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confused on nolvadex

Theres been a constant and on going battle of people saying they wont run a pct without it and others saying the sides are terrible... How many guys do you know that hate winstrol because of the sides?? A lot!! I happen to love it but im lucky enough to not get the sides...
 
Yes, "no one" got gynecomastia before 1970s - this must be fact because it's posted on EF. :p Good to know that guys who actually did train at Venice beach with Arnold (in the 70s ;)) like Ric Drasin (he's 70 years old!) say otherwise.
 
Yes, "no one" got gynecomastia before 1970s - this must be fact because it's posted on EF. :p Good to know that guys who actually did train at Venice beach with Arnold (in the 70s ;)) like Ric Drasin (he's 70 years old!) say otherwise.


I love Ric Drasin's vids. I've watched a ton of them, and I like the fact that he isn't afraid to be open and talk about everything from back in the day.
 
Yes, "no one" got gynecomastia before 1970s - this must be fact because it's posted on EF. :p Good to know that guys who actually did train at Venice beach with Arnold (in the 70s ;)) like Ric Drasin (he's 70 years old!) say otherwise.

Not sure what you're saying about EF. But if you can conjure up a picture of anyone with gyno prior to 1977, I'll eat my words. Till then, I stand by them.

And if Franco knew about Nolva, why'd he get gyno? It's because no one knew about it until Dan Duchaine discovered its use for steroid using athletes in 1983.
 
Well.. what steroids were around for them back then? Test, Deca, D-Bol, Primo?

I can vouch for Dbol 110% :) and Arnold Schwarzenegger talked about using primoblan too.

The types of gear were limited, but I've heard guys at that time running 'handfuls' of dbol (like 10+!) per day and many did have gyno. Not all bodybuilders are genetically gifted like Arnold or Lou.
 
Not sure what you're saying about EF. But if you can conjure up a picture of anyone with gyno prior to 1977, I'll eat my words. Till then, I stand by them.

Yes, that's the right way to prove something, ask for picture proof from 45+ years ago.:p

I'm guessing guys with mantits didn't pose for expensive photos 50 years ago.;)

And if Franco knew about Nolva, why'd he get gyno? It's because no one knew about it until Dan Duchaine discovered its use for steroid using athletes in 1983.

Until the 10th century or so, people believe the earth was flat because no one knew about the facts; in fact, funny enough idiots still believe in unfounded stupidity to this day. There is even a Flat Earth Society that still believes the earth is flat:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
 
It takes a solid person to admit something they were preaching religiously was in fact incorrect.. And I give you props for that Dylan rather than sitting back on it and saying nothing. I'm not jumping on any wagon saying it is or isn't shit. What I will say is I have used nolva every time at 20mgs a day for as long as I felt necessary to recover. Never felt shitty, never felt depressed, and have had bloodwork done once or twice to show i had recovered fine... Nolva seems to dry me right out. I don't even use clomid most times just nolva and a cortisol blocker of some sort. ( I like rapid cuts ) I usually run 50 Mgs a day proviron also during pct ( yes shoot me everyone says it's suppressive. Doesn't suppress me ) I've used hcgenerate on cycle and liked it, ive used unleashed and liked it, and a little clen can go along ways too . post cycle I don't like I think maca fucks up my hormones, I don't like formastanzol much I think DIM fucks up my hormones, nor do I like and DAA product as it gives me a shitty stomach ( pun intended)

So you can see I think every person is individualistic in how he will respond to different chemicals , steroids ,dosage cycles and what not. The key is trial and error, bloodwork, and finding what works best for you. I ran test eq for 18 weeks a few years ago, and 4 weeks after starting pct I was ripped, horny energetic and largest I had ever been at the time, all I used was nolva. 20/20/20/20/10/10/5 .
Just my 2 cents.
 
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