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needtogetaas
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as it dos for most people thats why we put it along with others in our Mega Sleep Aid Capsules 150ct https://www.customcapsule.com/index.htmlSLAYER69! said:
putting juicers to sleep every night.
layinback
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yea. insomnia on anabolics. i am goin through this right now. in the literature cns excitation as a side for all anabolics. i am naturally high strung and the juice seems to exacerbate this. no disrespect to slayer but i dont think meltonin is a fix in this circumstance assuming its the tren and winnie keepin you up. melatonin works in a very specific area in brain that controls circadian rythm and is great for jet lag and occasional sleeplessness not due to cns over-stimulation. imho a drug that addresses cns excitation would be better. i.e. low dose seroquel 25mg, ambien 10mg or klonopin.
hope you figure it out losin sleep sux psychologically and inhibits gains.
hope you figure it out losin sleep sux psychologically and inhibits gains.
needtogetaas
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seroquel 25mg, ambien 10mg or klonopinlayinback said:
god!!!!
needtogetaas
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I just feel drugs like this are habit forming and bad for over all health...yes they have there place but should "always" be a last resort.layinback said:
may be meltonin might not seem right to you for what ever reason but there is a few factors to look at....aas causes stress "and tren causes more then others"we all have experienced it...stress affects circulating melatonin levels.there are hundreds of studies showing melatonin's effects on this type of stress among all the other things it can do.steroids in some cases can cause same oxidative stress witch again many studies have proven melatonin can and has helped with..
but lets just put melatonin on the back burner and think here.there is more then just melatonin out there that can aid with sleep problems prescribed drugs dont have to be the answer lets also look at valerian root
Valerian is a hardy perennial flowering plant with sweet-smelling pink or white flowers. The name Valerian means “to be strong or healthy” in Latin, and this translation is generally regarded to refer to its medicinal use, though it is suggested that it also refers to the strong odor.
Valerian is native to Europe, South Africa, and parts of Asia and was introduced to North America. Ancient Greeks used the plant for a variety of medical disorders ranging from liver problems, digestive ailments, and urinary tract disorders to nausea and insomnia. Valerian has also been used for centuries for nervous conditions and has been traditionally used for sleeplessness, epilepsy, nervousness, hysteria and as a diuretic.
Valerian may be indicated for the relief of insomnia, stress-related anxiety, and nervous restlessness. It may also be used to ease stomach and menstrual cramps, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), some of the restlessness that accompanies attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and migraine symptoms. And, more rarely, it may be used to treat convulsions from a seizure disorder. In its most well-documented use, however, it is used as a calmant to help people sleep.
many many studies have bin don to show its effects on sleeping...
Lemon balm
Lemon balm ( Melissa officinalis ), a member of the mint family, is considered a "calming" herb. It was used in the Middle Ages to reduce stress and anxiety, promote sleep, improve appetite, and ease pain and discomfort associated with digestion (including flatulence and bloating as well as colic
5-HTP
5- HTP provides the quickest, most effective, and most consistent overall results in treating insomnia. it is an effective alternative for dealing with sleep problems in a safe and natural way compared to sleep medicines. 5-HTP improves the quality of sleep. More importantly, clinical studies show that 5- HTP is also useful in the treatment of sleep disorders other than insomnia.
5-HTP increases REM sleep significantly (typically by about 25 percent) while simultaneously increasing deep sleep stages 3 and 4 without increasing total sleep time. 5- HTP accomplishes this by shortening the amount of time you spend in sleep stages 1 and 2, which in certain ways are the least important stages of the cycle. The higher the dose, the more time spent in REM.
By shifting the balance of the sleep cycle, 5-HTP makes sleep more restful and rejuvenating. Instead of waking feeling tired, worn out, and "hungover," people taking 5- HTP feel vibrant, well rested, and ready to take on the challenges of the day. When we sleep more deeply and dream more efficiently, we wake in the morning with our physical and psychological batteries fully charged.
5-htp also raises Serotonin levels
the list just gos on and on for miles of all the safer more effective things to use for help getting to sleep and I think we all owe it to our selfs to always try the safer more healthy less babit forming way first......
sorry it took me so long to get back to you.it was getting to long so I cut it short lol so your lucky I did not take longer.
