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debaser do you have a pic thread. you know your shit and id like to see what you look like bro
 
i dont get the joke LS....you not impressed with his physique?
 
Lol, I'm not cutting I just said I will post pics when I do cut. I expect this to be right around spring I will have them done. That will be good because I will post original pics and pics that will be right around the 2 year progress mark.

I don't expect the guys insulting me to be patient. And when I do post them, I expect the petty ones to belittle every feature they can.

I can present you with some stats, right now I'm around 6' to 6'1", 225. BF is around 12-14%. June 2002 I was 170 at around 15%.
 
Arnold'sApprentice said:
i dont get the joke LS....you not impressed with his physique?
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He's been petty and bitter ever since I told him he needs to stop injuring himself and address his injuries the right way. He has an injury thread every week. I wouldn't be surprised if he has to give up training entirely someday.

And theoak, well he's in his own little stubborn rut. I tried to help him months back telling him what really results in progress. He even said he'd try the routine and diet (DC style) I proposed but then pussed out. I was happy, however seeing guys like guldukat (who was already advanced) add an inch to his arms and gain lots of strength on the program. I have no doubt oak hasn't made much progress at all in the past few months.
 
Debaser said:
And theoak, well he's in his own little stubborn rut. I tried to help him months back telling him what really results in progress. He even said he'd try the routine and diet (DC style) I proposed but then pussed out. I was happy, however seeing guys like guldukat (who was already advanced) add an inch to his arms and gain lots of strength on the program. I have no doubt oak hasn't made much progress at all in the past few months.
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actually i gained a lil over 10 pounds and alot of strenght and endurance..
 
Debaser said:


He's been petty and bitter ever since I told him he needs to stop injuring himself and address his injuries the right way. He has an injury thread every week. I wouldn't be surprised if he has to give up training entirely someday.

And theoak, well he's in his own little stubborn rut. I tried to help him months back telling him what really results in progress. He even said he'd try the routine and diet (DC style) I proposed but then pussed out. I was happy, however seeing guys like guldukat (who was already advanced) add an inch to his arms and gain lots of strength on the program. I have no doubt oak hasn't made much progress at all in the past few months.
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well thats a shame cos you and LS both seem like really great guys :(
 
Does it matter? He could be an 80 year old guy in a wheel chair with a colostomy bag and if he gives good advice, he gives good advice.

I don't really know if he knows his stuff or not - he seems pretty abrasive but I am abrasive too.

Regardless of how he looks - and even if he is a Mr. O, if what he posts is BS or is pure gold will come out here on the board.
 
Synpax said:
Does it matter? He could be an 80 year old guy in a wheel chair with a colostomy bag and if he gives good advice, he gives good advice.

I don't really know if he knows his stuff or not - he seems pretty abrasive but I am abrasive too.

Regardless of how he looks - and even if he is a Mr. O, if what he posts is BS or is pure gold will come out here on the board.
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This is what the more ignorant of mind can't seem to figure out. If you weight arguments based on who is making them, then you don't know shit about logic or debate. "Ad hominem"
 
I've posted pics before and I was like 12%+ bf. What's the big deal? I even think I posted pics way back then when I had gotten to 16%+.

Just post up dude.

-sk
 
Debaser gives very good intellectual advice. By advice I mean he gives people other options in their training, its not like you have to accept what he proposes. Who cares what he looks like.. even with the right training and diet it still takes a long time to build a body
 
sk* said:
I've posted pics before and I was like 12%+ bf. What's the big deal? I even think I posted pics way back then when I had gotten to 16%+.

Just post up dude.

-sk
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Just because you don't care doesn't mean I feel the same way. Wait till next spring/summer. There's no reason you need to see them now. And there's no reason for me to go out of my way to do them when I personally don't want to yet.
 
Come on guys, let's not let this become a call out thread. This is the training board and these days just about the only sane board on elite, a place where people should feel welcome, and not on the spot to prove anything.

Plus I think Debaser is starting to become a little more open to other ideas. As well all know there is more than one way to skin a cat (never really thought of how sick that saying was until just now lol) ;p
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Come on guys, let's not let this become a call out thread. This is the training board and these days just about the only sane board on elite, a place where people should feel welcome, and not on the spot to prove anything.

Plus I think Debaser is starting to become a little more open to other ideas. As well all know there is more than one way to skin a cat (never really thought of how sick that saying was until just now lol) ;p
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That skinning thing, it applies to humans too. Personally, I wouldnt even consider someone's advice unless they could back it up with some massive strength and size, otherwise they have no experience with what they preach and are merely speculating on what works. Aside from that it pisses me off. Me and Debaser never agree, but thats all part of the fun. :alien:
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Come on guys, let's not let this become a call out thread. This is the training board and these days just about the only sane board on elite, a place where people should feel welcome, and not on the spot to prove anything.

