Cardio, yes or no while on??

[splperformance]

I'm sure this has been done before but I haven't seen any threads in a while and i'm curious as to everyone's opinion of cardio while "ON"...let me know what you do and why...

personally, i do 45 minutes per day 6x per week minimum off juice and especially while "ON"...i'm not a big fan of bloating/blowing up...i like the leaner look myself...

5'11 235lbs. 18% BF (abs are always my problem cuz of those damn carbs)

cardio training: all in the am, 6am to be exact, on an empty stomach
M-F
30 minutes eliptical trainer
15 minutes stair master
15-30 treadmill - medium jog at speed 5.5
i alternate between the treadmill and eliptical

Saturday
1 hour minimum - racquetball followed by stairmaster for 15 minutes

 

[*The_West*]

that is a shit load of cardio, you do all that and still have 18% bf?

 

[splperformance]

that is a shit load of cardio, you do all that and still have 18% bf?

i eat clean but i have 2 cheat days per week...them carbs man, they kill me...but i only started uping my cardio to this amount the last 3 months or so to get rid of that extra BF...b4 that, it was very minimal, like 20 min. maybe 2-3x per week

 

[*The_West*]

there you go, if you seriously want to burn that fat lose your 2 cheat days. imo, the two best forms of cardio, losing fat/getting fit/whatever-running in the am before breakgast followed by bag work later in the day, seriously, bag work is the shit, what other cardio are you increasing strength, endurance and flexibilty whilst burning off fat? it is a very intense form of cardio if you do it right.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

It might be better to get the cheat days down to one cheat meal per week not 2 days. You could do a lot less cardio AND have better results. Post up your diet so we can help you better.

 

[splperformance]

occasionally i'll sub the oatmeal for 3 eggs but other than that, the diet looks the same almost everyday except for my 2 cheats days

M/T/TH/F/Sunday
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - grilled chicken (8oz)
snack - banana
dinner - grilled chicken or steak (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Wed.
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - cheeseburger (93/7 lean meat)
snack - banana
dinner - grilled chicken or steak burrito (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Saturday
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - 3 slices pepperoni pizza
snack - banana
dinner - buffalo grilled chicken (8oz)
snack - protein shake

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

occasionally i'll sub the oatmeal for 3 eggs but other than that, the diet looks the same almost everyday except for my 2 cheats days

M/T/TH/F/Sunday
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - grilled chicken (8oz)
snack - banana
dinner - grilled chicken or steak (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Wed.
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - cheeseburger (93/7 lean meat)
snack - banana
dinner - grilled chicken or steak burrito (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Saturday
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - 3 slices pepperoni pizza
snack - banana
dinner - buffalo grilled chicken (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Well you already know this but the pizza, cheesburger, burrito and buffalo chicken aren't helping. I would also drop the bagels. You might want to post this in the diet section for help. Personally, you need to get this cleaned up in order to drop BF. Diet is 80% of everything no matter how much cardio you're doing.

You also might want to look into Needto's cookbook for some ideas.

 

[splperformance]

Well you already know this but the pizza, cheesburger, burrito and buffalo chicken aren't helping. I would also drop the bagels. You might want to post this in the diet section for help. Personally, you need to get this cleaned up in order to drop BF. Diet is 80% of everything no matter how much cardio you're doing.

You also might want to look into Needto's cookbook for some ideas.

i know the diet isn't perfect but i also know it never will be either...my lifestyle is crazy with my jobs so eating as good as I do is a very big plus...but when compared, my snack foods aren't that bad...pizza and the cheese for the burrito yes...but cheeseburger is lean (93/7) and cooked on a foreman grill to release even more fat juices and my buffalo chicken is just grilled chicken with a little buffalo sauce to dip into for flavor...bagels are wheat and eaten in the morning so they get burned off pretty quick...

but going from almost 40% BF a few years back to 18% is a huge drop and success if I do say so myself...but i do appreciate all the info and help and im actually surprised that more people haven't said HELL NO to the cardio on the poll

 

[*The_West*]

i know the diet isn't perfect but i also know it never will be either...my lifestyle is crazy with my jobs so eating as good as I do is a very big plus...but when compared, my snack foods aren't that bad...pizza and the cheese for the burrito yes...but cheeseburger is lean (93/7) and cooked on a foreman grill to release even more fat juices and my buffalo chicken is just grilled chicken with a little buffalo sauce to dip into for flavor...bagels are wheat and eaten in the morning so they get burned off pretty quick...

but going from almost 40% BF a few years back to 18% is a huge drop and success if I do say so myself...but i do appreciate all the info and help and im actually surprised that more people haven't said HELL NO to the cardio on the poll

i would imagine that is because the majority of people here know that it is a case of over all health rather than, fuck it i just want huge muscles.
going from 40% is a fantastic achievement, you should be damn proud of yourself. it is the last bit of weight that will always be a tricky little fucker to get rid of, but keep up the hard work, continue working on your diet and im sure you will get there. more power to ya bro.

