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Clomid works good!

Me too. Gives me huge loads, boosts my libido, and makes my balls nice and plump. If that's not recovery then I don't know what is. It also makes my vision sparkly sometimes, which is kinda cool :p. Never get depressed on it; I get happy actually.
 
krishna said:
Me too. Gives me huge loads, boosts my libido, and makes my balls nice and plump. If that's not recovery then I don't know what is. It also makes my vision sparkly sometimes, which is kinda cool :p. Never get depressed on it; I get happy actually.
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It's not for everbody, but you have to admit it does aid in recovery despite what others may say.
 
Another prime example of something working wonders for some but can be hell for others. I personally love Clomid and would never do PCT without it.

M18
 
Primordial Performance said:
Dermacrine works good!

-Pp
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Still waiting for someone to post positive results from using Dermacrine Sustain instead of Clomid for PCT. Njmuscleguy is the only one I saw and the results were inconclusive.

I am staring at a bottle of Sustain and a bottle of Clomid. So far I'm leaning towards Clomid.
 
Stallbro said:
Still waiting for someone to post positive results from using Dermacrine Sustain instead of Clomid for PCT - post cycle therapy - . Njmuscleguy is the only one I saw and the results were inconclusive.

I am staring at a bottle of Sustain and a bottle of Clomid. So far I'm leaning towards Clomid.
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You're right, my first test was inconclusive...it showed partial recovery (I didn't give myself enough time before getting tested).... so I'm getting tested again next month. To be fair, I have a rough time recovering to "normal" test levels regardless of what I use. So if my next test comes out favorable, Sustain will be a no-brainer for me.

Even if Sustain recovers me to the same level as Clomid, at least I feel much much better while using Sustain. This is the first and only PCT during which I didn't feel like hammered hell... quite the opposite actually. I can also say that a bunch of other guys on here are reporting the same thing. (Spywizard, Vascularfreak, Stryker1992, etc.) Hopefully they will confirm with bloodwork.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Stallbro said:
Still waiting for someone to post positive results from using Dermacrine Sustain instead of Clomid for PCT - post cycle therapy - . Njmuscleguy is the only one I saw and the results were inconclusive.

I am staring at a bottle of Sustain and a bottle of Clomid. So far I'm leaning towards Clomid.
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Your using clomid and sustain together so how would you know the clomid is working better? :worried:

I think clomid/nolva will work fine for restoring test levels, I just don’t like their side effects. Even if you don’t notice the reduction in sex drive, blurred vision or emotional issues, they are still very toxic.

Anyway, carry on.

-Pp
 
I don't think most people are arguing whether or not clomid works (well, it didn't for me, but that's my problem).... sure it works, sure it's cheaper... but those side effects! Most people would say D-N-P is killer for losing weight/fat... but at what cost?? If you don't get side effects from clomid or nolva, more power to ya!

I just like knowing that there is a safe, more natural, alternative that works just as well (if not better for some)... even if it is more expensive. I think this is just a silly argument.
 
njmuscleguy said:
I don't think most people are arguing whether or not clomid works (well, it didn't for me, but that's my problem).... sure it works, sure it's cheaper... but those side effects! Most people would say D-N-P is killer for losing weight/fat... but at what cost?? If you don't get side effects from clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , more power to ya!

I just like knowing that there is a safe, more natural, alternative that works just as well (if not better for some)... even if it is more expensive. I think this is just a silly argument.
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first bro, how do you know it is completely safe?

second, How do you know its "natural"?

third, there is no way in hell you can compare the sides of DNP to the sides of clomid. Also, the sides of clomid are mainly obtained when running 100, 200, and 300mg doses of clo. if ran properly those sides are diminished greatly.


oh and I can get clomid for 5 cycles for about 65 bucks.
 
Primordial Performance said:
Your using clomid and sustain together so how would you know the clomid is working better? :worried:

I think clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - will work fine for restoring test levels, I just don’t like their side effects. Even if you don’t notice the reduction in sex drive, blurred vision or emotional issues, they are still very toxic.

Anyway, carry on.

