Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below i was watching how they bust these people. its often funny but at the same time it brings up a question. many people have strange fetishes, most of the time embarassing ones that most would not expose to the public aside from their wives or girlfriends. i am not an advocate of these predators. i think taking the innocence of a child is wrong. but is it at the same time right to expose these people and make them look bad for something biological that they probably wish they could control but cant? i feel that child rapists and molesters that do things to children against the will of the child is something that should be punished severly. At the same time, a 13 year old girl consenting to sex with a man who has some sort of fetish seems wrong but at the same time is it truly the man's fault? and should he be humiliated on national tv? these men will never change. to me it almost brings the same issue up as homosexuality...something biological that those people cannot help, no matter how shunned from society they are and how much many wish they could change. what are your opinions on this?
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markshark said:
Yes and Yes
javaguru said:
Chris Hansen would like to have a word with you.
Cal_21 said:
Don't you have a bitch to be dumping?
And give her my number after you do.
She's gotta go bro, you'll never trust her again. She totally fucked that dude, trust me.
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i'm totally against child molestation (bold stance, i know), and i think adults who fuck with children should definitely get into legal trouble...but at the same time, i fucking hate Chris Hansen. I think he is such a smug prick, and basically makes a living by invading peoples' privacy and owning them. fuck him. I hope he gets caught doing something fucked up like fucking sheep or staging dogfights.
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nimbus said:
lolololololololol
That would be so ironic and hilarious. Kind of like the Bob Allen situation.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289137,00.html
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Just curious... do you also believe that it is a *biologically driven urge* when that man wants to have sex with his own 13 year old daughter? ....or is it just everybody else's child that is fair game?
i would be a smug prick too if i was talking to a man who had been trying to lure a 13 year old to have sex.
I think chris hanson shows a remarkable amount of restraint.
These men have been talking to the decoys for around 3 weeks before they agree to meet. even if the 'kid' comes on strong- its WRONG. it doesn't matter of the age of consent is 14 in africa and 18 here... if the age of consent somewhere was 8, would that make it ok for a man to have sex with a little boy? what about 6? 4?
It's illegal. and should be. maybe when you get to a grey area it's understandable- like a 22 year old meeting a 16 year old, but that's not what they are exposing.
wait until you have kids. you'll want to shake chris hanson's hand.
I think chris hanson shows a remarkable amount of restraint.
These men have been talking to the decoys for around 3 weeks before they agree to meet. even if the 'kid' comes on strong- its WRONG. it doesn't matter of the age of consent is 14 in africa and 18 here... if the age of consent somewhere was 8, would that make it ok for a man to have sex with a little boy? what about 6? 4?
It's illegal. and should be. maybe when you get to a grey area it's understandable- like a 22 year old meeting a 16 year old, but that's not what they are exposing.
wait until you have kids. you'll want to shake chris hanson's hand.
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my kids will never have a computer 
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stilleto said:
^5 sister, your exactly right. I have a problem with the fact that 30 and 40 somthing men are coming just to "talk" to the child, but they have alcohol and rubbers w/ them. Fuckers should be pubicly castrated, then hung. In some of the shows, the same MF'er get caught again, that would eliminate that shit.
Now, let me add this, as a bondsman, I have in the past had to bond out 17-19 year olds for having sex with a girl who is 15 sometimes 16, they have been dating for several months (sometimes years) all with the knowledge of both sets of parents and they approve of the relationship. The kid if convicted will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and suffer the harm of that stigma. I have aproblem w/ that. In most cases, the families are hispanic, usually illegal or first generation Americans, and the culture that they come form doesn't frown on this type of arraingments. Sad sometimes....
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Sad thing ias I know this country and its pathetic people and Chris hansen would be the first to let some 16 year old hot ass girl give him a blowjob. it's such hypocritical. i hope he gets caught doing something with a 10 year old boy or something. Would be great and then people can ask him.."What do you think should happen to you" right as they tazer his self righteous ass
Sad thing ias I know this country and its pathetic people and Chris hansen would be the first to let some 16 year old hot ass girl give him a blowjob. it's such hypocritical. i hope he gets caught doing something with a 10 year old boy or something. Would be great and then people can ask him.."What do you think should happen to you" right as they tazer his self righteous ass
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Are you freaking kidding me??? You are blaming the 13 year old?markshark said:
Should they be exposed: Fuck yeah!
Should they be punished: They should be hung up and have their flesh ripped from their bodies until they bleed to death.
We aren't talking about a victimless little fetish here. We are talking about predators who ruin these children's lives.
And before someone accuses me of hating men, I think those female teachers who molest their students should be locked away just as long as the men. They are way too lenient with the females. They need to be punished severely.
