Damn it, I'm sick of this Arab-Israeli bullshit

[J-Ro]

That's false. Do some research. Numerous DNA studies have shown that the vast majority of modern Jews are the direct descendants of the Jews of ancient Israel (despite strong admixture with various host populations).

How could DNA research be done? Do they have Moses DNA on record? Jews may have kept their identity throughout time, but do you really think their bloodlines were preserved in the 3200 odd years since they've inhabited Palestine? Also, the first Hebrews to move there conquered and assimilated with the Canaanites. The Canaanites also had other tribes absorbed into them including Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. So, right of the bat, the Hebrews that moved to Palestine were not pure blood very long.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

How could DNA research be done? Do they have Moses DNA on record?

Prior to the great dispersal following the abortive rebellion of Bar Kochba in 132-5 CE, there were two classes of priests that were entrusted with the administration of religious rituals - the Kohanim and the Levites. After this mass slaughter by the Roman occupying army, there was a disruption of Jewish communal life both in the Roman province of Judea (which was renamed Syria Palestina by Hadrian in 135 CE to crush any Jewish dream of recovering their country) as well as the Jewish communities in the Diaspora. Many of the leaders of the Jewish communities belonged to these priestly castes, thus many Jews of modern times with certain names are direct descendants of the original priestly castes of the Kohanim and the Levites.

Now, taking that into account, numerous studies have been performed comparing very specific DNA markers that are typical of these groups in various Jewish populations with the DNA of modern day Lebanese, Druse, Syrians, Jordanians, and Palestinians. All of the groups compared share certain markers that are exclusive to populations originating in the eastern Mediterranean. In other words, an eastern European Jew from Poland has a lot more in common, genetically, with a Lebanese Arab than with an ethnic Pole, among whom his ancestors lived for nearly a millenium.

Jews may have kept their identity throughout time, but do you really think their bloodlines were preserved in the 3200 odd years since they've inhabited Palestine?

I never argued about the "purity" of the Jews in relation to other eastern (as well as central and western) Mediterranean populations, what I did say was that your dismissal of the Jews as merely a religious group with no concrete, i.e. biological, connection to the land of Israel is erroneous.

Also, the first Hebrews to move there conquered and assimilated with the Canaanites. The Canaanites also had other tribes absorbed into them including Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. So, right of the bat, the Hebrews that moved to Palestine were not pure blood very long.

There were many other tribal groups in Canaan when the Hebrews first moved into the area - the Philistines (an Indo-European-speaking people, no relation to the modern day Palestinians), the Arameans, as well as other non-Indo-European and non-Semitic speaking peoples.

All of the groups made war and then made love. That's what humans do - we fight, sleep, eat, and fuck.

The point I was trying to make was that the Jews are more than just a religious group, but rather a distinct ethnicity that preserved itself through its religion. That's all.

 

[MJBrack]

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[J-Ro]

In other words, an eastern European Jew from Poland has a lot more in common, genetically, with a Lebanese Arab than with an ethnic Pole, among whom his ancestors lived for nearly a millenium.

Yes, of course. When the Jews migrated out of Palestine, they largely kept their identity.

I never argued about the "purity" of the Jews in relation to other eastern (as well as central and western) Mediterranean populations

I thought you were, sorry.

There were many other tribal groups in Canaan when the Hebrews first moved into the area - the Philistines (an Indo-European-speaking people, no relation to the modern day Palestinians), the Arameans, as well as other non-Indo-European and non-Semitic speaking peoples.

All of the groups made war and then made love. That's what humans do - we fight, sleep, eat, and fuck.

Yeah, pretty much. I was just trying to make the point that many different tribes were assimilated together.

The point I was trying to make was that the Jews are more than just a religious group, but rather a distinct ethnicity that preserved itself through its religion. That's all.

I'll agree with that. The ethnicity of the Jews are well preserved. I thought you were making the point that original, preserved Hebrew blood still existed.

I guess no real argument existed here then.