-Pp
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I haven't taken them yet. I have them ready for PCT. I wanted to use the Sustain only but I'm getting strong advice to not risk recovery and just use the Clomid. I need someone other than njmuscleguy to post positive results!
 
clomid good stuff. i ran 50mg ed straight through with some hcg at beginning. only thing i noticed was increased emotional state at sometimes, a handful of times that is when i got really fucking baked i could notice it was working, also towards the end had some depressive feelings couple times. it worked though.
 
GymIntensity said:
njmuscleguy said:
I don't think most people are arguing whether or not clomid works QUOTE]


this guy is.



http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/clomid-big-lie-549846.html
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Uh oh, I've entered enemy territory -- land of the Clomiphine lovers.

I never intended to suggest Clomid doesn't work for EVERYONE. But it sure as hell doesn;'t work for a lot of people. That's a given -- though a few years ago it was regarded as a sure fire cure.

I also question a lot of the research because it's sketchy, contradictory and often incomplete, yet adex has been shown to work at least as well with less sides, yet adex is often discouraged PCT. That makes no sense. It's just another example of how a tenet gets spread.

As far as "big loads", I'll concede, though I always noticed a decrease in semenal volume. Who knows, maybe it has an opposite effect on others . You also can't discount the power of placebo.

Clomid is simply a nasty drug that is, at best, hit or miss. As mentioned, everyone who has uses adex along with either the UNLEASHED/POST CYCLE or Dermacrine has recovered perfectly without the unhealthy side effects. That's all.
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GymIntensity said:
first bro, how do you know it is completely safe?

second, How do you know its "natural"?

third, there is no way in hell you can compare the sides of dnp - dinitrophenol - to the sides of clomid. Also, the sides of clomid are mainly obtained when running 100, 200, and 300mg doses of clo. if ran properly those sides are diminished greatly.


oh and I can get clomid for 5 cycles for about 65 bucks.
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I don't know that it's completely safe... for that matter, how do I know that any pill I pop is completely safe? Look at all the FDA-approved drugs that are being questioned or recalled lately. Derma's ingredients: Chrysin, benzoflavone, resveratrol... Chrysin has been around for YEARS.. have you heard of anyone having a bad run-in with it? Resveratrol comes from grape skin extract... I don't see a problem there... benzoflavones are not toxic either to my knowledge. So I was happy to take my chances with this. Other than "it works", how much do you know about clomid? Is it toxic at all?

As for being "natural", I wasn't citing any one product in particular, I just said I would prefer if there was a more natural approach to P-C-T. And for the record, the ingredients in "that product" are derived from plants if I'm not mistaken. Not that it makes it any safer, but that sounds more natural to me.

Finally, I'm not saying the sides of clomid are the same or worse than D-N-P... point is, if something is going to give me some pretty bad sides, I won't use it unless my life depended on it. Even at 50mg, clomid was giving me abdominal pain that had me doubling-over sometimes... I even had to get an ultra sounds to figure out what the hell was going on. On top of that, I didn't recover! I've used clomid half-dozen times... just didn't do it for me. Guess I'm just a freak.

I think everyone is getting into a tizzy over nothing... if clomid works for you, fantastic! I'm not forcing you to stop using it... I don't have any agenda by trying to sell you an alternative supplement, etc. But if there are other approaches that *may* be just as effective, why shouldn't people try them without getting any heat for it?
 
GymIntensity said:
first bro, how do you know it is completely safe?







Protein Factory's POST CYCLE (I have to say Protein Factory otherwise it gets confusing) contains Chrysin and Calcium D Glucarate. Do a search -- both are perfectly safe, natural and health enhancing.

