[Clean]

Deca only would be just fine for a first cycle.

But you may want to keep arimidex and nolva on hand in case of bloat, gyno, etc...

Most people on this board I don't think are into "hardcore gearing" whatever you may have meant by that.

 

[Dial_tone]

Factor in the risk of being taken for a shakedown joyride by mexican police and tell me what the risk is?

 

[SwolK]

no. unless im missing somthing, deca should not be used by itself due fact that it is hard to bring natural test levels back up. not to mention the well known "deca dick" that you can get from it. even if natural test levels are brought back up, some still have erectile disfunctions(deca dick). so i thought it should be used with test to aid in the recovery of PCT. why not due a low dose of test, you will get more gains then from deca with low sides and easy recovery with PCT. test is usually cheaper too.
if not test, then EQ or winny

 

[Dial_tone]

Deca only would be just fine for a first cycle.

But you may want to keep arimidex and nolva on hand in case of bloat, gyno, etc...

2,500 posts and that's all you got? It's a terrible idea. He would likely run into libido issues and have a very difficult pct. Neither arimidex or nolvadex would do a damn thing for progesterone gyno which is what he'd get from Deca. Read any of the responses to the 5,000 times this question has been asked before and you'll find 500mg test is what he needs.

 

[bigpoppa p]

Dail tone is correct. That is not a good cycle. PEACE

 

[SwolK]

as i said, thanks dial tone

 

[mstigi]

Agreed, I find it amazing anyone whould advise using deca without test. It is simply too harsh on your natural levels

 

[Dial_tone]

The first time I use a drug I take it alone for 6-8 weeks to see what effect it has on me. That way when I combine it with 1-2 other drugs I know which drug caused which side effect. I'm far from my first cycle though. I actually had good libido all the way thru a deca only cycle but afterwards I felt like shit for 3 months.

 

[DIVISION]

Factor in the risk of being taken for a shakedown joyride by mexican police and tell me what the risk is?

If you are Hispanic and speak spanish you don't have those issues......

Holla......



DIV

 

[SwolK]

someone should sticty somthing like this. i see more and more people talking about using deca by itself,

 

[OpusCrosby]

So, would it be fair to say that all/most of you agree that a testostorone, like Sustanon 250 should be added to this cycle to make it more effective?

For a first timer (skinny, but hopeful, 165 lbs, 5'-11"), would the following be a good stack?

Deca 300 mg/wk
Sust 500 mg/wk

One injection per week, say for an 8-10 week cycle?

 

[DIVISION]

So, would it be fair to say that all/most of you agree that a testostorone, like Sustanon 250 should be added to this cycle to make it more effective?

For a first timer (skinny, but hopeful, 165 lbs, 5'-11"), would the following be a good stack?

Deca 300 mg/wk
Sust 500 mg/wk

One injection per week, say for an 8-10 week cycle?

It's not only a matter of effectiveness, it's a matter of having a functioning dick also.

I would prefer a Testeca ratio of 2:1, but 500/300 is acceptable to keep your dick in thrustmode.

12 week cycle....in order to get the full benefit of the slow onset of Deca.

165lbs @ 5'11".....you're a rail.....my god.....



DIV

 

[roidpuple]

sust..2 times a week.. deca 1 time...

primo is better than deca... if you are being mr safe...
do a primo only....

use test eth.. not sustanon..

 

[RADAR]

So, would it be fair to say that all/most of you agree that a testostorone, like Sustanon 250 should be added to this cycle to make it more effective?

For a first timer (skinny, but hopeful, 165 lbs, 5'-11"), would the following be a good stack?

Deca 300 mg/wk
Sust 500 mg/wk

One injection per week, say for an 8-10 week cycle?

Running both for a first cycle is tricky because if gyno develops you won't know which compound is causing it to treat.

Estrogen induced gyno & progesterone induced gyno require different methods to combat.

RADAR

 

[SwolK]

personally, i would just do test by itself(you can add deca if you want, but for first cycle= not necessary) adding the deca is your call, i would not.
500mg of test ethanate for 10-12 weeks would be a great first cycle. you definietely need PCT for any cycle. one of these guys can help you out. so if you dont wnat to bring any thing back over the boarder with you, need to to twice like mon to get shot and then on thurs. if different days, be consistant. Or just take the chance of brigging it back. take your center console apart drive down there put your gear in there or under there. and ressamble it to go accross the boarder, say you were visiting a friend. what ever you want to do. but as strated many time above. test 500mg for 10-12 weeks with PCT and you will be very happy with the great results and be sure you have PCT

 

[DIVISION]

Running both for a first cycle is tricky because if gyno develops you won't know which compound is causing it to treat.

I thought about the double effect also, but it seems to me that the kid is going to run Test + Deca regardless of what we say.

You gotta realize that most kids who come on with virgin cycles are gonna run what they had planned to run anyway, and are just looking for affirmation that their cycle is "good".