Pat_McCrotch
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I agree with samooth and needto. Hebal remedies frist are a better route d/t the possible addicitoon of ambien and klonipin. Mealtonin is a great claming drug.
The OP should give it a try and see if it works. On nights I cant get to sleep and i dont have to get up in the morning i take 3 mg and on nights I need to get up i take 1.5. I dont feel hungover in the AM like other sleep aides.
The OP should give it a try and see if it works. On nights I cant get to sleep and i dont have to get up in the morning i take 3 mg and on nights I need to get up i take 1.5. I dont feel hungover in the AM like other sleep aides.
layinback
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good point by all of you guys. however it is ironic that we sometimes suggest aas in supra physiologic doses that far exceed anything that resembles therapeutic. i was merely suggesting benzo for short term use i.e. couple weeks. tolerance and addiction very rare short term low dose with these meds. seroquel is a atypical antipsychotic and is prescribed off label in low dose for insomnia it is non addicting. pretty innocuous drugs when used responsibly short term and much safer than lb for lb than anoblics for extended periods. valerian root, kava and the like have there place and i concede some of your points. less intrusive first is always best.
needtogetaas
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cool bro..your help is always welcome and you seem to know a few things.layinback said:
BigCracker
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I am absolutely amazed only 1 person suggest Rx sleep aids/anti anxiety meds. I've posted on this topic so many times I'll spare you guys from hearing my rant again.
However I will say that I see very little difference between a guy that takes Prozac for depression, is out of shape, eats poorly, drinks a lot of booze, and smokes cigarettes and the guy that works out, takes juice, uses ADD meds to get up, diet pills to kill his hunger, ephedrine for energy before training, and valium to chill afterwards.
A Rx garbage is and Rx garbage can-regardless of whether the chemicals ingested are legally prescribed or not.
Personally I'd rather switch to different compounds of AS before I'd consider using an Rx sleep aid that may have worse long term effects that not sleeping well at night. Herbal sleeps aids would be a better choice, but keep in mind that herbals are often just unregulated drugs with a prettier name. Personally, I'd recommend cannabis(sativah strain). Just my 2 bong rips.
However I will say that I see very little difference between a guy that takes Prozac for depression, is out of shape, eats poorly, drinks a lot of booze, and smokes cigarettes and the guy that works out, takes juice, uses ADD meds to get up, diet pills to kill his hunger, ephedrine for energy before training, and valium to chill afterwards.
A Rx garbage is and Rx garbage can-regardless of whether the chemicals ingested are legally prescribed or not.
Personally I'd rather switch to different compounds of AS before I'd consider using an Rx sleep aid that may have worse long term effects that not sleeping well at night. Herbal sleeps aids would be a better choice, but keep in mind that herbals are often just unregulated drugs with a prettier name. Personally, I'd recommend cannabis(sativah strain). Just my 2 bong rips.
I have gotten different sleep pattern reactions to different stacks. I think that is what is happening to you. Tren is powerful!
I don't recommend sleep aids unless you are desperate. Then, Night Time PM otc is plenty helpful.
Ask yourself "What Changed?". Then find your solution.
I had this problem once when I first started HRT. Since then I've added HGH. I sleep very soundly even on cycles. I stay to test, nandos and the usual orals like dbol or anav.
I don't recommend sleep aids unless you are desperate. Then, Night Time PM otc is plenty helpful.
Ask yourself "What Changed?". Then find your solution.
I had this problem once when I first started HRT. Since then I've added HGH. I sleep very soundly even on cycles. I stay to test, nandos and the usual orals like dbol or anav.
solidspine
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Common side affect of Fina/Tren, take some trazazone (spelling) it will help you sleep.
more sides are comming.
Tren should be injecteded daily.
more sides are comming.