Plus I think Debaser is starting to become a little more open to other ideas. As well all know there is more than one way to skin a cat (never really thought of how sick that saying was until just now lol) ;p
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this is a good point!! regardless of what views they have, we should be "undivded" when it comes to pics and progress..not onesided. tb
 
*flame shield on

Why do some ppl hate debaser's words? I think hes pretty cool, giving advice on how to prevent injury and all.
Dont flame me, i am new to this situation.
*hides behind a rock
 
Yarg! said:
*flame shield on

Why do some ppl hate debaser's words? I think hes pretty cool, giving advice on how to prevent injury and all.
Dont flame me, i am new to this situation.
*hides behind a rock
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he's probably the most knowledgable guy in this forum


im new too though
 
Arnold'sApprentice said:

he's probably the most knowledgable guy in this forum
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I wouldn't go that far, but I'd have to say I'm extremely flattered :)
 
Arnold'sApprentice said:


he's probably the most knowledgable guy in this forum


im new too though
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no one with 1 year experince is to be considered the most knowledgable person on the forum.... not by a long shot.

try some people like bfold who is a Professional Strongman. Or Needsize, who almost turned Pro bodybuilder in his first contest. Or Spatts, who holds numerous titles in powerlifting.

im not knocking debaser.... he has a lot of good points, and if your training like a bodybuilder, he has some really great info, but by no means is he the most knowledgable person on the forums.

many of us have been training and competing for close to a decade, and have read enough litterature to have a degree.

X
 
Exodus said:


no one with 1 year experince is to be considered the most knowledgable person on the forum.... not by a long shot.

try some people like bfold who is a Professional Strongman. Or Needsize, who almost turned Pro bodybuilder in his first contest. Or Spatts, who holds numerous titles in powerlifting.

im not knocking debaser.... he has a lot of good points, and if your training like a bodybuilder, he has some really great info, but by no means is he the most knowledgable person on the forums.

many of us have been training and competing for close to a decade, and have read enough litterature to have a degree.

X
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The truth revealed :fro:
 
Exodus said:


no one with 1 year experince is to be considered the most knowledgable person on the forum.... not by a long shot.

try some people like bfold who is a Professional Strongman. Or Needsize, who almost turned Pro bodybuilder in his first contest. Or Spatts, who holds numerous titles in powerlifting.

im not knocking debaser.... he has a lot of good points, and if your training like a bodybuilder, he has some really great info, but by no means is he the most knowledgable person on the forums.

many of us have been training and competing for close to a decade, and have read enough litterature to have a degree.

X
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i agree with ya on that exodus!! tb
 
Wait a moment, Debaser has only 1yr of experience? And yet, he gives sooo much advise? Wtf, that changes everything! I have nearly a yr of training too , and you dont see me giving all that advise. weird stuff.
 
The thing is, I've absorbed so much beneficial information. Forget that I have only 1.5 years of experience, because I doubt my views will change more than very slightly in 5 years time. People here like to say that I don't know what I'm talking about merely because of my training time, even though I support a lot of DC's views, and those of others with considerably more experience than those on here. If DC came here and said THE EXACT same things that I was saying, many of these people couldn't say anything because he is more muscular than just about any member of elite fitness, and that is what they seem to weight knowledge upon.
 
Well I guess if you're cutting and plan to be photo ready in the spring, then you're not training here starting in January as planned? Sure as hell can't train like we do while you're cutting.
 
Debaser said:
The thing is, I've absorbed so much beneficial information. Forget that I have only 1.5 years of experience, because I doubt my views will change more than very slightly in 5 years time. People here like to say that I don't know what I'm talking about merely because of my training time, even though I support a lot of DC's views, and those of others with considerably more experience than those on here. If DC came here and said THE EXACT same things that I was saying, many of these people couldn't say anything because he is more muscular than just about any member of elite fitness, and that is what they seem to weight knowledge upon.
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5 years? Try ten years.... As far as jealousy, I detect arrogance on your part. Strange for only one year of lifting.
 
spatts said:
Well I guess if you're cutting and plan to be photo ready in the spring, then you're not training here starting in January as planned? Sure as hell can't train like we do while you're cutting.
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I probably wouldn't start cutting until April...so I guess Summer would have made more sense for me to say.

Even when I do cut I don't do it drastically so as not to lose lots of strength/muscle.
 
WalkingBeast said:


5 years? Try ten years.... As far as jealousy, I detect arrogance on your part. Strange for only one year of lifting.
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No, jealousy is more like it. One guy talks about admiring my views and knowledge, and you and whoever else are quick to jump on and say "nuh-uh." Really mature.
 
Debaser said:


No, jealousy is more like it. One guy talks about admiring my views and knowledge, and you and whoever else are quick to jump on and say "nuh-uh." Really mature.
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Yes...I want to be as strong as you
 
slobberknocker said:
Here comes the drama.
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Hahaha. Thats what I was going to say. Only two weeks ago I posted a thread saying how great it was that everyone was being supportive on here and Spatts said that everything works in cycles. I guess she really knows this place doesnt she?
 
Debaser...we just wast to know how things are coming along....You speak highly of many different kinds of training and leave us in suspence, and you also bash other trianing compositions. And again, I will say that looks can and will back up ones words. Look at B fold..........He backs his shit up every single week.
 
