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Cardio Sucks! Who Hates Cardio?

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JUICESEEKER

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I can't stand doing cardio especially first thing in the morning. I have not energy to work out and get very board running and going nowwhere for 30 mins and my joints hurt me when i am jogging. So does anybody enjoy doing cardio and what can you do to get through it?
 
JUICESEEKER said:
I can't stand doing cardio especially first thing in the morning. I have not energy to work out and get very board running and going nowwhere for 30 mins and my joints hurt me when i am jogging. So does anybody enjoy doing cardio and what can you do to get through it?
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I'd do sprints...not much more fun, but at least it takes concentration and there are up times and down times...takes some of the monotony out of it. You could also just play some basketball with friends or something like that instead of "cardio."
 
I have the same problem. I have decided to says screw the treadmill in search of some new, more fun type of cardio. LOL...that might happen.
 
JUICESEEKER said:
I can't stand doing cardio especially first thing in the morning. I have not energy to work out and get very board running and going nowwhere for 30 mins and my joints hurt me when i am jogging. So does anybody enjoy doing cardio and what can you do to get through it?
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I HATE CARRRDIO!:mad:
 
burns lots of cals, builds calves, and improves cardiovascular health.
 
Do your cardio in a place with a lot of hot women, it takes your mind off of running/etc and I find it to be easier because I don't want to look weak and tired in front of the girls. Works for me, but Daddy has a good idea also!
 
i.b.e.w. said:
What about rollerblades go to the Park and look at Girl's Asses do it for at least 1 Hr you will sweat
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HOW ABOUT USING THE OLD METAL WHEEL ROLLER SKATES AND GOIN UP A HILL,NOW THATS A WORKOUT,OR DOWN THE FREEWAY,LOL:D ;) :D
 
cardio sucks. The only part about being on a treadmill is staring at the hotties asses in spandex in front of me
 
JUICESEEKER said:
I can't stand doing cardio especially first thing in the morning. I have not energy to work out and get very board running and going nowwhere for 30 mins and my joints hurt me when i am jogging. So does anybody enjoy doing cardio and what can you do to get through it?
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Jeez dude, every day, i mean like EVERY day, you have some complaint, or have some hair-brained crazy question abot how to make things easier.

Some of your recent ones...

Cardio Sucks! Who Hates Cardio?

What Do You All Do To Fight Cardio Boredom?

Do I Need To Diet To Lose Fat??

What's Everyone's Favorite Meal Replacement Bar?

Will Jogging With A Sweater Make You Raise Your Body Temperture More?



Look, let me give you a general piece if advice ...

Training and getting ripped is NOT easy. It takes discpline, dedication, being able to show restraint and NOT eat, being able to work through hunger, and cardio, and various things.

If you want EASY then grab a Big Mac, some fries, and a beer, and sit on the couch.

Look, nothing personal, but you just seem to keep putting your energy into complaining, and whining, and trying to find SOME way to make this all "easy". Its not. If you want easy - go to Blockbuster, rent a video, go to Wendy's, get a few burgers and then go home and sit on the couch.

If you choose to relax and have it easy, then FINE. Its your choice, you made it, dont complain. You choose to sit on the couch and get fat and eat whatever you want, fine, Your choice.

If you choose to have a fit body, whether that is big, or ripped, or whatever, then YOU CHOOSE what it is, with all of the good and bad that goes with it. ACCEPT YOUR DECISION.

But please, stop "grasping" for ways to make this all "easy". Its not. You can make it easiER, but there will always be a price to pay. YOU need to focus on that and decide whether or not you want to make that choice.

Nothing personal man, you are probably a good guy. I just hate to see you placing all of the energy and effort into the wrong stuff.

If you are deciding to be fit, or ripped, or big, or whatever, then COOL. DEAL WITH THE DESICISON AND THE RAMIFCATIONS OF IT. If you can't, then stop torturing yourself and go re-visit your choices.
 