Hey, as njmuscleguy says, if you love Clomid, knock yourself out, but there are better ways for those who are either non responders or those more concerned with the possible side effects down the road.
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Stallbro said:
I haven't taken them yet. I have them ready for PCT - post cycle therapy - . I wanted to use the Sustain only but I'm getting strong advice to not risk recovery and just use the Clomid. I need someone other than njmuscleguy to post positive results!
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What kind of results are you looking for? bloodwork? Or just testimonials? I can think of a handful of guys on here that have used it with good results. You're a plat member... do a search for their threads: Spywizard, gjohnson5, ricanx99, Glen, D_Mac, Stryker1992, mm107, vascularfreak. Some pretty good bro's there... I'd trust their judgement enough to give it a shot.
 
njmuscleguy said:
What kind of results are you looking for? bloodwork? Or just testimonials? I can think of a handful of guys on here that have used it with good results. You're a plat member... do a search for their threads: Spywizard, gjohnson5, ricanx99, Glen, D_Mac, Stryker1992, mm107, vascularfreak. Some pretty good bro's there... I'd trust their judgement enough to give it a shot.
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I have been following the sustain threads very closely. Most of the guys you mention may have tried it and commented on it but I don't believe any of them tried a Sustain-only PCT like you did. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
If Clomid + HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - doesn't work for you, then I can see trying something else.

If it does, then there's no way I'd spend a shitload more money on something that I'm not sure if it would even work. Especially when the creator of the product is the main person telling me that it would work.
 
Both clomid and nolva are carcinogenic, teratogenic, hepatotoxic, and ocular toxic. They are inherently poisons, yet 99% of guys think they are completely safe. They certainly work fine for PCT, but they are not “safe” by any means – whether or not you notice negative side effects. I guess you really have to weigh the true risks.

Our product is for guys that want at alternate route. The ingredients are natural, and they are safe. Hell, the research even says these compounds will extend your life, and prevent cancer (rather than cause it).

Anecdotal reports have been very positive (we also have logs on meso and OLM). I get PMs from guys who tell me they loved the product, but wont post positive results on open forum cause they don’t want to get accused of “selling out” or getting “paid off” to say good things.

Stallbro, you wont be disappointed bro.

-Pp
 
xrsist said:
http://www.youporn.com/watch/10712

yep clomid works really well^
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That was bogus. However, this is truly astonishing. WARNING: VERY VERY EXPLICIT MATERIAL!!!

http://www.peternorth.com/best_cumshots.php?clip_id=859

And it ain't from Clomid.

BTW: I'm not promoting POST CYCLE because it's my product. It's my product because I've been recommeneding the ingredients for years because they work every time. Do a search on UNLEASHED and Protein Factory POST CYCLE. And I'd still rather see people use Derma, even though it's not my product, because Clomid is not as safe as everyone thinks.
 
Clomid may work, but the sides can fuck your life up.. But its kinda how life is , maybe even a sort of karma .. You cheat with aas to get gains and you feel good , but you pay for it in the end post cycle .. Maybe the best thing to say is suck it up.. or dont do AAS.. I know when I'm on a cycle i dont think too much of how im gonna will off, but when i hit up the clomid or the crash stage, life sucks ..
 
njmuscleguy said:
I don't think most people are arguing whether or not clomid works (well, it didn't for me, but that's my problem).... sure it works, sure it's cheaper... but those side effects! Most people would say D-N-P is killer for losing weight/fat... but at what cost?? If you don't get side effects from clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , more power to ya!

I just like knowing that there is a safe, more natural, alternative that works just as well (if not better for some)... even if it is more expensive. I think this is just a silly argument.
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It's not an argument; I was simply pointing out that it works good. I didn't even bash other products to try and make my case like those who advocate whatever shit their endorsing or selling.

Any damage from clomid that I've ever seen published wias with extremely high amounts. I'm sure this is the case with most things you take, even your so called natural remedy.

CLOMID FUCKIN RULES! I see a lot of people are agreeing with me. Of course the ones who are selling or endorsing their "natural" product won't.
 
Stallbro said:
Still waiting for someone to post positive results from using Dermacrine Sustain instead of Clomid for PCT - post cycle therapy - . Njmuscleguy is the only one I saw and the results were inconclusive.

I am staring at a bottle of Sustain and a bottle of Clomid. So far I'm leaning towards Clomid.
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...after-test-results-oooo-yaaa-baby-537359.html

there this is derma reg and derma sustain is even better for pct....thank me later.

after a long tes/deca/dbol cycle my test levels were very very low and my estro was estremly high.after derma test was back to mid normal,estro was normal and dhea was high.now let the haters pic it apart with there dah it only test for e-1 lmao or some other lame shit.cold hard facts right there plain
and simple derma works.nuff said.
 
do a search on it for all you new guys....look up clomid sides.....