There isn't much training that I bash nowadays. I will always dislike volume bodybuilding routines, but I'm not quite as adamant as I used to be.
 
Debaser said:
There isn't much training that I bash nowadays. I will always dislike volume bodybuilding routines, but I'm not quite as adamant as I used to be.
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Debaser..I dont doubt that youll become strong, and reach your goals...Its just the attitude you present.
 
Debaser said:
I detect some jealousy.
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your misunderstood....
exodus was only saying that its hard to believe that your "such an expert" after only one year of training. the only way your going to end this is by backing your shit up!!! END OF DISCUSSION!! :D tb
 
I love you all.....but....

I fuckin' hate all this crap.

I apologize for thinking this was a useful thread.
 
many of the coaches of olympic athletes aren't the biggest or strongest but they are the most knowable about training.

im sorry this offended anyone.i just think debaser knows everything,always knows what people are doing wrong and can give real reasons
 
I'm sorry.
No offense meant here either.
I just don't like all the negative energy. I'm sure that wasn't the goal of your thread though, so I understand.
Best 2 ya.
-2z-
 
guys, this is exactly the kind of crap that is prevalent on the other forums, that didnt happen here, and set us apart. There are always going to be people that irritate you, the bigger man ignores it.
I had problems here too with guys like BO$, and nclifter6ft6, etc, guys that had no physique but told me I had no idea what I was doing(I'm not saying they are the same as debaser, just illustrating my point), and letting myself get caught up in the BS is one thing I am still embarassed about
 
look i dont mean to insult you debaser, and I sure as hell dont want to make enemies-but maybe you should wait till youve got more years under your belt. Cuz you know how they say: experience is the best trainer.
 
if debaser has not pposted his pics noone knows if he has no physique. he is also STEROID FREE ]and can help natty trainers better than roidheads becuase they often forget about what works best for naturals
 
Arnold'sApprentice said:
if debaser has not pposted his pics noone knows if he has no physique. he is also STEROID FREE ]and can help natty trainers better than roidheads becuase they often forget about what works best for naturals
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too be honest bro, your comment there offended me. Since I have been doing steroid cycles for the past 2 years, by your definition, I am a roidhead, and therefor unable to help natural trainers. That surprises me as I was under the impression that my 5x5 routine was helping a whole lot of people.
I have 10 years natural training under my belt as well, I dont think you took that sort of thing into account when you made the blanket statement about roidheads
 
I really wish a mod would lock this. This is getting out of hand. Or, "has gotten," I should say.

Guys, it's not hard to keep a positive attitude on this board. It really would be a lot better if some of you could try ...
 
FromZero is right, this should have been locked DAYS ago.

We've had some assholes on the board come and go over time, but I would say this past year has been great. Everyone has been so supportive of each other, and everyone making great progress left and right. Then some crap goes down on the boards, and suddenly everyone is at each others throats or leaving. If anyone wants to be negative, perhaps it's time for them to leave as well. Let's get back to being supportive of each other, and some good ol' pr posts....
 
Needsize i did mean you..i had no idea you juiced and know you know your shit.

to the people calling me an asshole: this was not meant to be a flame thread..OTHER PEOPLE did that. I was trying to praise a board member who devotes a lot of time to helping people

I admit im new here but surely there is room for threads other than just pr threads ...after a while i find it a little boring that Mr blah just failed benching 300 etc..but i don;'t go onto his thread and fuck it up,or flame.
 
Arnold'sApprentice said:
Needsize i did mean you..i had no idea you juiced and know you know your shit.

to the people calling me an asshole: this was not meant to be a flame thread..OTHER PEOPLE did that. I was trying to praise a board member who devotes a lot of time to helping people

I admit im new here but surely there is room for threads other than just pr threads ...after a while i find it a little boring that Mr blah just failed benching 300 etc..but i don;'t go onto his thread and fuck it up,or flame.
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cool. There are a lot of juiceheads that use gear as a crutch and got big without knowing jackt about training or nutrition, I dont consider myself one of them. 10 years of natural gave me an understanding of how to train without gear, and I'm still a hardgainer even with steroids
 
bro i meant didnt mean you..not did. im glad u saw it was a typo.on your comp thread i actually posted how amazing ur physique is....and i meant it

peace
 
I will remain natural throughout my training career, but I don't hold anything against guys that use, as long as they do it responsibly and aren't using them as a substitute for the knowledge gained through years of natural training.

Needsize is a great example of one of the good guys. DC is as well, he got to 240+ lbs (gaining 100 lbs of muscle) before he touched the juice, whereupon he gained another 60 lbs. He literally more than doubled his starting weight of 140. If someone is looking to use, follow their example.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
FromZero is right, this should have been locked DAYS ago.

We've had some assholes on the board come and go over time, but I would say this past year has been great. Everyone has been so supportive of each other, and everyone making great progress left and right. Then some crap goes down on the boards, and suddenly everyone is at each others throats or leaving. If anyone wants to be negative, perhaps it's time for them to leave as well. Let's get back to being supportive of each other, and some good ol' pr posts....
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Right on bro.
 
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