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Can boxers punch thru boards ?

Djimbe said:
Why , because of the NAMES ?

There is more difference in the Movement anbd Fighting styles of Monkey and Mantis than there is between Boxing and Muay Thai - and you WOULD call THAT Cross Training , wouldnt you ? Hell , theres more difference between the two systems than there is between Boxing and CAPOEIRA ! You DO realise that "China" is IMMENSE , and that all systems coming from there arent even particularly SIMILAR , much less the same , right ?

No , appearantly you didnt .




No , not "Insired by" A TOTAL AND BLATANT WORD-FOR-WORD RIPOFF ! Im talking like on the level of getting caught copying out of the Encyclopedia for a Report on the Crimean war . The guy was a C- student in Philosophy . He just had enough Retention to be able to take a few Ripped-Off quotes with him to Interviews . And he didnt just Rip off The Chinese , some of his stuff is from Japanese Sources , as well , Tatsuan Soho



Against WHOM ???

WHEN ?

WHERE ?

the man NEVER EVER EVER Fought anyone !

And again , NONE of his Students EVER Produced ANYONE of ANY Merit using his ACTUAL METHODS .



Firstly "SBG" Didnt figure out anything earlier than anyone . Back in the early 90s Thornton was sporting his Spikey Billy Idol Hairdo , and High-Kicking on the cover of the Mags just like EVERYONE ELSE at the time . THEN he started with the Machados at about the ame time as the Gracies started in , and they had been doing a LOAD of VT stuff already , the UFC just hadnt actually HAPPENED yet . Great , Ill give the guy Points for being Super Trendy .




Kali hasnt been "Proven" as Squat . Its nowhere NEAR "The Best Weapons System , heck its not even the besat PERSONAL Weapons system . Firearms are . And before yo uget Ticky-Tacky Ive NEVER been beaten in a StickFight by any Kali or Escrima Practitioner , and I only trained in my "Poor" Chinese MAs/Weapons , though I DO have Dual Weapons training . But Sriously , I could just be Talented at it , I AM a VERY Athletic Cat naturally , so Im just going to say that its SO VERY Speculative until ppl start doing DeathMatches with Blades again . I would like to point out that Japanese , Chinese and European Swordsmanship is and always was FAR better/more widely used and more "Proven" historically . Heck , id take a couple of Roman Legions over the entirety of the Philipines !

Oh , and by the by Ill go back to this point again - The Militich camp is Combining the above systems in a GOOD way .

So far Thornton & co have produced no MMA Champions with his Methods , despite having umpteen schools in how many countries to draw from as far as Gene Pool ? HEs ony had ONE guy even make a decent showing out of ALL THOSE SCHOOLS , and I HAVE to call "Law Of Averages" on THAT one !

Had you cited Militich , I would have had to Agree with you - thats a school that CONTINUALLY PRODUCES CHAMPIONS .

SBGI produces nothing more than Revenue for its instructors , and a lot of ppl that THINK they can fight .



Randy Couture started with SBGi. Here is a quote:

"The training at the Straight Blast Gym has been instrumental in my preparation for reality fighting in the UFC. Matt's expertise in stand-up, and ground fighting techniques has helped me win the Ultimate Fighting Championships. There is no rest for the best!" - Randy Couture (UFC 13, 14, & 16 champion)


Funny that you say SBGi has never produced a champion... Thats the same thing I say about every Chinese Martial Art ever practiced. They have never produced a champion in any MMA league I'm aware of.

Hey... Wasn't Matt Thorton the one who stood infront of your face and told you that CMAs have contributed "NOTHING" to the world of MMA or somethign like that? I think I remember you saying something to that effect... I could be wrong.



-BRR
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Randy Couture started with SBGi. Here is a quote:

"The training at the Straight Blast Gym has been instrumental in my preparation for reality fighting in the UFC. Matt's expertise in stand-up, and ground fighting techniques has helped me win the Ultimate Fighting Championships. There is no rest for the best!" - Randy Couture (UFC 13, 14, & 16 champion)


Funny that you say SBGi has never produced a champion... Thats the same thing I say about every Chinese Martial Art ever practiced. They have never produced a champion in any MMA league I'm aware of.

Hey... Wasn't Matt Thorton the one who stood infront of your face and told you that CMAs have contributed "NOTHING" to the world of MMA or somethign like that? I think I remember you saying something to that effect... I could be wrong.



-BRR



Forrest Griffin was also from SBG.

I like SBG because articles like this:

http://sfuk.tripod.com/articles_02/thorntonforms.html

Which I can't help, but nod at





Unfortunately the MA school I attend does not always use aliveness (which you define so well in your videos and web site) as it's guiding principal. People will often defend training methods were aliveness is not a factor. During a discussion about training methods someone said to me "What about boxers hitting the heavy bag, and speed bag there is no aliveness there, So hitting the bags is a waist of time huh. Hitting the speed bag doesn't look anything like fighting so that must be a waste of time too huh.." I replied that the heavy bag was good for things like body mechanics, and could be a great work out in itself. The only response was "well if there's no aliveness how can it be any good, huh..." Anyway just wondering if you had ever fielded a comment like this?