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If you find your caloric maintence intake and manipuated you will not have to do any cardio. Ever since stopping cardio i'ms tronger and just as lean. MUSCLE BURNS FAT, but cardio has its place as well, but its a give or take sitaution and finding what works best for you. I have several people experimenting with this and getting surprisingly good results..i have them start at 15 times body weight if lean( under 8%) if not then 12 - 13 times and just manipulate calories. more on training days like 15 times BY and less on non 12 -13 times ) ratios at 50% protein 35% fat and 15% carbs with a carb up every 3-4 nights.
 
DaddyX said:
i hate it so i just don't do it:D
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agreed. you state that and you said "broad" in the same thread. are you my long lost brother or something? lol. :D
 
I recommend reading while doing cardio. I use a recumbent bike and keep my HR between 160 and 170 for 30 to 40 minutes, and I get school work done at the same time.
 
What use is it to have a strong body, and a weak pump? I constantly hear guys talking about how they get out of breath walking to their cars, or up stairs, hmmmmm..........I wonder why.
If your going to take care of your body, take care of the whole package, not just the exterior. What good is a car with a great body, but the engine is shot? Find something that you enjoy, and do that, it dosnt have to be a treadmill, go out and take a walk in the woods, go hiking, play basketball..............just do it.
 
Big_Nims said:
What use is it to have a strong body, and a weak pump? I constantly hear guys talking about how they get out of breath walking to their cars, or up stairs, hmmmmm..........I wonder why.
If your going to take care of your body, take care of the whole package, not just the exterior. What good is a car with a great body, but the engine is shot? Find something that you enjoy, and do that, it dosnt have to be a treadmill, go out and take a walk in the woods, go hiking, play basketball..............just do it.
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Yup...I hate when people say they don't want to do cardio because it might be catabolic...why not do it because it's healthy? Too many people worried about how they look, and not worried about their health. This is evident when people get fucked on their cycles, but "don't want to stop because it would be a waste of a cycle."
 
i like reading books. for my cardio, i read while just speed walking. reading breaks the boredom and speedwalking shouldnt be (that?) catabolic.
 
But doing cardio is not healthy. That's the misunderstanding.

The reason so many bodybuilders appear out of shape or get winded easily isn't because they don't do enough cardio. It's because thay weigh 50 pounds more than they ought to.
 
Cardio (im talking about running here) is HELL on your joints (knees, ankles), especially when you are a heavy mofo. But ... it is HEAVEN on your heart. It is important to have a strong heart.

I try to do something that is not that mind numbing for cardio. Yesterday I went and played soccer with some of the younger kids in my neighborhood for almost 2 hours. Great fun, and great cardio. I was actually pretty wiped near the end. Those little bastards are good! hhahaha

I'm tellin ya, I have been having the most difficult time with Cardio while on my cycle now. I thought that it was primarily from the dbol, but I just finished up with the dbol, and still .... aching pumps in my legs, sore joints, and lowerback pain, and a little shortness of breath too. I notice this more so on a treadmill than say being out playing soccer. I think that it will get better here in a bit. I am working at it. I usually do cardio twice/week.

Mavy
 
Bulldog_10 said:


So, do you also think cardio is not healthy? Someone please explain your reasoning behind this.
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no.
i think cardio is o.k on occasion, but its definitely not the best way to lose fat.

in other words.. if your goal is to burn fat and spare muscle and you plan on doing cardio to acheive that goal you're a moron.

but 1-2 sessions of very light cardio per week are good for the heart, lungs, and other organs. just not my style thats all.
 
There is absolutely no evidence that cardio is any better for the heart than any other exercise, be it walking, weight training, or playing sports. It does increase free radical damage, however.

The benifits of aerobics are a myth perpetuated by the fitness industry in the 80's when aerobics became popular, and hence, a way of making money for the mags and supp companies.

People who run do not live longer. But they do have more joint problems, shin splints, misaligned spines, and bone spurs in their knees. Even Kennith Cooper, the guy who invented the word "aerobics" admits this.

(Yes, aerobics is a "made up" word. There's no such scientific or medical term to differentiate between types of exercise.)