Tren should be injecteded daily.
needtogetaas
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its trazodone,and inhibiting the uptake of serotonin by nerves in the brain is its main effect.....if you go back and read my post you will see what i mean when I say there is always something other then meds to take for things....solidspine said:
needtogetaas
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btw you can get many of these at https://www.customcapsule.com/index.htmlneedtogetaas said:I just feel drugs like this are habit forming and bad for over all health...yes they have there place but should "always" be a last resort.
may be meltonin might not seem right to you for what ever reason but there is a few factors to look at....anabolic androgenic steroids causes stress "and trenbolone causes more then others"we all have experienced it...stress affects circulating melatonin levels.there are hundreds of studies showing melatonin's effects on this type of stress among all the other things it can do.steroids in some cases can cause same oxidative stress witch again many studies have proven melatonin can and has helped with..
but lets just put melatonin on the back burner and think here.there is more then just melatonin out there that can aid with sleep problems prescribed drugs dont have to be the answer lets also look at valerian root
Valerian is a hardy perennial flowering plant with sweet-smelling pink or white flowers. The name Valerian means “to be strong or healthy” in Latin, and this translation is generally regarded to refer to its medicinal use, though it is suggested that it also refers to the strong odor.
Valerian is native to Europe, South Africa, and parts of Asia and was introduced to North America. Ancient Greeks used the plant for a variety of medical disorders ranging from liver problems, digestive ailments, and urinary tract disorders to nausea and insomnia. Valerian has also been used for centuries for nervous conditions and has been traditionally used for sleeplessness, epilepsy, nervousness, hysteria and as a diuretic.
Valerian may be indicated for the relief of insomnia, stress-related anxiety, and nervous restlessness. It may also be used to ease stomach and menstrual cramps, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), some of the restlessness that accompanies attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and migraine symptoms. And, more rarely, it may be used to treat convulsions from a seizure disorder. In its most well-documented use, however, it is used as a calmant to help people sleep.
many many studies have bin don to show its effects on sleeping...
Lemon balm
Lemon balm ( Melissa officinalis ), a member of the mint family, is considered a "calming" herb. It was used in the Middle Ages to reduce stress and anxiety, promote sleep, improve appetite, and ease pain and discomfort associated with digestion (including flatulence and bloating as well as colic
5-HTP
5- HTP provides the quickest, most effective, and most consistent overall results in treating insomnia. it is an effective alternative for dealing with sleep problems in a safe and natural way compared to sleep medicines. 5-HTP improves the quality of sleep. More importantly, clinical studies show that 5- HTP is also useful in the treatment of sleep disorders other than insomnia.
5-HTP increases REM sleep significantly (typically by about 25 percent) while simultaneously increasing deep sleep stages 3 and 4 without increasing total sleep time. 5- HTP accomplishes this by shortening the amount of time you spend in sleep stages 1 and 2, which in certain ways are the least important stages of the cycle. The higher the dose, the more time spent in REM.
By shifting the balance of the sleep cycle, 5-HTP makes sleep more restful and rejuvenating. Instead of waking feeling tired, worn out, and "hungover," people taking 5- HTP feel vibrant, well rested, and ready to take on the challenges of the day. When we sleep more deeply and dream more efficiently, we wake in the morning with our physical and psychological batteries fully charged.
5-htp also raises Serotonin levels
the list just gos on and on for miles of all the safer more effective things to use for help getting to sleep and I think we all owe it to our selfs to always try the safer more healthy less babit forming way first......
sorry it took me so long to get back to you.it was getting to long so I cut it short lol so your lucky I did not take longer.
as well as our mega sleep aid witch has many of them already in it...sleep well
guys.
BigCracker
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It seems kinda ironic that someone like me avoids taking OTC meds like Aleve, Aspirin, Antibiotics, etc at all costs. I figure the last thing my body needs is more chemicals to process, so I have to be hurtin' pretty bad to take any extra drugs Rx or not.
I know a guy that lost a kidney cuz he used a hefty dose of Aleve daily over a 2 yr period of time while he worked as a night stocker at a grocery store(back and knee pain to the max). He wasn't in bad shape and he was only 23 yrs old. If my body couldn't handle the job I had, I'd find a new job. Masking your pain regularly will only lead to worse problems down the line. I feel that the same can be said about sleep aids. Even if used sparingly and at low doses it could possibly lead to dependency in time.
By never using these things in the 1st place, your brain can never miss how much they help or make you feel better. I give the same advice to people that have never done Cocaine, Valium,Xanax, Nubain, Meth, Ecstacy, etc. Addiction can prey on even the strongest willed individuals without warning. My point being, why dance with the devil unless it's absolutely necessary?