DIV

 

[mrplunkey]

At your size, do 250 mg's of test per week for your first cycle. Take 0.5 mg's of Armidex EoD as well. Go 10 to 12 weeks.

Then eat and sleep and train like crazy. You'll do just fine.

It makes no sense to:

1) Do deca alone
2) Stack anything on your first ever cycle
3) Start with larger doses -- smaller ones may do you just fine

Learn the basics with 250 mg's of test per week. Do a full cycle and learn PCT as well. Learn how to make and keep gains. Then get fancy.

 

[OpusCrosby]

At your size, do 250 mg's of test per week for your first cycle. Take 0.5 mg's of Armidex EoD as well. Go 10 to 12 weeks.

Then eat and sleep and train like crazy. You'll do just fine.

It makes no sense to:

1) Do deca alone
2) Stack anything on your first ever cycle
3) Start with larger doses -- smaller ones may do you just fine

Learn the basics with 250 mg's of test per week. Do a full cycle and learn PCT as well. Learn how to make and keep gains. Then get fancy.

QV is readily available in Mexico, I hear. There are several Tests. Test Enanthate 250mg/ml, Test Prop 100mg/ml, and Test Cypionate. Which do you all feel is most appropriate for a first-timer?

 

[mrplunkey]

QV is readily available in Mexico, I hear. There are several Tests. Test Enanthate 250mg/ml, Test Prop 100mg/ml, and Test Cypionate. Which do you all feel is most appropriate for a first-timer?

Some here will tell you it's too light, but I'd do this:

10 weeker:
250 mg's test cypionate/week
0.5 mg's Armidex EoD

PCT:
14 days after last injection do 1,000 units of HCG while continuting to take arimidex at 0.5 mg EoD. Continue HGC and armidex at those doses for 10 consecutive days.

If needles are no big thing to you, you could even split the cyponate doses into 2x a week. Steadier blood levels = fewer sides.

Why do such a wussy first cycle?

1) If you are prone to gyno, at that cycle you'll probably get puffy, itchy nipples instead of painful lumps and formation of breast tissue

2) If you are prone to male pattern baldness, at that cycle you'll notice a little more shedding instead of watching your hair pour through your hands on the way to the drain in the shower

3) If you are prone to bloat (the adex should take care of that in spades) you'll get a little puffy instead of looking like the michelin man.

4) If you are prone to acne w/test, at that cycle you'll break-out, instead of looking like a pepperoni pizza.

Don't get me wrong, IMO gear is wonderful, wonderful stuff. I'm counting the days till my next cycle. It's just that since it's your body we're talking about here... and some of this stuff *is* irreversible... you'll be better served going slowly.

Thanks,

 

[JeSt3r]

IMO dont use HGC...it can cause more harm then good if you have no idea wtf your doing...
do a test only cycle....that way if your prone to gyno and it effects you alot you will know its going to be the primo/var road for you from now on....
if you have no fear of needles and dont mind "driving across the boarder every other day do a test prop cycle....shorter ester the shorter it will take for the drugs to be out of your system if you encounter sides

 

[OpusCrosby]

IMO dont use HGC...it can cause more harm then good if you have no idea wtf your doing...
do a test only cycle....that way if your prone to gyno and it effects you alot you will know its going to be the primo/var road for you from now on....
if you have no fear of needles and dont mind "driving across the boarder every other day do a test prop cycle....shorter ester the shorter it will take for the drugs to be out of your system if you encounter sides

What sort of PCT would be good, then, for a 250 mg /wk test cycle lasting 10-12 weeks?

 

[JeSt3r]

with that low of a dose...normal nolva PCT would do you fine...40mg /day for a week then 30mg/day for a week then 20mg/day for a week,3 weeks after your last TEST E OR TEST C shot...the exception is test prop which pct would start the day after or 2 days after your last shot

 

[Dial_tone]

x-only cycle where x != Test is a bad idea.

 

[OpusCrosby]

with that low of a dose...normal nolva PCT would do you fine...40mg /day for a week then 30mg/day for a week then 20mg/day for a week,3 weeks after your last TEST E OR TEST C shot...the exception is test prop which pct would start the day after or 2 days after your last shot

Anyone know if there is a PCT out there that doesn't have to be taken on a daily basis? E.g. anything that's good for a "once-a-week" deal? The reason I ask is so I could do the whole sha-bang in Mexico, including the PCT, making one trip a week, with virtually no legal risks whatsoever.

 

[riverrock]

Deca....Yessssssssssssss!!!!!!

Better again, use it with Test

 

[JeSt3r]

Anyone know if there is a PCT out there that doesn't have to be taken on a daily basis? E.g. anything that's good for a "once-a-week" deal? The reason I ask is so I could do the whole sha-bang in Mexico, including the PCT, making one trip a week, with virtually no legal risks whatsoever.

there is no once a week PCT....its EVERY DAY...unless you want to become severly shut down and all the other sides of not running PCT....u cannot really get into alot of trobule with nolva....well at least i dont think so