There's plenty more, but I'm not going to get into it. This will have to hold you.
 
jogging is going to raise your heart rate higher and for a longer period of time then a walk... and in the long run condition your heart to working more efficiently... since I started doing jogging appose to walking like usual my resting heart rate is way down... easier on the heart at rest and I can now endure longer.. so it has benefits...

perhaps the reason for all your sore joints is your levels of uric acid.. stop eating red meat.,
 
Nelson Montana said:
There is absolutely no evidence that cardio is any better for the heart than any other exercise, be it walking, weight training, or playing sports.

The fact is Nelson, not everyone needs to do cardio to keep a low bodyfat level (ie Dexter Jackson); however, a large number of people cannot rip up without it -- regardless of supplementation, drugs, etc. To your credit, that doesn't mean an overweight person can't have a healthy heart without doing cardio, it may just mean that that person sure as hell won't ever see his abs without cardio. And I estimate that Juiceseeker is one of those people.
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Nelson Montana said:
There is absolutely no evidence that cardio is any better for the heart than any other exercise, be it walking, weight training, or playing sports. It does increase free radical damage, however.

The benifits of aerobics are a myth perpetuated by the fitness industry in the 80's when aerobics became popular, and hence, a way of making money for the mags and supp companies.

People who run do not live longer. But they do have more joint problems, shin splints, misaligned spines, and bone spurs in their knees. Even Kennith Cooper, the guy who invented the word "aerobics" admits this.

(Yes, aerobics is a "made up" word. There's no such scientific or medical term to differentiate between types of exercise.)

There's plenty more, but I'm not going to get into it. This will have to hold you.
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As always...there's always things that you know, but won't expand on:rolleyes:
 
I wonder if I could substitute 30min on the speed back and then 10 2 minute rounds on a heavy bag with 1 minute in between each for the cardio instead of running on a treadmill?? What do you guys thing?? It seems much more enjoyable to me to do it that way.
 
Bulldog_10 said:


As always...there's always things that you know, but won't expand on:rolleyes:
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i wonder if i can write my own book if i post my own opinions without any studies to back them up. worked for nelson, dont see why it shouldnt work for me
 
DepressiveJuice said:


i wonder if i can write my own book if i post my own opinions without any studies to back them up. worked for nelson, dont see why it shouldnt work for me
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well now bro i wouldnt say that. the man knows alot, but chooses what to reply on. i wouldnt say all of his knowledge is about opinions.
 
boss said:
well now bro i wouldnt say that. the man knows alot, but chooses what to reply on. i wouldnt say all of his knowledge is about opinions.
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I think I would...

Out of curiosity, have you read his book?
 
Bulldog_10 said:


I think I would...

Out of curiosity, have you read his book?
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no i have not read his book just alot of his posts here. i know alot of people have mixed views of his replys to questions but i wouldnt say all of his replys are total opinion.
 
i was kidding boss

i havent read his book no. i've been meaning to buy his book- just havent taken the time to order it. not that its time consuming to order it...
 
NELSON....

that dude on the cover of THE BODYBUILDING TRUTH......shreded beef!!!!!!!

godamn it, i'm jealous.
thats' not you is it?
 
Dial_tone said:


So is it your assertion that weight training will better prepare someone for a triathlon than a combination of running, cycling and swimming?
If so that's an absolutely ludicrous thought. ....................................

Who said THAT? Of course if you have a specific event you must train in that manner. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Bulldog: You seem to have some things on the ball, but I'm not sure if you're always sincere, confused or just looking to break balls. It seems no matter how much evidence I present, it's never enough.

Another thing that would behoove everyone is to trust their sense of logic above all. Someone posted a thread to T-mag where some of the coaches are saying what I've said all along. (Staley's comments are almost word for word what I wrote about 5 years ago) So tell me...if I used that interview as a reference, do my methods suddenly have validity? In other words, is something true because it's true? Or is it only true if someone else concurs?

I'm not trying to get all philisophical on everyone but there are some fundemental concepts at play here. Instead of reacting to bits and pieces of what is being said, try to take in the information, process it, think some more, and then maybe things will make sense -- or at least get you curious to further explore the theory. All too often people get defensive, snap back with what they believe, or have heard before, ask for "studies" or make accusations that the information isn't as comprehensive as they would like. And then they get insulting! Cut some slack, you know. I said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not here to be everyone or anyone's research gopher. And I ain't just some kid with a gym membership and a computer.