Acute abdomen, appetite increase, constipation, dermatitis or rash, depression, diarrhea, dizziness, fatigue, hair loss/dry hair, increased urinary frequency/volume, insomnia, light-headedness, nervous tension, weight gain/loss,Ovarian cancer in women o ya that always good,

Dermatologic: Acne, allergic reaction, erythema, erythema multiforme, erythema nodosum, hypertrichosis, pruritus

Central Nervous System: Migraine headache, paresthesia, seizure, stroke, syncope

Psychiatric: Anxiety, irritability, mood changes, psychosis


this stuff happens often
Visual Disorders: Abnormal accommodation, cataract, eye pain, macular edema, optic neuritis, photopsia, posterior vitreous detachment, retinal hemorrhage, retinal thrombosis, retinal vascular spasm, temporary loss of vision

Cardiovascular: Arrhythmia, chest pain, edema, hypertension, palpitation, phlebitis, pulmonary embolism, shortness of breath, tachycardia, thrombophlebitis

Musculoskeletal: Arthralgia, back pain, myalgia

Hepatic: Transaminases increased, hepatitis

Neoplasms: Liver (hepatic hemangiosarcoma, liver cell adenoma, hepatocellular carcinoma); breast (fibrocystic disease, breast carcinoma); endometrium (endometrial carcinoma); nervous system (astrocytoma, pituitary tumor, prolactinoma, neurofibromatosis, glioblastoma multiforme, brain abcess); ovary (luteoma of pregnancy, dermoid cyst of the ovary, ovarian carcinoma); trophoblastic (hydatiform mole, choriocarcinoma); miscellaneous (melanoma, myeloma, perianal cysts, renal cell carcinoma, Hodgkin's lymphoma, tongue carcinoma, bladder carcinoma); and neoplasms of offspring (neuroectodermal tumor, thyroid tumor, hepatoblastoma, lymphocytic leukemia)

Body as a Whole: Fever, tinnitus, weakness

Other: Leukocytosis, th roid disorder.

children of women that have taken clomid...just for the fun of it.

Fetal/Neoastal Anomalies

The following fetal abnormalities have also been reported during postmarketing surveillance: delayed development; abnormal bone development including skeletal malformations of the skull, face, nasal passages, jaw, hand, limb (ectromelia including amelia, hemimelia, and phocomelia), foot, and joints; tissue malformations including imperforate anus, tracheoesophageal fistula, diaphragmatic hernia, renal agenesis and dysgenesis, and malformations of the eye and lens (cataract), ear, lung, heart (ventricular septal defect and tetralogy of Fallot), and genitalia; as well as dwarfism, deafness, mental retardation, chromosomal disorders, and neural tube defects (including anencephaly).





but hell ya its great stuff lmao go for it.fuck that I am all don with it.
 
krishna said:
That's all. :p
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Clomid is good stuff. I will always use it for pee cee tee
I am going to try this Derma Sustain that was sent to tha lab for research purposes courtesy of Pp. Gotta read the directions something like 50 pumps e,d or somethin like that :worried:
 
DBBT said:
Clomid is good stuff. I will always use it for pee cee tee
I am going to try this Derma Sustain that was sent to tha lab for research purposes courtesy of Pp. Gotta read the directions something like 50 pumps e,d or somethin like that :worried:
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you mean 30-40 spray...if using the pump its 3-5 pumps :)
 
krishna said:
It's not an argument; I was simply pointing out that it works good. I didn't even bash other products to try and make my case like those who advocate whatever shit their endorsing or selling.

Any damage from clomid that I've ever seen published wias with extremely high amounts. I'm sure this is the case with most things you take, even your so called natural remedy.

CLOMID FUCKIN RULES! I see a lot of people are agreeing with me. Of course the ones who are selling or endorsing their "natural" product won't.
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Agreed...and I was doing the same.... again, I'm not selling anything... I get nothing for "endorsing" any products... I've given my opinions freely in the past, both good and bad, about various products, all based on personal experience. I just tell it like it is. Of course the proprietors of a product have something to gain by knocking what's tried and true.... I don't.
 
needtogetaas said:
do a search on it for all you new guys....look up clomid sides.....