 

[Ibuprofen]

man, all you have to do is go on 1500 calorie low carb restricted diet with cardio for a month and you'll be below 10% and not have to worry about it again. Then just eat like you do maintain the new bodyfat level.

Just dont eat carbs or alcohol for one month and touigh it out. The time will pass and you will be lean. It's easy, just have to convince yourself mentally. And if you use tren at the same time. Well, its guaranteed

 

[*The_West*]

drugs dont guarantee a thing

 

[Ibuprofen]

drugs dont guarantee a thing

Drugs are a bogeyman word, let's call them :molecules that turn keys in the human body:. Then follow the boilogical trail of crumbs as to the results.

The molecule of trenbolone acetate has some guaranteed effects on the human body. Increase nitrogen retention (musclebuilding) and lipolysis (fat burning). Combined with a diet of adequate protein and devoid of preferred energy source carbs (over one's own bodyfat) then a biological specimen, be it a rat or a retard will be guaranteed to lose large amounts of grease and increase nitrogen
If you need anything else spelled out for you, let me know

 

[*The_West*]

dont get cheeky with me you smarmy twat. with your silly little emoticons.

 

[bigpimpin25]

Drugs are a bogeyman word, let's call them :molecules that turn keys in the human body:. Then follow the boilogical trail of crumbs as to the results.

The molecule of trenbolone acetate has some guaranteed effects on the human body. Increase nitrogen retention (musclebuilding) and lipolysis (fat burning). Combined with a diet of adequate protein and devoid of preferred energy source carbs (over one's own bodyfat) then a biological specimen, be it a rat or a retard will be guaranteed to lose large amounts of grease and increase nitrogen
If you need anything else spelled out for you, let me know

smart man , u def. know ur shit bro. i'll be sure to PM u if i have any questions about stuff

 

[gjohnson5]

gear is anti catabolic , so doing cardio shouldn't hurt gains

 

[splperformance]

i would imagine that is because the majority of people here know that it is a case of over all health rather than, fuck it i just want huge muscles.
going from 40% is a fantastic achievement, you should be damn proud of yourself. it is the last bit of weight that will always be a tricky little fucker to get rid of, but keep up the hard work, continue working on your diet and im sure you will get there. more power to ya bro.

yea, after my motorcycle accident I couldn't move for a month and a half from being bandaged up from almost head to toe and then with my injuries i didn't see the inside of a gym for almost a year...needless to say, i got fat, which was something new and not very enjoyable for me, so i've plowed it down to where i'm at now...and yes, you are right...those last pounds down in my midsection are a bitch to come off but eventually, i know they'll get there...

but i do have to say this...with the type of work i do (both on the job and physically in the gym), i have a strange feeling i'd keel over on 1500 calories a day...i think i'd much rather lose the last % of weight over time instead of overnight, this way i'd be able to maintain it and keep it off, not to mention, keeping myself out of the hospital...i like sticking people with IV's not getting them

 

[Megalomaniac]

I have to do some cardio while on or I won't be able to get out of bed without breathing heavy. Speaking of can some one come over and help roll me out!

 

[splperformance]

I have to do some cardio while on or I won't be able to get out of bed without breathing heavy. Speaking of can some one come over and help roll me out!

lol...you need one of those old fart beds that i used to see on TV that with the push of a button can tilt forward and help your lazy ass plop onto the floor then again, i think i wanna get one of those cuz my pregnant g/f has a bitch of a time rolling out of bed most of the time

 

[Ibuprofen]

lol...you need one of those old fart beds that i used to see on TV that with the push of a button can tilt forward and help your lazy ass plop onto the floor then again, i think i wanna get one of those cuz my pregnant g/f has a bitch of a time rolling out of bed most of the time

lol, tell me about it, I have to use both hands to push her out of my bed when you are at work

 

[Beachboy6294]

I have to do some cardio while on or I won't be able to get out of bed without breathing heavy. Speaking of can some one come over and help roll me out!