I've been at this game longer than you've been alive Bulldog. I've done business with most everyone from Dave Draper to Darrem Charles to Dan Duchaine. I don't expect you to agree with everything, but pay some props bro.
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Nelson Montana said:
Dial_tone said:


So is it your assertion that weight training will better prepare someone for a triathlon than a combination of running, cycling and swimming?
If so that's an absolutely ludicrous thought. ....................................

Who said THAT? Of course if you have a specific event you must train in that manner. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Bulldog: You seem to have some things on the ball, but I'm not sure if you're always sincere, confused or just looking to break balls. It seems no matter how much evidence I present, it's never enough.

Another thing that would behoove everyone is to trust their sense of logic above all. Someone posted a thread to T-mag where some of the coaches are saying what I've said all along. (Staley's comments are almost word for word what I wrote about 5 years ago) So tell me...if I used that interview as a reference, do my methods suddenly have validity? In other words, is something true because it's true? Or is it only true if someone else concurs?

I'm not trying to get all philisophical on everyone but there are some fundemental concepts at play here. Instead of reacting to bits and pieces of what is being said, try to take in the information, process it, think some more, and then maybe things will make sense -- or at least get you curious to further explore the theory. All too often people get defensive, snap back with what they believe, or have heard before, ask for "studies" or make accusations that the information isn't as comprehensive as they would like. And then they get insulting! Cut some slack, you know. I said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not here to be everyone or anyone's research gopher. And I ain't just some kid with a gym membership and a computer.

I've been at this game longer than you've been alive Bulldog. I've done business with most everyone from Dave Draper to Darrem Charles to Dan Duchaine. I don't expect you to agree with everything, but pay some props bro.
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I know you've been around the block and back...but you can't just rely on ideas...sometimes things need to be proven. And in this day and age, we can study just about anything we want with all of our technology. I do the same thing you do, I know the basics and the not so basics of the body, and when someone asks a question, I use that to try and give the best answer I feel possible.

And when they disagree, or ask why I think that...I either present a study or two about it, or I at least give my reasoning behind it. I don't just say something like "cardio is a waste of time and energy" or "There is absolutely no evidence that cardio is any better for the heart than any other exercise, be it walking, weight training, or playing sports" and not back it up.

Now, I disagree that cardio is a waste, and that it is not more beneficial to the heart then other activities...and here are my reasons:

Endurance training causes increased size of coronary vascular beds = improved blood flow to the heart.

The diameter of coronary arteries is also increased providing more (and easier) blood flow to the heart during exercise. In a study done on ultramarathon runners and sedentary people, it was shown that the ability of the coronary arteries to dilate was twice as great in the marathoners.

Endurance training also increases the plasma volume, while keeping the RBC count nearly the same (maybe a bit higher in some people) which means less viscous blood = easier oxygen transport.

maximal cardiac output is increased, resting HR is lowered ("training bradycardia", due to an increase in stroke volume at rest).

VO2max is increased.

The heart consumes less oxygen (lower RPP) at rest and at submax workrates following an endurance training program, meaning it is working more efficiently.



There is plenty more of information like that, and studies that have been done on it, but I lost access to the electronic indexes that I usually use to find studies online.

I really don't mean to give you a hard time Nelson, it just fristrates me when I disagree with someone and they refuse to explain their reasoning...and you just happen to be someone who does it pretty often...I don't know if it's because all this info is in your book, and you don't want to give it away, but it just gets to me.

Anyways, nothing personal bro...I don't even know you, just your internet persona. So if I seem like I'm being a dick, I apologize. I just like to learn, and if you have reasons why I am wrong, I'd love to know about them so I can investigate it further, and learn what's right.

You've been around for a lot longer than I have, and you obviously have more personal experience than I do...but I feel I have a pretty solid knowledge base on the human body and it's responses to different types of exercise, and drugs to a lesser degree.

If you have reasons to refute something I've learned, or theorized...then by all means, I'd love to know about them...I'm not against new knowledge.
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I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.
 
