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Clomid and spermatogenesis WHILE ON
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GoldenDelicious
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ah dammit i cant be bothered anymore, just use some HCG while on to get your sperm levels up and your girl preggers, and thats that
hcg will certainly do it.
cheers
hcg will certainly do it.
cheers
GoldenDelicious said:
If I decide to stay on for an extended period of time on this one I don't want to rely on HCG...I was hoping clomid used in this fashion might illicit the response I was looking for
I guess there is only one way to find out definitively....
TheRide
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The Terminator said:If I decide to stay on for an extended period of time on this one I don't want to rely on HCG...I was hoping clomid used in this fashion might illicit the response I was looking for
I guess there is only one way to find out definitively....
I was just discussing this same topic w/Carth. Bumping this for more info.
Clomid or HCG during a cycle? Input please.
TheRide said:
It must be an effective combo
I am convinced at the very least helps increase sperm production, (though that is still ALL speculatory on my part).
I know..or should I say knew, of an old vet. Guy was 42 years old. He had a good physique and always competed. Every cycle he did he ALWAYS used Clomid at 50mg's EOD to keep his nuts and test levels in check. Never used HCG until the end of cycles along with the usual PCT. He never used Adex. He simply said that he didn't like it. That there was no need for anti-aromatase! He said..."the BB's of 10, 20 ,30 years ago didn't have shit like this and they still acheieved looks that guys of today want so bad". True huh? The only anti estro combo he like to use at all times Proviron along with Comid at 50mg's EOD. The clomid was used as an anti estro and to keep the nuts and test in check. He would only keep nolva in hand at the first sign of tiny bit of gyno. But would only use 10mg's the most! I remember one of his bulking cycles. And believe me! This guy was huge and in good shape! Even better for the competition. His 12 week bulking cycle was the following....
weeks 1-12 Cypionat at 400mg's per week
EQ at 600mgs per week
Proviron at 75mg's per day
Clomid at 50mg's EOD
GH at 6 ius per day
Insulin at only 4 ius PWO w/ 2 ius of the GH
This MOFO was huge!!! He was 5' 10" and weighed in at 225lbs and lean! See, I don't understand why this guy never used HCG during cycles. Yet over the past few months I learned not only from this forum but others that nobody uses Clomid at 50mg's EOD. Yet back in the days...I knew that he and many other guys around here did that. And they were all very knowledgabe vets that always did competitions. What would be so wrong with using Clomid at 50mg's EOD during a cycle? Is it because it add estro into the body?
weeks 1-12 Cypionat at 400mg's per week
EQ at 600mgs per week
Proviron at 75mg's per day
Clomid at 50mg's EOD
GH at 6 ius per day
Insulin at only 4 ius PWO w/ 2 ius of the GH
This MOFO was huge!!! He was 5' 10" and weighed in at 225lbs and lean! See, I don't understand why this guy never used HCG during cycles. Yet over the past few months I learned not only from this forum but others that nobody uses Clomid at 50mg's EOD. Yet back in the days...I knew that he and many other guys around here did that. And they were all very knowledgabe vets that always did competitions. What would be so wrong with using Clomid at 50mg's EOD during a cycle? Is it because it add estro into the body?
Carth said:
The use of clomid DURING cycles is NOT to try and keep testosterone levels functioning....
I use it for increasing the chances of conception via increased sperm production and mobility.
In an androgen rich environment (i.e. a cycle) the androgen levels are too high for clomid to illicit its desired effect of restoring natural test at that point...
Its only good IMO on cycle to help with conception
That's it? I don't think this is what this guy used it for. He was already a 42 year old man with 3 kids. And I sure as hell don't want any of my own.
Carth said:
That is why this thread was posted in the first place
But using clomid in a supraphysiological androgen rich environment will NOT illicit the response you are hoping for (i.e. keeping natural test functioning)....
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