 

[bstrong]

i'm israeli, and i would like to replay to some postes

the last one i've seen is titeled :
"Damn it, I'm sick of this Arab-Israeli bullshit"

and all of them blames israel the jews or what ever.

i don't hate arabs, idon't kill or inslave or drink the blood or what ever of arabs or muslims.

it seems that the last terror attact is linked to ben laden or muslim fundamentalism.

if u've ever tried to listen to ben laden u'd find that his intrest in the arab-israeli conflict is very small if at all - HE HATES AMERICANS,

why u ask- he gives several reasons;

america is every thing he hates- a modern democracy that objects to the process of fundamentalism he try to bring to several parts of this worlds.
he also issued recently a "patuaha" (i'm not sure if it's the right spell in english- but basically it's a muslim religious order) calling for war on america couse the infidels (american army is in Saudi)
had damaged the holiness of the holy cities.

this man operates and thinks in motives that the ordinary joe seems to miss concept.
i am very sorry for those that have lost there life and there families- and i wish this tragedy didn't happen- we in israel are living with this kind of terror for the last 100 years, i've fought this kind of teror and my broes have shed blood couse of it- i believe that some of it was aimed against america.
i see it as a fight between good and bad western world against fundamentalism.

again i wish to say that my heart and prayers are with the families of those who have lost there lifes, and those who are still missing- like all israelis feels, america is to my understanding a true friend of israel among nations.

 

[Jeff_rys]

Plifter are you serious?

Yessir, dem dang ol jews ain't nuttin but a bunch of baby killin terrerists. Dat gum adoof hiteler dude shood a finishd wut he startd.

Disclaimer:
For those of sub-human intellect, the above post contained sarcasm. It is not intended to be taken literally.

Still it is said. No fire without smoke.

So Israel is killing babies? What do you think the enemies of Israel do? What do you think Saddam did in Koeweit. What do you think the Belgian army did in Kongo beginning 60's?

Judes have no more fault then Palestins. Why would this upset you? You live in the states, so? If i where you i would start worrying about the future. Hopefully what happened in Manhattan will not find followers. Then maybe this happens in London, Paris, Brussels.

At least Israel is on your side. Sure the US is helping Israel, as they helped already many countries before.
Why is this you think? Because the US wants to control the world.

You say it is bad for the US to help Israel, but is was ok for the US to help Saddam in his fight against Iran. And now see what happens, Saddam turned against the US. Something Israel will never do.

It's better to have a loyal friend like Israel then some disloyals like Saddam and Bin Laden.

 

[bigdaddycool]

ok i wanna make a comment about "choosen people" shit.
Both the arabas(i think) and israelis think they ae fucking chosen people. I aint even gonna comment on the arabs...but the jews....
Soe idiot claiming why they do so good in business and god blessing them and shit....if i take that point, te chosen poeple would be AMERICANS and JAPANESE!!! I mean ook at japanese, we help israelis, year after years, make billions dollars of aid every year to them plus military help and shit. AND THEY STILL CANT PRODUCE A PRODUCT DAMN WORTH A SHIT, except military bullshit. if usa stops giving them charity, they would die like hell. U CALL THAT A CHOOSEN PEOPLE???? who are totally depend on our need, our resources and help??? and what baout japanese?? we dont help them, dont dnate them no more, and from the ahes of world war 2 they became one of the most powerful and displine nation in the world. i admit we americans helped them, but NOTHING compare to israelis. And they are more pure with their blood lines then jews for last 50000 years. So dont u think, it make more sense that japanese would be chosen people? (i aint claiming they are, but face facts here). just my comments u all. and if jews of europe think that they are the original jews, they gotta face reality, they aint, and only way u can keep the line so called pure is thru inbreeding, which would result in genetic defetcs, and if the jews has done that for last thousands of years, then they are inbreeding and have lots of genetic defect, chosen people my ass!!! ofcourse we know that they dont have defects, thats means they didnt inbreed, and that means they are not original jews which came from egypt.....jusr common sense people...and arabs..i aint even gonna comment!!!!