I hear ya if I don't do cardio while on I have trouble getting in and out of my truck!!

 

[splperformance]

lol, tell me about it, I have to use both hands to push her out of my bed when you are at work

a smart ass newby...good to see you have a sense of humor...PS...my girl loves to castrate lil dingys...but dont worry...her machete is really sharp so it'll be painless hahaha

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

i know the diet isn't perfect but i also know it never will be either...my lifestyle is crazy with my jobs so eating as good as I do is a very big plus...but when compared, my snack foods aren't that bad...pizza and the cheese for the burrito yes...but cheeseburger is lean (93/7) and cooked on a foreman grill to release even more fat juices and my buffalo chicken is just grilled chicken with a little buffalo sauce to dip into for flavor...bagels are wheat and eaten in the morning so they get burned off pretty quick...

but going from almost 40% BF a few years back to 18% is a huge drop and success if I do say so myself...but i do appreciate all the info and help and im actually surprised that more people haven't said HELL NO to the cardio on the poll

Well you didn't mention that you were at 40% before now. That is very impressive. Good job. Are you trying to get ripped or just loose some more BF?

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

man, all you have to do is go on 1500 calorie low carb restricted diet with cardio for a month and you'll be below 10% and not have to worry about it again. Then just eat like you do maintain the new bodyfat level.

This makes no sense. Each individual is different. If he is trying to preserve muscle mass then by dropping calories this low he would be "starving" his body and the weight loss would not happen at all. BAD IDEA.

 

[splperformance]

This makes no sense. Each individual is different. If he is trying to preserve muscle mass then by dropping calories this low he would be "starving" his body and the weight loss would not happen at all. BAD IDEA.

+1...as stated before, 1500 calories ED for me would basically kill me...i burn that many calories just in my morning workouts...not to mention, i think the point he doesn't realize is that when you starve a body like mine that much, yes, i would drop the BF% down to 10% or so but i'd also lose ALL of the muscle in my body cuz i would need to pull energy from somewhere to keep going throughout the day...1500 cal. diets work great for skinny guys or guys who dont really care about what that kind of diet can do to them but it just doesn't work for most of us...

losing weight is like getting bigger and stronger in the gym...if you do it over a longer period of time, it is much easier to maintain and to also keep those gains and/or losses...if you gain 30lbs. in 3 weeks from juice or drop 50lbs. from a crash diet in 2 months, you will lose the weight very quickly that you gained from juice and the dieter will ultimately end up gaining more back then they lost in the long run once the crash diet is over...

as stated before, i used to be 40% BF and now float around 18%...i can drop my weight down to the high 190's when off juice and chill around 230-240lb. while on...but no matter what weight i'm at, i have never dropped below 15% BF which is why of late, i've seriously jumped up my cardio while on...

PS...i have a seen alot of these damn threads lately and it disgusts me...NO KIDS (those of you under 21) should even consider doing steroids, no matter what the circumstances are...no one here condones it nor recommends it so stop asking... sorry guys, had to throw it out there

 

[perryscoon]

No cardio for me on cycle.

Off cycle, sure.

 

[Go For Gains]

DIET...Very important
"Eat Your Veggies"

 

[mojeas95]

I'm sure this has been done before but I haven't seen any threads in a while and i'm curious as to everyone's opinion of cardio while "ON"...let me know what you do and why...

personally, i do 45 minutes per day 6x per week minimum off juice and especially while "ON"...i'm not a big fan of bloating/blowing up...i like the leaner look myself...

5'11 235lbs. 18% BF (abs are always my problem cuz of those damn carbs)

cardio training: all in the am, 6am to be exact, on an empty stomach
M-F
30 minutes eliptical trainer
15 minutes stair master
15-30 treadmill - medium jog at speed 5.5
i alternate between the treadmill and eliptical

Saturday
1 hour minimum - racquetball followed by stairmaster for 15 minutes

even for hard gainers, I heard somewhere that when ur on the sauce, it is good to do at least some cardio while on, I heard it gets the blood flowing, helps the juice get going, dont know if thats true, but I always try to get at least 30 to 45 min a week of cardio in for me. and Im a hard gainer, when im not on juice i barely do any cardio at all, except for walking to class.

 

[Beachboy6294]

I used to hate cardio but the older I get I love it more and more!!