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i met a prosecutor that worked with dateline and prosecuted these assholes. he told me to NEVER let my 9 year old on the internet without me being right there. childrens minds can be manipulated. this is why it is wrong. we call someone a child for a reason. they are not old enough to make their own decisions. they truly believe the person they are going to meet is a nice person and sees nothing wrong with it. then they end up dead. yes i do believe their faces should be plastered all over the place. do you also think the sexual predators list is wrong too? they have to register as a sex offender and anyone can look online and see who lives near their home. is that wrong to do also? there is a house here in Jacksonville that houses sexual predators so they have a place to stay when they get out of jail. people here are trying to outlaw it and not allow a group of them to live together because that urge NEVER goes away. they can easily team up and grab whoever they choose and nobody would ever know.
bottom line is the adult should know better that its wrong to do it and when a child pushes themselves onto them they need to turn away. but for these asshole its hard to do and the children get hurt.
bottom line is the adult should know better that its wrong to do it and when a child pushes themselves onto them they need to turn away. but for these asshole its hard to do and the children get hurt.
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Young children almost never behave in a sexual manner unless they have been abused in the past. One of the signs of past abuse is overly sexual behavior in a child who has not reached puberty.bigmann245 said:
All I can say is that it takes all kinds. Nothing is ever black and white. Not every person of type "X" (whatever X is) is an asshole who should be killed. Everyone has got a story with both social and genetic reason for doing what they do.
However, if we don't, then we can make this life alot simpler. Sleeping with people 15 and under? Killed. 16? Okay. Are you gay? Killed. Bisexual? Killed. Childless? Killed. etc.
However, if we don't, then we can make this life alot simpler. Sleeping with people 15 and under? Killed. 16? Okay. Are you gay? Killed. Bisexual? Killed. Childless? Killed. etc.
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I couldn't care less what their reasoning is. That is a line you don't cross no matter how horny you are or whatever your problem is.EnderJE said:
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4,892PICK3 said:
I hope I'm still around when you find out that there are lines crossed for all sorts of reasons. I can't imagine what the reason would be for this case, but I'm also not closed minded enough to not think that it doesn't exist.heatherrae said:
For example, if the Spanish allow the age of consent to be 12 and your country doesn't and you moved to Spain, you'd be the crazy lady in the back of the street trying to kill dating couples.
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The line has to be drawn somewhere. Yes, if spain had the dating age at 12 and I saw a 30 year old fucking a 12 year old, I would consider it child abuse.EnderJE said:I hope I'm still around when you find out that there are lines crossed for all sorts of reasons. I can't imagine what the reason would be for this case, but I'm also not closed minded enough to not think that it doesn't exist.
For example, if the Spanish allow the age of consent to be 12 and your country doesn't and you moved to Spain, you'd be the crazy lady in the back of the street trying to kill dating couples.
There are many areas where I am very understanding about someone's circumstances, etc, but fucking children isn't one of them.
If I ever caught anyone putting a hand on my little boy in a way that creeped me out, I would take their hand off for them.
My aunt's ex-husband asked my little sister to sit on his lap when she was about 4 and I was 16. Something about the whole scene creeped me out. I got the feeling that he was getting some sort of sexual pleasure out of it. I grabbed my little sister and punched the hell out of him and caused a pretty big scene at a family gathering. You just don't go there. Well, about a year later they got a divorce, and, surprise, surprise, he has since then done time for being a sexual predator.
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EXACTLY! me too!PICK3 said:
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As long as he is saving kids from this fate, I don't mind that he makes money while doing it.SublimeZM said:
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Lots of them make the argument of entrapment. However, in order to have entrapment you have to prove (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct.SublimeZM said:
Here, the government isn't acting. However, if I were hired to defend the men, I would try to say that the government is working so closely with these groups, that they are essentially the actors inducing the crime.
The problem here is predisposition to commit the crime. Even if inducement has been shown, a finding of predisposition is fatal to the defense of entrapment. The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant "was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime." Thus, predisposition should not be confused with intent to commit the crime. The guy can have the intent to commit the crime, yet be entrapped. Also, predisposition may exist even in the absence of prior criminal involvement. A seminal case on the issue states that "the ready commission of the criminal act," such as where a defendant promptly accepts an undercover agent's offer of an opportunity to buy or sell drugs, may in and of itself establish the predisposition of the defendant.
So, what I'm saying is that I would try to make that argument if I were the defense attorney, but it is about 95% likely to fail unless the judge was buying that the government was really just acting by and through third parties and the transcripts of the conversation really showed the guy saying that he didn't want to do it and basically taking no part of it. If you had a guy like that, he probably wouldn't show up at the house with rubbers and beer in the first place...lol.
heatherrae said:
Way to go Heather, get all technical.
