cutting estro fat

[macrophage69alpha]

UA is legal to be sold. Though it is sold almost exclusively through the internet and there are quite a number of adverse reactions and liver damage/failure.

UA MAY work (this is still debatable), but it is not safe. from a safety and efficacy standpoint DNP should be OTC well before Usnic or usnate. and you can by DNP legally as well.

just because no one has taken a look at UA or SU does not mean that its safe.. there are lots of herbs and lichens that can kill you.. which are sold OTC. here you have an extract of an herb that is probably fairly safe as used in its whole traditional form (which most of the research indicates), but through extraction the danger has increased considerably.. and what can only be deemed massive dosages the exact extent is unknown.

note usnea contains less than 2% usnic acid often less than 1%

 

[MrRTTB]

This is what worked for me:

Clen tapper up to start at 50mcg per day and tapper up to 160mcg and stay on for 14 days. During this time I increased cardio and lowered the time in the gym. I worked out in the gym EOD and I think that was very wise due to the fact the body will need more rest if you bump cardio.

On the OFF days from the gym:

I did one 50min walk before breakfast 5 times per week. I took half dose Clen with a stron g cup of coffee before this walk.

Before lunch I did one session for 20 minutes(very fast walk).

Before evening dinner I did one more session for 20 minutes(very fast walk).

On the gym days I took a walk for 50 minutes before breakfast.

I also used nolvadex at 20mg per day and in 4 weeks I lost almost all estrogen fat that had been stuck on my belly sionce childhood and also lower back. It went very fast and I might have lost some muscle, but muscle is easy for me to gain back, so it didn't matter that much.

When in the gym I worked on my lower back(good mornings) and lower abs every third day, and kept reps at 6-10, going heavy.

This worked for me

 

[OAKBOX]

Re: RE: Oakbox

Estro fat, white fat, brown fat..whatever...its fat...and it burns... the question was not which type of fat burns fatser or at what rate...the question was what should i do to eliminate estro fat?

Then we should change the name of this thread to, "how in the hell do I get my a2 adrenoceptor rich fat to burn stores as efficiently as high beta to alpha ratio fat." I mean "estro fat" is a generalized term used to describe the deposits of fat around certain areas like the breast, ass, and thighs. When in reality, the term "estro fat" refers to fat deposits located at a site with a high concentration of a2 adrenoceptors around those specific areas- which may or may not be triggered by estrogen alone within the system -but do appear as though they are caused by an increase or high level of estrogen due to the aforementioned location of said adrenoceptors...

1800 cal for 4 months..sheesh (not privy to your stats) seems a little low cal...i would suggest looking at your diet first..instead of resorting to what kind of drug will help...

29 YOA 6' 205lbs. 20% BF... and my diet, when I’m cutting, is tight...

remember women diet as well and can get very low bf...and they have nat ocurring estro..so there is no reason you cant..

Women diet, too? I did know that... Comon' man!
Women who:
a.) use drugs to lower estrogen or
b.) use drugs increase muscle mass/metabolism or
c.) have very little A2 adrenoceptors or block them or
d.) have excellent genetics or
e.) all of the above
can get very lean, but that does not help me... I'm not a women (no jokes please), i don't have little to no a2 adrenoceptor rich fat pockets, and I don't have excellent genetics. If I did, you and I would not be having this discussion, and I would probably be telling some poor soul [that held gut and chest fat] that they don't train hard enough or diet correctly, just like your doing to me... sheesh!

 

[OAKBOX]

Re: RE: Oakbox

Oakbox what Macro said is true..however the question was not which type of fat burns fatser or at what rate...the question was what should i do to eliminate estro fat?

BTW, if you are moderating the content on this thread, then you should make sure to tell Macro that he needs to post the pertinent information on the question at hand, as well...

 

[PRAETORIAN]