 

[dabuffguy]

IMO cardio is best placed while on cycle. You got a shitload of gear running through you, cardio is not in the least going to hinder your muscle gains. If you can drop fat and add muscle, you'll transform your physique much better that way. Even a bulking cycle should incorporate full cardio workouts. Extra fat doesn't help you do anything, it only makes your cutting phases more work. Getting the maximum amount of muscle will come down to your training and protein intake. Doing cardio to keep fat, bloat and other things in check is always a good thing.


+1 for cardio while on

 

[Beachboy6294]

IMO cardio is best placed while on cycle. You got a shitload of gear running through you, cardio is not in the least going to hinder your muscle gains. If you can drop fat and add muscle, you'll transform your physique much better that way. Even a bulking cycle should incorporate full cardio workouts. Extra fat doesn't help you do anything, it only makes your cutting phases more work. Getting the maximum amount of muscle will come down to your training and protein intake. Doing cardio to keep fat, bloat and other things in check is always a good thing.


+1 for cardio while on

+2 for cardio while on

 

[splperformance]

I used to hate cardio but the older I get I love it more and more!!

im with ya on that one...use to hate it as a youngster...my idea of cardio back then was plowing my g/f for a hour or two and calling it a day...but as i'm getting older, i love the old school cardio plus 30-60 minutes of cardio in the gym everyday...plus you get to look at the hotties asses in tight shorts in front of you while climbing the stairmaster lol...kinda helps for motivation hahaaha

 

[Beachboy6294]

im with ya on that one...use to hate it as a youngster...my idea of cardio back then was plowing my g/f for a hour or two and calling it a day...but as i'm getting older, i love the old school cardio plus 30-60 minutes of cardio in the gym everyday...plus you get to look at the hotties asses in tight shorts in front of you while climbing the stairmaster lol...kinda helps for motivation hahaaha

Yes it must be something with you age because I was the exact same way!! I always get right next to the fitness comp girls I know and it motivates me to keep going for an hour.

 

[digimon7068]

20 to 30 minutes, 5 to 7 days a week, year round. . .at 43, i can't afford to neglect my cardio. . .

 

[snakeryu]

I'm new to this fourm but did u just say u do cardio on an empty stomach? if so ur just hurting urself man cause as everyone know's you get ur energy from food and the oxygen you breath. Unless you don't have time because u might have a busy schedule. In my opinion your doing to much cardio unless ur doing low intesity.

 

[jnef]

I'm new to this fourm but did u just say u do cardio on an empty stomach? if so ur just hurting urself man cause as everyone know's you get ur energy from food and the oxygen you breath. Unless you don't have time because u might have a busy schedule. In my opinion your doing to much cardio unless ur doing low intesity.

no he is actually putting himself in the optimum situation for burning fat. when you wake up, your blood glucose levels are at its lowest - in turn allowing you to get right into fat burning mode. Am cardio also ramps your metabolism up for the rest of the day, so in turn you should be burning more calories throughout the day.

next time dont jump at telling someone they're doing something the wrong way til' you know what you're talking about

 

[snakeryu]

lol yeah but u need glucose level high to have a good intensity workout to improve your training or ull just continue the same old routine and never accomplish anything. I know his attention was to put himself in that fat burning zone but I don't see the logic in that because you'll just end up eating wat u just burn. What ever calories you have left through out the whole day and don't use up turns into fat anyway. If he eats 2 hours before he trains he'll will not only burn more calories but also build atleast a very small amount of muscle. I have no problem doing cardio everyday long as they are low intensity and short time about like 20 min. I'm a MMA fighter with Experience and education of biology. This is wat gives me a good reason to know exactly wat im talking about. As for diet u have to eat a complete balance meal alittle bit of protein and carbs , u can't just have more than the other because those nutrient need to combine with each other to feed you that energy.

 

[splperformance]

lol yeah but u need glucose level high to have a good intensity workout to improve your training or ull just continue the same old routine and never accomplish anything. I know his attention was to put himself in that fat burning zone but I don't see the logic in that because you'll just end up eating wat u just burn. What ever calories you have left through out the whole day and don't use up turns into fat anyway. If he eats 2 hours before he trains he'll will not only burn more calories but also build atleast a very small amount of muscle. I have no problem doing cardio everyday long as they are low intensity and short time about like 20 min. I'm a MMA fighter with Experience and education of biology. This is wat gives me a good reason to know exactly wat im talking about. As for diet u have to eat a complete balance meal alittle bit of protein and carbs , u can't just have more than the other because those nutrient need to combine with each other to feed you that energy.