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Sorry, these are the sorts of debates that make me enjoy law. Sub raised a good question.PuddleMonkey said:
If my daughter's 15 year old gf's came onto me real strong, (some of them look like women) I wouldnt fuck them (although I know they've probably been fucking for some time), but if some man does, I don't think it should be illegal at that age... It depends on the circumstances.... In Canada, they think 14 should be the age of consent, Spain 12 , here it's between 16 and 18.... I would go with the old sayin' "old enough to bleed, old enough to breathe" (j/k). I think 14 is about right, but then again it depends on the circumstances.... I wouldn't do a girl that young (If I were single), but that is just me.
Dammit biteme! Stop saying that, its not "old enough to bleed, old enough to breathe"!
Its, "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"
Ok? Ok dammit?
Its, "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"
Ok? Ok dammit?
But what we need to keep in mind here is that women are evil. Pure evil! Anything that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die is evil!!!
biteme said:
I think in this case "breed" just means fuck, not necessarily procreate.
PICK3 said:
Balls?
Where are all of these chatrooms for underage girls anyway?
I've never been into a chatroom. Someone post a link so I can see what all the fuss is about.
I think it would be very easy to sniff out a "decoy" or whatever. Most 14 year old girls on a chat log type of thing, are going to seem more grown up online especially these days and no always play so stupid about blowjobs and all of that crap and who is dumb enough to beleive that some girl who has never been fucked in her life is just going to go online and find some fat middle aged mexican to do it with. Just not beleivable at all and why would these perverts be sending pictures of their litrtle peckers anyway? again, dumb.
I've never been into a chatroom. Someone post a link so I can see what all the fuss is about.
I think it would be very easy to sniff out a "decoy" or whatever. Most 14 year old girls on a chat log type of thing, are going to seem more grown up online especially these days and no always play so stupid about blowjobs and all of that crap and who is dumb enough to beleive that some girl who has never been fucked in her life is just going to go online and find some fat middle aged mexican to do it with. Just not beleivable at all and why would these perverts be sending pictures of their litrtle peckers anyway? again, dumb.
lol @ "sexy boy"
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spoken like a true idiot.biteme said:
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markshark said:
i'm all for catching sickos before they actually commit a crime. it's called PROACTIVE not REACTIVE. Not entrapment.
Cops always come in AFTER a crime is already done. Big help then. Like I care once i'm murdered.
Some of these creeps even admit they've done this before.
This is no different than sting operations to catch drug dealers and hookers.
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You dork. The phrase is "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed." The way you say it makes no sense for what you are trying to say.biteme said:
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It isn't entrapment folks.heatherrae said:
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i thought it was old enough to bleed old enough for me?heatherrae said:
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Dammit Monkey! Stop saying that, its not "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"!PuddleMonkey said:Dammit biteme! Stop saying that, its not "old enough to bleed, old enough to breathe"!
Its, "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"
Ok? Ok dammit?
Its, "old enough to go to the store, old enough to get bread"
Ok? Ok dammit?
MichaelScott
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the tipoff is if u get offered some sweet tea and she has to finish the laundry first, at that point head for the hills lolol
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i like the big fat guys who are all sweaty and disgusting, my fave defense i heard so far is i just came by to tell her i couldnt make it over that was a classic
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yeah he was good, finally the guy who put his shirt over his head and then put his hat over it, a little late asshole lolol
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none are fair game. i never said that. im talking about predispositions and fetishes and things that people probably wish they could help but can't. i believe that it is wrong to fuck a 13 year old, but i question how wrong it really is to want to do that. perfect example: there are people who want others to shit and piss on them. then there is someone like me who thinks its disgusting. people would not secretly engage in these activities if they could help it.
heatherrae said:
ok you are going off on a tangent. i never blamed the 13 year old. i would kill a man that did that to my child. at the same time its hard for me to say that his sexual fetish is "wrong" because its something these people cant help. its the same with gays or people that like bein hung up and whipped. its not their fault they enjoy that.
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If you argue that, you wouldn't punish anyone for anything, EVER. The same argument can be made of rapists, serial killers, armed robbers, etc.markshark said:
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Being gay with someone is a consensual act between two adults.markshark said:
Raping a 13 year old girl is not.
Thinking about sex with a teen is not a crime. Going to her house to have sex with her is. They aren't punished for their fetishes. They are punished for their ACTS.
Yes, these people can control themselves. You and I control ourselves every day.
If I see a guy walking down the street and think he's hot, I don't just go up and grab him. That would be assault. We aren't cavemen/cavewomen!
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heatherrae said:
their being entrapped by usually a willing partner.
