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Can you eat too much?

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LiftHeavy123

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I was reading up on all the info on the 3x5 and 5x5 in terms of eatting. Can I eat too much? At 205lbs, 6 foot can I throw caution to the wind and just eat like mad and just make sure that I keep busting my ass with the compound lifts? Some of the articles that are attached to the stickys say eat pizza etc to ensure growth. I just wnted to hear people's thoughts on this. I'm also up late on the weekends so can I eat at 10pm if I'm up til 1am working?
 
it really depends on the individual! I tried this approach in college and i gained unnecessary fat. I've been quite fat in the past before i started training and it doesn't take much to get me back there! on the flipside, i put on muscle pretty easily and retain much of it even when i don't lift. but pizza as a weightgainer is a NO for me ;)

on the other hand, someone who's been skinny and had trouble keeping muscle on his entire life, might NEED those calories and hi-carb, calorie dense foods in order to grow.

One other consideration - if those extra calories are loaded with artificial dyes, nitrite- and nitrate-based preservatives (found in a lot of sausage, pepperoni etc.), benzoate-based preservatives (found in a lot of bread, sodas, even pickles) - is that food going to help you grow or is it an added stress to clean out that junk? Just from cleaning preservative-laced foods from my diet i leaned out by a few bodyfat % and stayed at the same weight - you might want to look into doing the same, whichever route you take bulk-wise :)
 
You eat what you need to grow....depending on your lifestyle and habits, that might mean different things.
 
Basic rule of thumb: If it's bigger than your fist don't eat it.


Otherwise, I hope you're a lot younger than I am because I need to exercise caution. You might want to consider something with leafy greens (and olive oil) at least some of the time if you want to binge.
 
The_Alcatraz said:
You're kidding, right?
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No. The idea we're dealing with here is 'massive eating for massive gains'. But it's wrong to think you can eat it all at once. Break up those meals into small ones. 'Bigger than your fist' is an easy guide for those not overly concerned with macronutrient intake. It stops you from overdoing it.
 
3x5 Day 1 and 2

Day 1
Squat
135x5
135x5
135x5

Bench
135x5
135x5
135x5

P. Row
95x5
95x5
95x5

Day 2

Squat
155x5
155x5
155x5

Incline Bench
135x5
135x5
135x5

Good Mornings (Next Week Deadlifts)
135x5
135x5
135x5

Some cardio, pull ups, and dips performed on each day. Today I through in some hypers, situps, and overhead tricep rope pullovers.
 
fortunatesun said:
Basic rule of thumb: If it's bigger than your fist don't eat it.


Otherwise, I hope you're a lot younger than I am because I need to exercise caution. You might want to consider something with leafy greens (and olive oil) at least some of the time if you want to binge.
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The_Alcatraz said:
I second that. If you want to get HUGE, and I mean HUGE, then the rule of thumb becomes: If you can eat, then EAT!
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QFT, I need to consume nearly everything in sight to gain weight.
 
Many bodybuilders believe that throughout their bulking period, especially of-season, the more you eat, the more you grow....it makes sense....you want to gro, you eat...you wanna be super-human, you eat like you're an animal, a freak of nature, a beast.
 
Day 3

Squats
185x5
185x5
185x5

Squat Press
500x5
500x5
500x5

Bench
185x5
185x5
185x5

Pendlay Row
135x5
135x5
135x5

Wide Grip Pull Ups
2 Sets x 5

Barbell Curls
50x8
70x5
 
The_Alcatraz said:
I second that. If you want to get HUGE, and I mean HUGE, then the rule of thumb becomes: If you can eat, then EAT!
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only partly true IMHO. it works for some and needs a little more caution for some others due to various factors.

take me for example - the guy you see in the avi and the profile pics is me about a yr ago when i did exactly what you described. those were some crazy eating days trust me! it got me to about 235lbs (i'm 5'10" BTW) and strength was through the roof too. the big fuckup was that with my body type i was piling on a load of fat (again i was a few mths short of 27 then which is very young). i had HIGH BP ( i'm talking about 220/110 at one point). so i went to the doc. i had a whole bunch of tests done... one included this scan of the abdominal cavity ( i forget what they call it). the lady doing the test told me while i lay there that i had as much fat lining my internal organs as a 40 yr old sedentary and slightly obese woman! fuck tying my shoe laces and bending down to add and remove plates for deads and rows were a pain in the crotch.

i'm now down to a much leaner 217-220 now, still making strength gains (not as fast admittedly but i'm mostly cutting). i'm on medication and the BP was 130/80 when i checked last week. i feel much better over all. i'm definitely going to go for a bulk soon but this time it's going to be a lot more conservative then the last time.

in short what i'm saying is that whether someone should go out and binge depends on each person's circumstances and also his/her goals.

binging is especially ideal for a guy around 5'9" - 6' and weighing in at about a buck 50 or something. it's also the only way for pro BBs in off season and pro strength athletes. but it's not necessarily the way to go for everyone else - everyone may not be suited to that sort of thing.
 