i guess no one ever told you that the BEST time to 1. burn fat and 2. keep the metabolism up to continuously burn fat at a higher rate throughout the day is to do AM cardio and specifically to do AM cardio on an empty stomach...trust me when i tell you I am burning fat and have NO problem putting on muscle...i'm 5'11 240lbs 17%BF (up from 235lbs 18% BF last week) with a 45" chest and 18" arms...PS...i use to be almost 40% BF and FAT after my motorcycle accident...

btw...if i did 20 minutes of cardio per day i'd die as my current work(job)/training regiment calls for atleast 2 hours of HIGH intensity cardio/PT everyday

here's the a neat little article you might want to read as it might actually teach you something that you DONT know...[/U]

Many people don't realize just how important a well timed cardiovascular program is when it comes to eliminating body fat. Whether it's early morning, late evening, the most important thing is that you just do it. Continuous cardiovascular exercise, such as running, walking, jogging, stair-climbing, or cycling, sustained for at least 30 minutes, will burn body fat no matter when you do it. However for the maximum benefits of fat loss you MUST ensure that you are performing your cardiovascular training first thing in the morning. You should consider getting up early and doing cardio before you eat your first meal - even if you're not a "morning person." Early morning aerobic exercise on an empty stomach has three major advantages over exercising later in the day.

Early in the morning before you eat, your levels of muscle and liver glycogen (stored carbohydrates) are low. If you eat dinner at 7 p.m. and you eat breakfast at 7 a.m., that's 12 hours without food. During this 12-hour overnight fast, your levels of glycogen slowly decline to provide glucose for various bodily functions that go on even while you sleep. As a result, you wake up in the morning with depleted glycogen and lower blood sugar - the optimum environment for burning fat instead of carbohydrate. How much more fat you'll burn is uncertain, but some studies have suggested that up to 300% more fat is burned when cardio is done in a fasted, glycogen-depleted state.

So how exactly does this work? It's quite simple, really. Carbohydrate (glycogen) is your body's primary and preferred energy source. When your primary fuel source is in short supply, this forces your body to tap into its secondary or reserve energy source; body fat. If you do cardio immediately after eating a meal, you'll still burn fat, but you'll burn less of it because you'll be burning off the carbohydrates you ate first. You always burn a combination of fat and carbohydrate for fuel, but depending on when you exercise, you can burn a greater proportion of fat relative to carbohydrate. If doing cardio first thing in the morning is not an option for you, then the second best time to do it would be immediately after weight training. Lifting weights is anaerobic (carbohydrate-burning) by nature, and therefore depletes muscle glycogen. That's why a post lifting cardio session has a similar effect as morning cardio on an empty stomach. The second benefit you'll get from early morning cardio sessions is what I call the "after burn" effect. When you do a cardio session in the morning, you not only burn fat during the session, but you also continue to burn fat at an accelerated rate after the workout. Why? Because an intense session of cardiovascular exercise can keep your metabolism elevated for hours after the session is over. If you do cardio at night, you will still burn fat during the session, so you definitely benefit from it. However, night time cardio fails to take advantage of the "after burn" effect because your metabolism drops like a ton of bricks as soon as you go to sleep. While you sleep, your metabolic rate is slower than any other time of the day.

 

[snakeryu]

YEs i heard this all before and I also do cardio in the morning but I eat first because it seems to works for me. There are alternative ways, ur objective is to lose as much bf in just in a short amount of time where i'm really talking about improving athletic ability but really I'm confuse do YOU MEAN BULKING OR cutting cycle. If your talking about a cutting cycle then nevermind about my whole statement which it seems to be. but if ur talking about bulking cycle then i stick of wat im talking about.

 

[splperformance]

YEs i heard this all before and I also do cardio in the morning but I eat first because it seems to works for me. There are alternative ways, ur objective is to lose as much bf in just in a short amount of time where i'm really talking about improving athletic ability but really I'm confuse do YOU MEAN BULKING OR cutting cycle. If your talking about a cutting cycle then nevermind about my whole statement which it seems to be. but if ur talking about bulking cycle then i stick of wat im talking about.

cutting cycles is all i ever do...i'm big enough as it is...no need for me to weigh 300lbs. + lol

 

[Nelson Montana]

Cardio training is a waste of time.

You want to raise your heart rate? Squat!

You want to rev the metabolism and burn calories? Stay active. Walk. Ride a bike. Play a sport. If you want to build muscles, lift weights.

 

[jnef]

Cardio training is a waste of time.

You want to raise your heart rate? Squat!