I know a guy that lost a kidney cuz he used a hefty dose of Aleve daily over a 2 yr period of time while he worked as a night stocker at a grocery store(back and knee pain to the max). He wasn't in bad shape and he was only 23 yrs old. If my body couldn't handle the job I had, I'd find a new job. Masking your pain regularly will only lead to worse problems down the line. I feel that the same can be said about sleep aids. Even if used sparingly and at low doses it could possibly lead to dependency in time.
By never using these things in the 1st place, your brain can never miss how much they help or make you feel better. I give the same advice to people that have never done Cocaine, Valium,Xanax, Nubain, Meth, Ecstacy, etc. Addiction can prey on even the strongest willed individuals without warning. My point being, why dance with the devil unless it's absolutely necessary?
needtogetaas
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rightBigCracker said:
BigCracker
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Advisor_x said:
I thought that was what everyone did???
gyle
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I'm prescribed 2mg klonopin ED for panic attacks, usually only take 1mg though, and when on cycle I just switch my dose time from morning to night. I get great sleep! Even @ 2mg ED for months at a time then just quitting cold turkey isn't a problem at all. It' s when you abuse it for a long period of time you are screwed, but never had that problem. Although a Benzo., it dosen't give you that desired felling by abusers like valuim, xyanax, etc... Dr. usually prescribe it more freely than most other anxiety/sleep meds. for this reason, even over paxil, prozac, lexapro, SSRII's ( which are more addictive by experience. Harder to get off of.) I think for someone just needing sleep help that .5mg of klonopin before bed time would be perfect, and you wake up felling great, even better and better as taking daily over time. You can just stop when ever need be.
BigCracker said:
Regardless of the rest of this post, I think the highlighted portion is something our local sponsor pill pushers need to take into account.
Pat_McCrotch
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Puts me to sleep and helps get my natural test levels back to normal. I call it smackadix. I think Ag-guys are gunna add it.
TraxZBT
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Lunesta has been shown in clinical studies to have no significant rebound insomnia upon discontinuation, which is one of the reasons so many people are addicted to ambien... they can't sleep without it.
I respect the encouragement to go OTC before anything else, but when dealing with an overactive CNS, most times, pharmaceuticals may be the only resort.
I respect the encouragement to go OTC before anything else, but when dealing with an overactive CNS, most times, pharmaceuticals may be the only resort.
Pat_McCrotch
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Klonipin is addictive. We have folks come toour ER all the time wanting a klonipin script and when they dont get what they want they get pissed start cursing making threats throwing over tables and end up going to jail. People who act like that who don't get what they want generally are addicts.
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cat_fish
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samoth said:I would recommend staying away from benzos. They work great for a number of things, but they're pretty potent and addictive drugs with pretty high rec value.
I took Klonopin (prescribed) 1.5 mgs for a year and half, stopped taking it in September 06 and my lifes been jacked up since. Things are slowly starting to return to normal but I still have to be very cautious not to over do it. I cant drink coffee and AAS is definitely out of the question.
Stay away from the benzo's dude
CF
do what I do: I take 2 mega sleep capsules about 1 hr before I want to fall asleep, and 600 mg of seroquel. Sometimes I'm wired so tight at night after working all day and then spending 1-2 hrs in the gym I have to take some xanax to help, but not every night. I've got major sleeping problems though, so don't take anything close to that dosage of serequel unless your doc prescribes it. (you might not wake up)
Yay, I'm a sleep tech... I now take 10mg ambien to regulate my sleep cycle.
jacshelb
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A lot of in depth info in this thread, which is good. But, to the original poster, have you tried good old benadryl? The thing is, it is mild. But the way that it helps you sleep doesn't seem to, normally, allow for deep rem or dream sleep. But, with tren, I have so many goddamn vivid dreams and thoughts running through my head at night, benadryl seems to be just the thing that balances it out. Try one or two caps (25-50 mg) 45 min before bed and see if it helps. I'm not saying it "knocks me out", but it gives me just the push I need to fall asleep. Good luck!
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