only partly true IMHO. it works for some and needs a little more caution for some others due to various factors.

take me for example - the guy you see in the avi and the profile pics is me about a yr ago when i did exactly what you described. those were some crazy eating days trust me! it got me to about 235lbs (i'm 5'10" BTW) and strength was through the roof too. the big fuckup was that with my body type i was piling on a load of fat (again i was a few mths short of 27 then which is very young). i had HIGH BP ( i'm talking about 220/110 at one point). so i went to the doc. i had a whole bunch of tests done... one included this scan of the abdominal cavity ( i forget what they call it). the lady doing the test told me while i lay there that i had as much fat lining my internal organs as a 40 yr old sedentary and slightly obese woman! fuck tying my shoe laces and bending down to add and remove plates for deads and rows were a pain in the crotch.

i'm now down to a much leaner 217-220 now, still making strength gains (not as fast admittedly but i'm mostly cutting). i'm on medication and the BP was 130/80 when i checked last week. i feel much better over all. i'm definitely going to go for a bulk soon but this time it's going to be a lot more conservative then the last time.

in short what i'm saying is that whether someone should go out and binge depends on each person's circumstances and also his/her goals.

binging is especially ideal for a guy around 5'9" - 6' and weighing in at about a buck 50 or something. it's also the only way for pro BBs in off season and pro strength athletes. but it's not necessarily the way to go for everyone else - everyone may not be suited to that sort of thing.
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I didn't mean you can eat everything. You need to eat in excess. You can take a well-planned 3000+ calory diet and make it into a 5500+ calory diet, and you will grow. Whether or not you gain too much fat depends on your body type (ectomorph, meso, endo), your lifestyle, your workout and your sleeping hours.

Trust me on this, the more you eat, the more you grow.
 
The_Alcatraz said:
I didn't mean you can eat everything. You need to eat in excess. You can take a well-planned 3000+ calory diet and make it into a 5500+ calory diet, and you will grow. Whether or not you gain too much fat depends on your body type (ectomorph, meso, endo), your lifestyle, your workout and your sleeping hours.

Trust me on this, the more you eat, the more you grow.
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And the more fat you will put on, especially if your not on gear. Post up something original.
 
The_Alcatraz said:
I didn't mean you can eat everything. You need to eat in excess. You can take a well-planned 3000+ calory diet and make it into a 5500+ calory diet, and you will grow. Whether or not you gain too much fat depends on your body type (ectomorph, meso, endo), your lifestyle, your workout and your sleeping hours.

Trust me on this, the more you eat, the more you grow.
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I'll have to go with silver_shadow on this one cause I've been on the same boat. Those 5000 cal diets are for skinny guys who can't put on weight if they don't gorge themselves (ectos) or for lucky bastards who gain muscle when they carry a milk jug 10 feet across the room (mesos). I gain weight and strength super fast on a balanced 3000 cal diet. So, for me there is something as eating too much. Gaining weight and growing were never problems for me, but keeping the fat to a healthy level was.
 
yep like the good bros above have stated 5k is a lot for some folks.... i was on about 5k most days till a yr ago. fortunately, as i found out, 3k is good enough for me to continue gaining strength. i just need to add a LITTLE bit more to bulk at an appreciable rate. 5k is overkill.

BTW, much of what i ate was pretty clean. i wasn't eating a pile of total junk.
 
And the more fat you will put on, especially if your not on gear. Post up something original.
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It's a lot more original that your post!

If you would read the post again and understand it, you'd realise I said don't eat anything just for eating and eat a "well-planned" diet....read before you pass judgement...
 
silver_shadow said:
yep like the good bros above have stated 5k is a lot for some folks.... i was on about 5k most days till a yr ago. fortunately, as i found out, 3k is good enough for me to continue gaining strength. i just need to add a LITTLE bit more to bulk at an appreciable rate. 5k is overkill.

BTW, much of what i ate was pretty clean. i wasn't eating a pile of total junk.
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wow, people really have different metabolisms. i eat about 3500-3800 just to maintain and i only weigh 185. but if I eat junk, i'll end up eating more calories and getting to be a soft 190. I don't feel like i'm cramming food away eating this way either, i was actually quite surprised at the totals when i first counted up my caloric intake
 
I should clarify that i'm eating pretty clean these days, basically avoiding food with preservatives (which has the benefit of prohibiting a lot of foods you shouldn't be eating ANYWAY), and stay away from processed and hi-glycemic carbs except post-workout. also, a lot of my calories come from fat - pecans, cheese, peanut butter, organic whole milk and organic butter. i know fat is '9 calories per gram' but i SERIOUSLY doubt your body treats these calories the same way it treats the calories from white bread or cinnamon toast crunch.
 
Jocephus said:
I am not training in PL gear or using super heavy band tension. All max work is doubles all accessory work is high rep high volume. Before when I trained in PL gear and peaked for comps I hurt all the time. Now I am training for max raw strength and size. With size being of more importance. I have no desire to step on any lifting platform in comp gear. A lot of you guys would probably swell up like a mutherfucker if you followed my split. Peace
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Can you post it?