You want to rev the metabolism and burn calories? Stay active. Walk. Ride a bike. Play a sport. If you want to build muscles, lift weights.

???????? elaborate please

 

[splperformance]

Cardio training is a waste of time.

You want to raise your heart rate? Squat!

You want to rev the metabolism and burn calories? Stay active. Walk. Ride a bike. Play a sport. If you want to build muscles, lift weights.

i don't do CARDIO TRAINING...i do cardio as well as weight training...cardio is an essential tool to burn fat and raise ones metabolism...but yes, cardio training is a waste of time IMO...tried it, thought it over, and realized it was a of waste

 

[Ralph_Wiggum]

I feel it is a personal answer. Some people who have slow metabolisms and/or @ a low bodyweight need to add cardio in addition to any type of weight training in their regimens to burn additional calories to meet their goals. This is regardless of being on or off IMO.

It comes down to simple math: calories in vs calories out.

1. lift weights enough to stimulate muscle growth.
2. reduce your calories enough to lose .5-1.5 pounds per week (assuming you aren't overly fat, then shoot for 2)
3. once you get down to a caloric intake equal to 10x your bodyweight and weight loss stops, you need to increase calories burned. Adding more weightlifting will just overtrain you and shoot yourself in the foot. Therefore you need to do intense cardio to burn 400-600 calories per session as many times per week possible to give you the weekly deficit to keep losing weight when weight loss slows down due to low bodyfat levels and bodyweight.

This has been my reality as well as many others. You can get stuck in limbo when #1 and 2 plateaus, or you can tell your genetics to fuck off by working your ass off to reach your desired body composition goals.

Good Luck.

 

[-Ariel-]

I feel it is a personal answer. Some people who have slow metabolisms and/or @ a low bodyweight need to add cardio in addition to any type of weight training in their regimens to burn additional calories to meet their goals. This is regardless of being on or off IMO.

It comes down to simple math: calories in vs calories out.

1. lift weights enough to stimulate muscle growth.
2. reduce your calories enough to lose .5-1.5 pounds per week (assuming you aren't overly fat, then shoot for 2)
3. once you get down to a caloric intake equal to 10x your bodyweight and weight loss stops, you need to increase calories burned. Adding more weightlifting will just overtrain you and shoot yourself in the foot. Therefore you need to do intense cardio to burn 400-600 calories per session as many times per week possible to give you the weekly deficit to keep losing weight when weight loss slows down due to low bodyfat levels and bodyweight.

This has been my reality as well as many others. You can get stuck in limbo when #1 and 2 plateaus, or you can tell your genetics to fuck off by working your ass off to reach your desired body composition goals.

Good Luck.

Good post... but your avatar seriously creeps me out..

 

[the_alcatraz]

fuck cardio. When i need some cardio, i fight.

 

[*The_West*]

fuck cardio. When i need some cardio, i fight.

come on then traz, lets do it

 

[nickster#1]

You definately need to clean up your diet and also get a better balance between carbs/protien.

occasionally i'll sub the oatmeal for 3 eggs but other than that, the diet looks the same almost everyday except for my 2 cheats days

M/T/TH/F/Sunday
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - grilled chicken (8oz)
snack - banana
dinner - grilled chicken or steak (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Wed.
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - cheeseburger (93/7 lean meat)
snack - banana
dinner - grilled chicken or steak burrito (8oz)
snack - protein shake

Saturday
breakfast - oatmeal/banana/wheat bagel
snack - protein shake
lunch - 3 slices pepperoni pizza
snack - banana
dinner - buffalo grilled chicken (8oz)
snack - protein shake

 

[ALIN]

I'm sure this has been done before but I haven't seen any threads in a while and i'm curious as to everyone's opinion of cardio while "ON"...let me know what you do and why...

personally, i do 45 minutes per day 6x per week minimum off juice and especially while "ON"...i'm not a big fan of bloating/blowing up...i like the leaner look myself...

5'11 235lbs. 18% BF (abs are always my problem cuz of those damn carbs)

cardio training: all in the am, 6am to be exact, on an empty stomach
M-F
30 minutes eliptical trainer
15 minutes stair master
15-30 treadmill - medium jog at speed 5.5
i alternate between the treadmill and eliptical

Saturday
1 hour minimum - racquetball followed by stairmaster for 15 minutes

iIf I'm in a mass phase i do little to no cardio.
if im cutting i do cardio but only on non-weight training days.

 

[snorkles]

Whilst cutting 30mins daily minimum. whilst bulking NEVER