Acute abdomen, appetite increase, constipation, dermatitis or rash, depression, diarrhea, dizziness, fatigue, hair loss/dry hair, increased urinary frequency/volume, insomnia, light-headedness, nervous tension, weight gain/loss,Ovarian cancer in women o ya that always good,

Dermatologic: Acne, allergic reaction, erythema, erythema multiforme, erythema nodosum, hypertrichosis, pruritus

Central Nervous System: Migraine headache, paresthesia, seizure, stroke, syncope

Psychiatric: Anxiety, irritability, mood changes, psychosis


this stuff happens often
Visual Disorders: Abnormal accommodation, cataract, eye pain, macular edema, optic neuritis, photopsia, posterior vitreous detachment, retinal hemorrhage, retinal thrombosis, retinal vascular spasm, temporary loss of vision

Cardiovascular: Arrhythmia, chest pain, edema, hypertension, palpitation, phlebitis, pulmonary embolism, shortness of breath, tachycardia, thrombophlebitis

Musculoskeletal: Arthralgia, back pain, myalgia

Hepatic: Transaminases increased, hepatitis

Neoplasms: Liver (hepatic hemangiosarcoma, liver cell adenoma, hepatocellular carcinoma); breast (fibrocystic disease, breast carcinoma); endometrium (endometrial carcinoma); nervous system (astrocytoma, pituitary tumor, prolactinoma, neurofibromatosis, glioblastoma multiforme, brain abcess); ovary (luteoma of pregnancy, dermoid cyst of the ovary, ovarian carcinoma); trophoblastic (hydatiform mole, choriocarcinoma); miscellaneous (melanoma, myeloma, perianal cysts, renal cell carcinoma, Hodgkin's lymphoma, tongue carcinoma, bladder carcinoma); and neoplasms of offspring (neuroectodermal tumor, thyroid tumor, hepatoblastoma, lymphocytic leukemia)

Body as a Whole: Fever, tinnitus, weakness

Other: Leukocytosis, th roid disorder.

children of women that have taken clomid...just for the fun of it.

Fetal/Neoastal Anomalies

The following fetal abnormalities have also been reported during postmarketing surveillance: delayed development; abnormal bone development including skeletal malformations of the skull, face, nasal passages, jaw, hand, limb (ectromelia including amelia, hemimelia, and phocomelia), foot, and joints; tissue malformations including imperforate anus, tracheoesophageal fistula, diaphragmatic hernia, renal agenesis and dysgenesis, and malformations of the eye and lens (cataract), ear, lung, heart (ventricular septal defect and tetralogy of Fallot), and genitalia; as well as dwarfism, deafness, mental retardation, chromosomal disorders, and neural tube defects (including anencephaly).





but hell ya its great stuff lmao go for it.fuck that I am all don with it.
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Great post.

And a heads up to newbies. Try clomid and it MAY work, or you may be severely fucked. Go with the safer bet.

Come on, I know there are lots of bros who had succes with UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE! How about chiming in!
 
Nelson Montana said:
Great post.

And a heads up to newbies. Try clomid and it MAY work, or you may be severely fucked. Go with the safer bet.

Come on, I know there are lots of bros who had succes with UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE! How about chiming in!
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cough medicine can give you half of those sides. the other half I never got one single side while using clomid. nice scare tactics tho
 
GymIntensity said:
cough medicine can give you half of those sides. the other half I never got one single side while using clomid. nice scare tactics tho
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can it.good thing I dont use that ether.they really should take it off the market then.I herd you have to be 18 now to buy it.
 
GymIntensity said:
cough medicine can give you half of those sides. the other half I never got one single side while using clomid. nice scare tactics tho
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What the hell happened to EF? Seems like it's just one big advertisement now-a-days. Where did all the old school mofos go?
 
krishna said:
What the hell happened to EF? Seems like it's just one big advertisement now-a-days. Where did all the old school mofos go?
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not really sure bro. there are a few good bros of us left. I know where they went. I'm going to hit u up with some karma so check it out. K
 
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