Today
Smith Machine Squats (My gym doesn't have a power rack and neither does any other gym for miles...stupid right? There are no subs for squats but what is the next best thing? Leg Press? Plate Loaded Leg Press? 45 degree leg press?)

135x12
185x5
185x5

45 degree Plate Loaded Leg Press
400x10
400x10
400x10

Hack Squats
135x10
225x10
225x10

Leg Press Machine
230x15

Abs
Weighted Crunches
50lbsx30reps

Leg Lift Machine
BWx20
 
If you eat clean, I don't think you can eat too much. Your body will tell you when you eat too much anyways.
 
Tonight's workout

8min cardio warmup

Flat Bench Press
205x5
205x5
205x5

Drop Set
185x4
155x6

Dips
BWx5 (reached failure quick so I stopped)

Flat Dumbbell Flyes
40x15
50x15

Pendlay Rows
155x5
140x5
145x5

Bent Over Rows
135x5
135x5
135x5

Pull Ups
body weight x 1 rep x 10 sets

I took a rest/pause approach to these because I usually reach failure quickly with pull ups.

body weight x 3 reps x 2 sets (to failure)

Biceps Curls
50x8
60x8 (forced towards the end)

Preacher Curls
20x8
20x7
 
I'm 5'6, 150 pounds and 10% b.f. Maintenance is probably 3000 calories.

I tried bulking earlier this year with 4000 calories for 8 weeks.

The main side effect was cause endless diarohea. My body clearly wasn't designed for so many calories. I actually did make good gains without much fat (and fantastic strength gains), but as I teach at University, it was getting embarressing having to routinely run out of lectures that I was conducting (and I had to do this several times a day), so I had to quit the bulk

I do a lot of cardio as well though, so that is why the bulk needed so many calories per my size. I change jobs next year and have less time for cardio, so I may rebulk on say 3300 calories, which I think will be less diarohea inducing.
 
150 lbs at 5'6", you really could use some good solid hard training and LOTS of foods. Good foods.

I eat 4,000 calories a day normally and MUCH more than that the day before a heavy gym day.
 
If you're an under 30 year old ectomorph, if it fits in your mouth, eat it.

If you're not, what fortunateson said makes a lot of sense.
 
Tonight's workout

8 min Cardio warm up

Leg Ext. for quad warm up

45 Degree Leg Press
600x5
600x5
600x5

Incline Bench Press
155x5
165x5
185x4

Good Mornings
115x5
125x5
130x5

15min cardio warm down
 
8 minute Cardio warm up

Back
Pendlay Rows
135x5
135x5
150x6 Upping my weight next week

Rest Pause
Pull Ups totaling 20
Bench Press 225 lbs x 20

Calves lifts 20 x 90 x 2 sets

Abs weighted crunches
75x15
95x15

Leg lifts 1 set x 20 reps
 
The_Alcatraz said:
you're a beast, i do the same...
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The day before my Event Training Day I try to eat 600-1,000 grams of carbs if my stomach is agreeing with me. I don't work but a few Saturdays per year and it is normally our family's lazy day so it makes it easier to spend the day in the house, on the couch, cooking, and eating.

And the wife is going through this huge cooking phase in her 8th month of pregnancy.
 
Today's workout
5 min cardio warmp up

Leg Ext. Warm up

Leg Press
200x10 warm up
490x5
600x5
690x5

Squats
135x20

Calves
2 sets of 135 to failure

Incline Bench
185x5
185x4
185x2
135x5

Deadlifts
135x5
185x5
225x5

I think my lower back is hurt because I'm having a hard time bending down and my DL/Good Morning is really weak right now. Any suggestions? Should I just lay off lower back work for a while?

I'm 25, 205, 10-12%bf, training for a solid and educated 3 years (training a little long but without sufficient knowledge of what i was doing). I've completed a Starr's 5x5 with great results. I doing a 3x5 right now because I've found that when I'm trying to lose BF, the 3x5 set up still allows me to make strength gains. I'm not squating because my gym sucks and doesn't own a power rack and I hurt my back once before squating on the smith machine. I do not think this is a form issue because I make sure the gym's trainers who do know what they are doing watch me. One of our trainers works and trains our local semi-pro football team. Diets good, high clean calories (Turkey Breast, Brown Rice, Bananas etc.)
 
10 min cardio warm up

DB Incline Chest Press
50x10
60x10

DB Shoulder Press
30x10
SS
Lateral Raises
20x10

Rear Lateral Raises
16x15

BB Shrugs
100x10

DB
60x10

Cardio Warm Down
10 mins
 
Killed it today...in terms of my ability

10 min cardio warm up

Bench Press
95x5
135x5
155x5
185x5
205x5

Incline DB Press
60x15
70x12

Bent over BB Rows
50x10
70x10
90x10

Lat Pull Down alternate front and back
60x10
SS
BB Curls
60x10

Lat Pull Down
70x10
SS
BB Curls

Tricep Pulldowns
80x10x3
 
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