JUICESEEKER said:
I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.
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Did you read my post at all?!?! It's not just about the calories burned during the workout...it's about the adaptations the body makes.
 
supernav said:
I think this is the part of the thread where we ask Bob Hope what HE would say about cardio. Being that he's now *100* years old and healthy as a mule and outlived sprinters, bodybuilders, dieters and vegeterians:

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"CARDIO SUCKS, i say!"

he has spoketh.

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genetics also plays a role...but just because someone lives a long time without cardio, doesn't mean cardio is useless. Maybe Bob could live to 200 if he'd been more active...we'll just never know.

So many more factors go into longevity than just activity level...although I do think activity level has a large impact.
 
JUICESEEKER said:
I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.
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Improved insulin sensitivity? Improved cardiovascular health? Not to mention the facts that bulldog mentioned?
 
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"CARDIO SUCKS, i say!"

he has spoketh.

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Now THAT'S funny!

Bulldog: Every one of the reasons you stated can also be applied to weight training.

One compared EXERCISE but didn't mention which kind. You see, YOU put the pieces together to make it mean CARDIO when that wasn't the case at all. Another compared exercise to a sedentary lifestyle. Again, that has nothing to do with any benifit of CARDIO over weight training. Are you starting to understand?

Yeah, Bob Hope would have lived longer if he did cardio. LOL! Some people don't know when to let a losing argument go.
 
Nelson Montana said:
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"CARDIO SUCKS, i say!"

he has spoketh.

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Now THAT'S funny!

Bulldog: Every one of the reasons you stated can also be applied to weight training.

One compared EXERCISE but didn't mention which kind. You see, YOU put the pieces together to make it mean CARDIO when that wasn't the case at all. Another compared exercise to a sedentary lifestyle. Again, that has nothing to do with any benifit of CARDIO over weight training. Are you starting to understand?

Yeah, Bob Hope would have lived longer if he did cardio. LOL! Some people don't know when to let a losing argument go. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually that stuff was about ENDURANCE training...which RESISTANCE training is not.
 
Actually that stuff was about ENDURANCE training...which RESISTANCE training is not. [/B][/QUOTE].......................

Ah ha, that's where you're wrong. Now we're getting somewhere.

Resistance training can most definitely be endurance training, whereas low level exercise like jogging is not. Who do you think will develop better endurance for boxing? The guy who runs fifteen 3 minute sprints? Or the guy who jogs for for an 45 minutes?

If you say it's the first one, then you're getting my point. If you think it's the second, we simply don't see eye to eye.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Actually that stuff was about ENDURANCE training...which RESISTANCE training is not.
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Ah ha, that's where you're wrong. Now we're getting somewhere.

Resistance training can most definitely be endurance training, whereas low level exercise like jogging is not. Who do you think will develop better endurance for boxing? The guy who runs fifteen 3 minute sprints? Or the guy who jogs for for an 45 minutes?

If you say it's the first one, then you're getting my point. If you think it's the second, we simply don't see eye to eye. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok, I consider sprinting cardio...I thought you were talking weight training. And I don't know of many people that can sprint for 3 minutes.
 
Why is sprinting cardio? Because you're running on a track and that's where you jog and jogging is cardio? Or is it because you breath hard? Well, I breath harder from doing 12 rep sets with 30 seconds rest in between sets than I do when I jog. So, which is which?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Why is sprinting cardio? Because you're running on a track and that's where you jog and jogging is cardio? Or is it because you breath hard? Well, I breath harder from doing 12 rep sets with 30 seconds rest in between sets than I do when I jog. So, which is which?
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Cardio = working at an increased heart rate. If you get your heart rate up to 70% (approx) of your max heart rate for a sustained amount of time...then I consider that cardio. Anything that makes your heart adapt, I consider cardio. Whatever you want to do to work your heart = cardio.
 
1. 20 rep breathing squats 1x a week are great cardio

2. Aerobic and anaerobic are scientific terms not limited to referencing different types of exercise
 
man i think cardio suck but i love the feeling when i am done.
i dont think cardio is for everbody but doing some form of cardio, i think, is a must. If you have read Arnolds bible he speeks pretty highly of it in the second chapter.
 
bicepts101 said:
man i think cardio suck but i love the feeling when i am done.
i dont think cardio is for everbody but doing some form of cardio, i think, is a must. If you have read Arnolds bible he speeks pretty highly of it in the second chapter.
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Exactly! I hate doing it but cardio has so many benefits BESIDES caloric expenditure that makes it IMO necessary for everyone.
 
