Clomid Strategy

[strong island]

Right now I am tediously planning my first cycle in four years. I couldn't have done it without EF. I believe the most important part of a cycle is the end. If I do not keep most of my gains I will consider the cycle a failure.

Clomid is the key. But when to start is still shady to me. I have read a very informative post about clomid which states to start clomid 3 weeks after Equipoise and 2 weeks after Enanthate. This type of blanket treatment does not make sense to me. I think the amount of blood levels after the last shot must be taken into consideration.

For example a large doser of EQ might have 3000 mg in his body as of the last shot...and a low doser might have 1000 mg.

After 21 days, the large doser still has 1242 mg of EQ in his body.
The small doser only has 414 mg of EQ.


The following charts show the levels after 21 days for EQ and 14 days for Enanthate.

EQ Chart

after last shot***Time******Half-Life*****Level
3000***********21*********16.5*******1242
1800***********21*********16.5*******745
1000***********21*********16.5*******414
500************21*********16.5*******207

Enanthate Chart

after last shot***Time******Half-Life*****Level
3000***********14*********10.5*******1191
1800***********14*********10.5*******714
1000***********14*********10.5*******397
500************14*********10.5*******198

I read on anabolic extreme that to get an approximation of half life for an ester, you take the number of carbon atoms and multiply by 1.5 days.

Enanthate has 7 Carbons (7 x 1.5 = 10.5 days)
Undecanoate has 11 Carbons (11 x 1.5 = 16.5)

The equation to find the levels at any given day is:

x = I x [.5^(T/H)]

I = Initial dosage (use blood level at last shot)
T = Day you are trying to figure out.
H = Half-life

example:
Half life of 1000 Enanthate after 21 days (2 half lives) should be 250.

x = 1000 x [.5^(21/10.5)]

x = 250

What is an appropriate level to start clomid?

Should I just start 3 weeks after last EQ shot?

Or should levels be closer to "natural levels"?

I think I read a post a few weeks ago which mentioned a test I could purchase to test blood levels after the cycle to aid in clomid therapy.

Could any vets help out?

 

[Bill W]

The best question I have seen in some time. Bump.

 

[doubles1]

i'd like to know as well....

and what bout clomid therapy for testosterona by eloffer when to start that 3 weeks after last shot?

 

[rodd45]

What about sustanon/deca

I am doing sus/deca, how long after would be a good time for clomid ? I thought three weeks.

 

[argent]

I was wondering the same thing not to long ago. My personal conclusion was that the "rules of thumb" for when to start clomid therapy were based off of common doasges, probably between 200mg-600mg for deca and EQ. That is what I hypothesized on my own. I would really like to see someone with a little more knowledge address this though.

 

[genarr3]

I was wondering the same thing not to long ago. My personal conclusion was that the "rules of thumb" for when to start clomid therapy were based off of common doasges, probably between 200mg-600mg for deca and EQ. That is what I hypothesized on my own. I would really like to see someone with a little more knowledge address this though.

This is what I'm thinking too. And this is the best question I've seen in awhile. Keep it bumped up for one of the resident Chemists to see.

 

[strong island]

Here is chart of the EQ part of my upcoming cycle.

21 days after my last shot, levels are at 768.

 

[Bar Room Hero]

Re: What about sustanon/deca

I am doing sus/deca, how long after would be a good time for clomid ? I thought three weeks.

Yeah, three weeks for the deca.

 

[M56M]

bump....

Great question.

M56M

 

[strong island]

bump