Oak

Bro...sometimes these threads can stray off topic due to eveyone trying to prove their own opinion...just trying to offer suggestions from knowledge i have gained from experience...many times people in the iron game get way too technical and dig too deep instead of just looking for the obvious! We can debate the topic of a2 fat..etc all day that doesnt help you very much! I myslef have battled estro fat for years...especially while dieting for many a contest and just in the last few years have i come across techniques that really do work...much to my delight i must say...i subscribed to the theory of a test base while dieting for over a decade and always had trouble getting down to low low bf %..3-4..and i am talking no gh...i spoke to a few ifbb pros who i consult with on a regular basis and they made a few suggestions which i tried...amazing results..i am very estro sensitive and any test even susp makes me retain plenty of h2o and prevents elimination of trouble fat area..u know what i mean...in the past few years i eliminated all tests precontest and within 4 weeks the results were astonishing to say the least(and no anti e's)...a typical precontest cycle..keep in mind i usually start 5'11 255-260(10%) depending how heavy i went in the off....tren 150 eod weeks 1-16, primo 300 mg/week 1-10, ad50 50 mg/ed 1-6, winny zambon 50mg/9-16, halo 20 mg/day 14-16...i dont use clen..i feel it isnt worth the $ for the results...i get better results from eca and t3...t3 runs weeks 8-16 25-100 mcg/day...diet consists of 1.25 g pro / lb bw, plus .5 g per lb bw fat, plus 50 g glucose post workout....every 7th day control refeed mainly 3 g/lb complex carb, plus .5 g/lb pro...these %'s are adjusted daily to keep calorie levels fluctuating...
In my trials with clients and pros as well..including females...this diet has worked wonders...the ergogens have helped to maintian muscle albeit sometimes those with gifted genetics have seen growth while calorie reduced..believe it or not...in my opinion thru all my years of training and dieting nutrition still remains top priority..the diet is the key..androgens help as well as ancillary drugs but they do not replace an incomplete diet...cardio is a must as well...a minimum 1 hr cardio/day intense ie stairclimber high level inc every 10 min...will not eat muscle tissue but will aid in fat loss dramatically...
I offer this info...use it if u like...i have transformed many a cliet into a top three minimum competitor onstage...as well as a few worldclass BB and powerliftters who have gone on to win their contests...sometimes the best advice is to keep it simple...
strict diet, tough cardio, non aromatizing androgens plus a dht derivative hardener(preferrably masteron...but goodluck..kudos if you can get..last of the mohicans if u know what i mean..winny will suffice) and an oral non aromatizing androgenm last few weeks have lead to astonishing results..give it a try you may be pleasantly surprised!
Peace bro..good luck!

 

[PRAETORIAN]

RE: macrophage69alpha

Macro, as it goes we may have to agree to disagree on the UA/DNP issue of safety. I really feel it is much too early to truly say which is safer at thie point...many a competitior has ended up in the emerg because of DNP and I am sure you could probably argue the same with UA. This is not to say that either is effective or without risk...as we all know...risk to benefit is always the question. I have experimented with both and thus i would offer my opinion as to which i think would be a wiser choice. In all honesty i do believe dramatic results can be achieved without theu se of either compounds...eca and t3 used responsibly combined with a strict diet and cardio can yield world class results. i think many people rely too heavily on fat loss aids and fail to give their diet the attention it truly deserves!

Peace
P

 

[DeepZenPill]

Re: RE: macrophage69alpha

Macro, as it goes we may have to agree to disagree on the UA/DNP issue of safety. I really feel it is much too early to truly say which is safer at thie point...many a competitior has ended up in the emerg because of DNP and I am sure you could probably argue the same with UA. This is not to say that either is effective or without risk...as we all know...risk to benefit is always the question. I have experimented with both and thus i would offer my opinion as to which i think would be a wiser choice. In all honesty i do believe dramatic results can be achieved without theu se of either compounds...eca and t3 used responsibly combined with a strict diet and cardio can yield world class results. i think many people rely too heavily on fat loss aids and fail to give their diet the attention it truly deserves!

Peace
P

Some of the stories of quick and hard liver failure resulting from UA use are hard to ignore. But you have to be weary of scare tactics that could be used as they are with ephedrine, AAS, etc. There are often complications to each of these cases, and I personally am not aware of any legitimate studies concerning the safety/effectiveness of UA. The accounts of UA related liver failure are enough to keep me away from UA use. It just hasn't been widely used enough for proper use and other neccessary supp. info to spread.

If you do a search on this board for DNP, you can find tons of info on proper supps to run with it and sane cycling recommendations so you can avoid the dangers of the drug. The same is not true for Usnic Acid though. People follow the directions and still suffer severe liver damage. The problem is people want to see big results, so they use high UA or SU doses. UA and SU require MUCH smaller doses to cause liver damage than DNP, so everyone who uses these high doses is at a much higher risk for liver damage.

Both of these drugs can potentially be deadly. But I have heard of very few people who hurt themselves using sane DNP doses. On the other hand I've seen way too many reports of people fucking themselves up with recommended "sane" UA doses.

 

[bigrand]

Isnt UA clastenogenic?.....

 

[PRAETORIAN]

DNP

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[M56M]

You can do whatever you put your mind to. Who says you can't sprint and squat on the same day? Just dig a little deeper.

As far as fat being estrogenic vs. otherwise...well, from a clinical standpoint there is a difference between brown fat and white fat, and then more subtle differences between what promotes the storage.

But if the fire is hot enough, all wood burns. Bust your ass. Forget about analyzing the fat. Just fire up those sprints and squats, cut out the sugars, lift hard, shoot gear, and fix your fucking heads to stop talking about what can't be done and just go do what needs to be done.

Fucking well put. I am going to put this in my signature, so whenever i post i read it. VERY NICE.

M56M