1: Jogging will not raise HR to 70% in a conditioned athlete.

2: If the HR is raised that high, it's carbs that are used for energy, not fat.

3: Arnold did not write that book.

4: The benifits of cardio are pure propaganda perpetuated by the fitness media.

5: If you bang your head against a wall, it also feels good when you stop.
 
Nelson Montana said:


4: The benifits of cardio are pure propaganda perpetuated by the fitness media.
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You left out some of the others who recommend cardio. However I don't believe these people are perpetuating propaganda and just may be more qualified to make recommendations on cardio than you are.


The American Heart Association
Presidents council on Physical Fitness
The American Medical Association
The American College of Sports Medicine
The US Surgeon General
 
Nelson Montana said:


2: If the HR is raised that high, it's carbs that are used for energy, not fat.



4: The benifits of cardio are pure propaganda perpetuated by the fitness media.
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2. Who cares what is used for fuel (not that ANY one fule source is ever utilized)...we're talking CARDIO here...not FAT LOSS. CARDIO is for the HEART. I don't give a shit if it makes you lose fat (which it does), I'm talking about being heart healthy.

4. See ulter's post.
 
i dont think there are any absolutes, but i think i can summarise some of Nelsons thoughts:

all exercise is good for the heart, be it running, lifting, or sprinting.
Doing a specific exercise, such as running, makes you good at RUNNING, and that is its primary benefit. I have noticed this myself, I was better at climbing hills when i was doing 30 minits on the treadmill on full incline then i was when i was running 5 miles a day.

however, i agree that bulldogs benefits exist as well and i really feel better when im on some sort of cardio regimen.

one more thing, the high you get after finishing a 5+ mile run in personal record time beats any drug ive ever tried.
(never tried alot though lol)

btw, for those who dont know, hes been over this before in a thread about fat loss. if he doesnt go at this one again full throtle i understand!
 
JUICESEEKER said:
I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.
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Well then imagine the fat you would burn if you missed 2 or 3 meals....
 
I have been following this thread pretty closley, so I decided to see for myself if Nelson knew what he was talking about. I did my normal workout routine this morning, the only difference was that I wore my heart rate monitor. He was right during the actual exerciseing phase and shortly thereafter, my heart rate actually exceeded 150 bpm. This is about 70% of my heart rate max, and when I only rested say a minute between sets, it never got lower than 115-119 bpm. This is in my fat burning zone. So that equates to an hour or so of cardio right there. I can honestly say that during my regular cardio sessions, my heart rate never goes much above 135-140 bpm. We have it so deeply imbeded in our minds that cardio has to involve a track, or a bike or a stepper, all cardio really is, is an exercise that raises your heart rate to a certain zone for a certain amount of time.
 
Big Nims: Congratuations. You've succesfully accomplished what about 90% of the people on this board are incapable of. You used your own deductive reasoning and then put it to a logical and coherent test, upon which you came to a calculated conclusion that is both intelligent and benificial. Most of the people here would rather argue,insult and defend their present misconceptions.

Some people just parrot the words of others and think themselves enightened. Others blindly reject a point of view that is not shared by the populace. You, my friend, are a true thinker. And a "doer."

Thank you for "getting it."
 
well ok, I guess you are right nelson :X ... perhaps the reason for my resting heart rate lowering once I started running was due to the fact that I was just increasing cardio, running on top of weight training and other walking... not that I still don't think running is beneficial, just perhaps not so much as to the heart as many people believe, though I guess if you're looking to do more heart training you could also incorperate something like that on top of other activities like weight training and walking, personally... sometimes I wake up.. or at night and I just feel like going for a run to burn off some energy, since I tend to sometimes get hyper stages... it's relaxing for me, also it isn't a bad way to train for running races like dial tone said as well as improve muscular endurance.
 
You ALMOST have it, variation.

