cycle critique (tbol, sust, proviron)

[vickrx7]

Hey guys, this will be my second cycle (first being tbol only) loved it btw, didn't get any sides and gained 20lbs, kept 15 and great strength gains....

week 1-4 Tbol 40mg ed (kickstart)
week 1-10 Sust250 1cc e5d
week 5-11 Proviron 50mg ed

possibly thinking of throwing in some winny for week 7-12

will the winny b necessary with the proviron keeping me dry?

stats
22, 5' 10" 185lbs 9-10% bf

goals
lean muscle, toned look

pct
Nolvadex 40 40 20 20

 

[vickrx7]

i would also consider dropping the proviron and running the winny 7-12 which was my original plan???
winny and proviron both seem like interesting compounds, although i do like how proviron is not as liver toxic and adds well to test
which do you think would result in a leaner look towards the end....and a keepable lean look, if i the lean hard look from winny leaves after i stop taking it, i don't really want to take it....:s

 

[sonicwaste]

I'd consider kickstarting with test prop or test suspension and tbol.

No point in my opinion of wasting the tbol when the test isn't circulating at full levels. That's just an opinion though. Stopping doing that, was one of the best decisions I ever made when designing a cycle... I think it's just a waste of AAS. Get your test levels up first thing.

 

[vickrx7]

k well i'm not too concerned about kickstarting, it's my first time pinning so i didn't really wanna have to do EoD....i'll get some more expierience first. I can wait 3 or 4 weeks....what if i were to just wait 3 weeks after 1st injection of sust to start my tbol so do

week 1-10 sust
week 4-8 tbol
and either
proviron week 8-14

i'll check out my guys prices on prop and see if i'll do that....
is prop okay to shoot e3d? or does it HAVE to be eod?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

this is a great looking 2nd cycle. Not sure what the issue is here?? You don't need Prop/Susp or anything like that. This is money.

What are you goals?

 

[needtogetaas]

Hey guys, this will be my second cycle (first being tbol only) loved it btw, didn't get any sides and gained 20lbs, kept 15 and great strength gains....

week 1-4 Tbol 40mg ed (kickstart)
week 1-10 Sust250 1cc e5d
week 5-11 Proviron 50mg ed

possibly thinking of throwing in some winny for week 7-12

will the winny b necessary with the proviron keeping me dry?

stats
22, 5' 10" 185lbs 9-10% bf

goals
lean muscle, toned look

pct
Nolvadex 40 40 20 20

weeks
1-10 sust 250 twice a week monday and thursday
1-6 tbol 40mg ed
1-10 provirone 50ed
6-10 hcgenrate 5 caps ed
10-14 unaleashed posct cycle and sustain alpha
10-14 clomid 25mg ed

I would keep letro on hand for big problems if they come up

 

[Goldprospector]

I know that my first cycle was 12 weeks of Sust 250 E5D. Had some killer gains and loved it. Just make sure your PCT is in order and it will work nicely. From my experiences, I did not think mixing different AAS gave very different results other than when I used Test/Tren combo. Now that rocked!

 

[vickrx7]

haha personally i like diamondcutcows response lmao....thanks man....

did you mean the original one with the tbol kickstart?
or wait for the sust to kick in to start the tbol??

 

[DiamondCutCows]

haha personally i like diamondcutcows response lmao....thanks man....

did you mean the original one with the tbol kickstart?
or wait for the sust to kick in to start the tbol??

Your original plan is a good one. Needto's idea is good to go as well. Running Proviron all the way thru is a solid idea.

I didn't notice your PCT the first time. go with Needto's suggestions. Hit up PCT 2010 in the search engine

 

[needtogetaas]

everyone loves the response they are looking for. No one likes the truth. Keep that it mind

 

[needtogetaas]

Your original plan is a good one. Needto's idea is good to go as well. Running Proviron all the way thru is a solid idea.

I didn't notice your PCT the first time. go with Needto's suggestions. Hit up PCT 2010 in the search engine

hit the thread taking steroids 101 at the top of this forum

 

[needtogetaas]

Your original plan is a good one. Needto's idea is good to go as well. Running Proviron all the way thru is a solid idea.

I didn't notice your PCT the first time. go with Needto's suggestions. Hit up PCT 2010 in the search engine

do not do that!!!!!!!!!!! its shitty pct advice

 

[vickrx7]

if i'm going to run proviron through the whole cycle it would cost me the same as running Masteron E 300mg ew so i would probably do that instead of proviron.....

 

[vickrx7]

this is a great looking 2nd cycle. Not sure what the issue is here?? You don't need Prop/Susp or anything like that. This is money.

What are you goals?

my goals are 20-25lbs of lean muscle if possible, i seemed to react quite well from the tbol the first time, and i've always reacted well to prohormones....mostly strength over weight though...by the end of my tbol cycle i weighed 180 and was benching 355 which i was excitied about....I'm not TOO concerned about putting weight on though, i'd much wrather be stong and lean, which from what i've read is more diet oriented...and my diet is clean and in check
2800-3200 cals e/d 250grm protein and fill in the rest with clean carbs and good fats from olvies and avacatos....dont' count the carbs yet, i will when i up the cals for during the cycle to about 3500-4000 most likely

i was considering running tren, but i have asthma so it didn't seem like a great idea...but it's cheap lol

also i was only planning on running the Tbol for 4 weeks because that's when i noticed the gains started to slow, and to run 2 more weeks of it would cost me an extra $100, so in my opinion not worth it.... I am set on running tbol w/ sust since i have tbol left over and sust250 is the cheapest test my guy has....test e and c are the same price but only 200mg/ml so ultimately more expensive
i can get TTE at a ratio of (250test-150tren) but again....asthma? so not sure
i didnt' get sides from tbol and i figured i coudl start proviron in week 4 because that's when people say sust kicks in....i didn't really wanna have to buy 2 bottles of proviron seeing as it's $150 for 100 25mg pills...and i could probably add something better to the cycle for $300 lmao

I havn't purchased anything yet and i have a friend who will purchase my extra tbol off of me if need be...so if anyone has other suggestions that go well with sust250, taking my goals into concideration ...i would really appreciate some ideas

sorry about the long post bros, didn't realize how much i was rambling haha

 

[vickrx7]

everyone loves the response they are looking for. No one likes the truth. Keep that it mind

haha tell me about it, i just liked the idea that he said i didn't need prop/susp ... really didn't want to pin eod my first time...

i would LOVE to do the cycle you suggested to me man but to be completely honest at the risk of sounding cheap...that would cost me an arm and a leg hahaha

i'm starting to feel sketchy about nolvadex as well...people sayin it's a carcinogen, and clomid has some pretty intense horror stories as well
would toremifene be a better choice?
or aromasin through full cycle instead of proviron for just 7weeks?