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that is not entrapment ^^^^^^ see above.heatherrae said:
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heatherrae said:
their creating a crime that didn't exist.
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that is not the definition of entrapment.
Ummmm....no, they are not MAKING them do anything. 1000 boys could tell me that they are 17 and want to fuck my brains out, and I would say no 1000 times.
Undercover stings have been ruled constitutional time and time again. If these guys did not have the predisposition to rape children, 100 undercover agents could come on to them, and they would say "Hell NO!"
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I have a fetish for breaking into your house and stealing your things. So, don't punish me. I can't help myself. It is my psychology. 
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biteme said:
nor are 10 year olds.. fuck i bang most my 10 year old cousins..
I haven't read the thread...but I think it's a bit like waving a stiff drink in front of an alcoholic. You can't really put this kind of undercover operation in the same category as other types if you accept that pedophiles have uncontrollable urges. It doesn't excuse the urges, doesn't excuse the crimes, but it's a sick thing to wave in front of their faces. Anyone ever seen "little children?" There's a man in the movie who's a pedophile...and by the end you actually end up pitying the guy because he's so clearly sick and he hates himself so much that he castrates himself.
Anyway...picture this...Joe pedophile is trying to resist his sickness...so he peruses the internet because he sees it as a harmless way to satiate his demons because he figures so long as he never meets or touches an underage child, he can avoid victimizing one. Then one comes along who WANTS to meet him....and the temptation is too much to bear. Only the boy or girl who is tempting and provoking them is really a cop.
It's easy to villianize these people. I was raped by an adult man when I was 13 and it shaped my life whether I like it or not. I've made some posts recently about feeling like I didn't really have a youth and this is part of the reason why - no child should have to see the evils of the world in such brutal fashion. Once a sick person makes the leap to a sick person who has committed a crime, all bets are off.
But who can say that all of these people arrested through these means would commit a crime if they were not taunted and teased by these fake underage characters? I don't know....so much gray area. I don't think there's any easy answer here.
Anyway...picture this...Joe pedophile is trying to resist his sickness...so he peruses the internet because he sees it as a harmless way to satiate his demons because he figures so long as he never meets or touches an underage child, he can avoid victimizing one. Then one comes along who WANTS to meet him....and the temptation is too much to bear. Only the boy or girl who is tempting and provoking them is really a cop.
It's easy to villianize these people. I was raped by an adult man when I was 13 and it shaped my life whether I like it or not. I've made some posts recently about feeling like I didn't really have a youth and this is part of the reason why - no child should have to see the evils of the world in such brutal fashion. Once a sick person makes the leap to a sick person who has committed a crime, all bets are off.
But who can say that all of these people arrested through these means would commit a crime if they were not taunted and teased by these fake underage characters? I don't know....so much gray area. I don't think there's any easy answer here.
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most of the guys are just straight up pathetic, no self esteem etc etc. i mean just look at some of the guys that show up they are hideous where are they gonna get a chick? its the guys who have careers and futures that blow my mind, i have no pity for any of them btw
heatherrae said:
again what you think an adult is does not really matter, considering each country is different. that being totally aside, i dont disagree that the act is wrong. im sure they can control themselves. but these men on this show arent the types that go out, beat a 6 year old child and rape them and then suffocate them. these are men who choose to live their unacceptable lifestyle through the internet, which is what many of those who have strange fetishes do. these men were allowed openings to engage in the acts they wanted by talking to decoys. my point is to bring up the way the actions of the host of that show portray. these men on the show are helpless to their wants, and because of that are made to look like fools and have jokes made about them by chris hensen instead of it being mainly educational. its dateline for christ sake, not stand up comedy. these men are already pathetic, and to watch a credible news show make fun of people who cannot help their disposition is what i question. at the same time, again, do i disagree with the act? of course. all i can say is one thing....many 13 through 15 year olds were having consensual sex when i was in highschool. if it is their desire to engage in such an act, is it truly the older man's fault? or anyones at all?
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Breaking and entering/theft isn't legal anywhere in the world. Consensual sex with a 16 year old is perfectly legal under US federal law...State law is a different story. Consensual sex between a 12 year old and a 40 year old is legal in Spain. Age of consent is a social construct. In Canada the age of consent is 14, maybe the dudes need to make a move to a different country. Also, pedophiles are a class of their own, people who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent individuals. That's deviant, from an evolutionary biological perspective having sexual desire for a teen, someone capable of procreating, is perfectly normal. It's the social construct that makes it deviant.heatherrae said:I have a fetish for breaking into your house and stealing your things. So, don't punish me. I can't help myself. It is my psychology.
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javaguru said:
was gonna post something similar to this but i'm not intelligent enough to make it sound so beautiful..
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