Cardio does NOT...

...burn fat or improve the health of your heart more than other forms of exercise. It does not improve muscular endurance.

Cardio DOES...

...make you better at performing cardio . And if you enjoy doing it, it fufills the bill. That's it.
 
Haa anyone heard of Max-OT cardio? I have been doing this with exceptional results. It's basically a 16 minute "sprint" Skip Lacour and Jeff Willet (both heavyweight pro "Natural" bodybuilders) use this method over standard cardio.
www.astresearch.com explains the details of this type of cardio.
I burn 400 calories in 16 minutes, so it saves time.
 
It sounds to me that each person on this post is defining cardio differently. Plus I think some people try to use "cardio" for different purposes. With that being said, I am one of those "morons" that hopes to keep trim, or lose a bit, while lifting hard 4 days a week and doing cardio 2-3 times.
Now I love "cardio" days. However, i don't ride a life cycle or stair master for 30 minutes, fuck that. I play basketball at full speed for 1-2 hours, surf for 1-2 hours, run a very steep hill 3-4 times and mountain bike 1.5hrs.
do you guys think that much "cardio" is going to hinder my muscle gains?
 
It is easier for me to lose weight by gaining muscle than trying cardio, only do cardio when I am on clen.

Absolutely can’t stand it.
 
Cardio does NOT...

...burn fat or improve the health of your heart more than other forms of exercise.
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What other forms?


There are some people who think that resistance train needs to be accompanied by cardio. While they might not be as colorful as Nelson they are just slightly more educated about total fitness.

I cut the flexiblity Position Stand because it doesn't pertain to this thread. However this is the Postion Stand of the American College of Sports Medicine.


The American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) has updated its position stand on the quantity and quality of exercise to maintain cardiorespiratory and muscular fitness. The revised ACSM guidelines include for the first time a recommendation for flexibility training as a component in maintaining fitness in addition to aerobic and strength training exercises.

The ACSM position stand is published in the June 1998 issue of Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise (vol. 30, no. 6). The 17-page position stand also provides the rationale and supportive research for the recommendations. The following information highlights the ACSM recommendations for exercise in healthy adults.

Cardiorespiratory Fitness and Weight Control

To maintain cardiorespiratory fitness and weight control, the recommendations state that aerobic exercise should be performed three to five days a week for 20 to 60 minutes at an intensity that achieves 55 to 90 percent of the maximum heart rate and 40 to 85 percent of the maximum oxygen uptake reserve. In place of one 20- to 60-minute session on a given day, the recommendations state that two to six 10-minute periods of aerobic activity throughout the day can be used to fulfill the requirements for the amount of exercise.



Muscular Strength

According to the recommendations, resistance training should be a part of a fitness program and of sufficient intensity to enhance muscular strength and endurance and to maintain a fat-free mass. One set of eight to 10 exercises that work the major muscle groups should be performed two or three days a week. The guidelines advocate for most persons eight to 12 repetitions (or to a near-fatigue level) of each exercise.


Cardio DOES...

...make you better at performing cardio
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And that's the idea. CARDIOVASCULAR FITNESS.
Why do think all these physicians, who by the way would earn more by not tell people the correct way to maintain their health, would publish a Position Stand in favor of strength training AND cardiovascular training if it wasn't more beneficial to do both.
 
there's already been a huge thread about this.

here's what animal had to say:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=2334952#post2334952

You guys are really missing (post #108)

Some key elements and a whole host of biochemical and metabolic events which take place when aerobic exercise is engaged including, but not limited to, raising NA/NE levels, passive glucose uptake, increased insulin sensitivity, raises T3, etc.

Yea, now sit there and tell us how somebody who has LESS insulin sensitivity because they sit on their ass devoid of aerobic work is gonna have a better biochemical profile for uptake of normal glucose from the diet. Hell, even show us how someone who has THE SAME insulin sensitivity who doesn't do aerobics as someone how does.

Awww shit! I'm totally wrong cause I guess that the one thing they DO NOT tell people with adult onset diabetes which is nothing more than 'you are a fat lazy ass who eats and does no aerobics, to start an aerobic exercise program. Damnit, they just tell them to sit on their ass some more and the pounds will melt away as long as they don't eat, right?
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you responded with:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=2335046#post2335046

idanimal: Sorry, but you're starting to lose me.
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does that response of yours mean that you don't understand what he's saying?

If you do understand what he's saying, then what's your response to his argument in favor of cardio?

thanks
 
Big_Nims said:
I have been following this thread pretty closley, so I decided to see for myself if Nelson knew what he was talking about. I did my normal workout routine this morning, the only difference was that I wore my heart rate monitor. He was right during the actual exerciseing phase and shortly thereafter, my heart rate actually exceeded 150 bpm. This is about 70% of my heart rate max, and when I only rested say a minute between sets, it never got lower than 115-119 bpm. This is in my fat burning zone. So that equates to an hour or so of cardio right there. I can honestly say that during my regular cardio sessions, my heart rate never goes much above 135-140 bpm. We have it so deeply imbeded in our minds that cardio has to involve a track, or a bike or a stepper, all cardio really is, is an exercise that raises your heart rate to a certain zone for a certain amount of time.
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Hey man cardio is just like any other exercise, in order to get result you must push yourself to your limits, everytime. Just like muscle failure. Now, im not saying you haveto do cadio 4 days a week. But atleast 2, and treat it like it lifting i garentee you will get better results. People so easily throw away cardio routeins simple because they dont have the drive to run a little faster and for a little longer. Cuase its difficult, no one can disagree to that. My profession calls for me to run atleast twice a week in order to maintain the standards that are inforced. Evertime i run my heart rate gets up to 170. After 2 miles on the tread its not done i get on the bike for 10-15 miunutes and keep it up to 160-165. You just gotta work hard.

Your heart rate never goes above 135-140 simply cause your not working hard enough, bottom line.

Cardio and lifting weight are 2 totally different things and take two totally different kinds of dicipline and motavation.
 
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solidspine said:
It is easier for me to lose weight by gaining muscle than trying cardio, only do cardio when I am on clen.

Absolutely can’t stand it.
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Having been very overweight in the past and overcoming it...I tried everything to lose the fat and absolutely the most effective way was to bust my ass on he track or treadmill - diet alone didn't work , weight training alone didn't work, but running 15 minutes a day 4-5 times a week sure as hell worked at improving my insulin sensitivity, burning fat, and giving me a general sense of wellbeing following exercise.

I think the best approach is to combine both weight lifting and cardio on non lifting days.

Oh yeah - I don't buy the argument that cardio is overly catabolic either. If you're beyond 10-12% bodyfat, cardio will burn mostly fat. At least in my experience .... drugs like clen and eca work, but in the long term they will slow your metabolism down following cessation of use.
 
poantrex said:


Oh yeah - I don't buy the argument that cardio is overly catabolic either. If you're beyond 10-12% bodyfat, cardio will burn mostly fat. At least in my experience .... drugs like clen and eca work, but in the long term they will slow your metabolism down following cessation of use.
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Just like the positives of aerobic exercise, it's not really what goes on DURING the actual exercise, but the physiological adaptations that make aerobic exercise "catabolic."

I don't think aerobic exercise is DIRECTLY catabolic, rather it hinders gains in strength and power of the musculature, which then hinders gains in muscle volume.

It's not known exactly why aerobic exercise is detrimental to gains in muscle strength and power. There are a bunch of theories, none of which can completely explain this:

1. Aerobic exercise may cause a reduction of myosin ATP-ase in type IIb muscle fibers (ie, it may cause a change in fiber type).

2. It may cause a reduction of anaerbic enzymes in the muscle.

3. It may change the pattern of motor unit recruitment.

4. It may cause over-training in strength and power athletes that are already handling near maximum workloads.

5. It may cause catabolism due to its effects on various hormones.

-This was from "Weight training: a specific approach"
 
Personally, I need to do some sort of cardio, whether it is basketball, kick boxing, treadmill, stair stepper or whatever. When I have eschewed the cardio I have felt slow, lumbering and stiff. I think to maintain some semblence of athletic ability, you have to be more balanced in your training. Cardio is just one small piece.
 
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