You are correct. People will defend their beliefs because they are feeling defensive. This usually has to do with personal identification with the method. And so the best thing you can do there is simply speak your truth, (never be afraid to do that!), smile, and walk on.

In regards a heavybag, you can make heavybag training more realistic. . . . by moving around, and not using repeated patterns like a robot. However, there are many things we may do that improve are bodies that are not "Alive". Its just that all of those things fall under the category of conditioning/excercise. Lifting weights is not Alive, but it will have a direct impact on your body.

Aliveness comes in is when you include a partner. BJJ is a great example. You could roll around with a stuffed dummy on the mat, and practice knee ride, punches, etc. This would be very similar to a boxer hitting the heavybag. However, if you never, or rarely wrestle "live" against a resisting opponent, you will never be able to compete or reach the performance level of even a beginer blue belt.

You must have Aliveness, its as simple as that, thats where timing and abililty come from. As it is in BJJ it is in stand up, and clinch.

But you can't teach beginners that way. How can you teach a whole seminar full of people that way. It would look chaotic?

Simply not true. I teach seminars all over the world without the aid of dead patterns. I teach stick, ground, clinch, stand up, whatever, without ever busting into a pattern. All the while people learn quickly, have fun, laugh, and stay injury free.

What about the idea that these dead pattern drills are for self perfection?

That is usually the last excuse for poor training methods that gets put out there. The thing to ask here is what is meant by the term "self perfection"? If that term is left undescribed, then the idea itself is absolutely meaningless. So it is important to ask for a description on this.

Once a description is given, ask yourself if an Alive training method would serve that description just as well, or in reality. . .much better. You will find this is always the case.

Remember, for something to be used for 'self improvement' it must first be true, real, authentic.

If you are looking for real methods of "self perfection" then you will find them in Alive training, in athletics. As the late, great Joseph Campbell stated, "the only peak experiences I have realized have come as a result of athletics."


But don't they thrown all the 'self perfection' or 'spiritual side' away when they train only Alive?


This is backwards, in reality the opposite is true. And there is much writing regarding how functional athletic training can have serve as a deep and meaningful vehicle for self actualization, and realization.


But people like the goofy stuff?

I disagree.

Let me give you a concrete example. Often I hear from Instructors that state that some students 'want' that 'stuff'. I have taught seminars before where the host begged me to show some 'trapping' because the students would love it, and I was told that the group that I was teaching to, (as non athletic a group as you could find) would not respond to my approach. Anyone who knows me knows I don't I don't compromise on this, ever. So. . . I showed no hand trapping, or one and two step sparring. I taught as I always teach, and the students. . . . . .loved it. They said to the Instructor. . ."whydidn't you show us this approach before?"

That has been my experience all over the world.

But, would I have had the muscle memory or coordination with/without the drill?

What would you say if I threw a right cross in sparring, after being taught reverse punches and Karate blocks. And then when it was pointed out to me that my cross didn't look anything like my reverse punches and karate blocks I stated,

"True, but would I have had the muscle memory or coordination with/without the drill? Personally, I don't think so."

It just makes no sense.


http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/
 
Coture started in School , with Wrestling . Wrestling is what made him what he is , and if Thornton was so Great hed still be training with him , not at a MUCH better school RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD .

I dont honestly know Forrests History , and thats why I said ONE out of MANY MANY MANY is a FLUKE . Even still im betting he wasnt TOTALLY a product of SBG just because of their Track Record . Militetch MAKES ChampionS
 
Here's an interesting part of an article about boxers vs karate:

"Of course, the best boxers can punch as quickly and powerfully as any black belt. Why can't they break concrete blocks too? The answer lies in the nature of their punches. When a boxer throws his fist, he usually ends the movement with follow-through. This gives the punch maximum momentum (golf and tennis players follow through for the same reason), and it can help knock an opponent down. But the impact itself is diffuse: It's meant to jar an opponent's brain, not crack his skull.

A karate chop, on the other hand, has no follow-through at all: It lashes out like a cobra and then withdraws instantly When a black belt hits a slab of concrete, for instance, his fist touches the block for fewer than five milliseconds, and yet the block breaks with a resounding crack.

To understand how this works, Jearl Walker, a former tae kwon do student who now teaches physics at Cleveland State University, set up a study much like Feld's and McNair's. A well-thrown fist, he found, reaches its maximum velocity when the arm is about 80 percent extended. "That's exactly what my tae kwon do master had taught me," Walker says. "You learn to focus your punch in your imagination so that it terminates inside your opponent's body, rather than on the surface. To deliver the maximum power, you want to make contact before the slowdown begins."


Here's the link to the rest of the article: http://www.zinkle.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_5_21/ai_61692484
 
Yes....When I was in the 7th grade my shop teacher and his 6 year old son took karate.. They would always grab a couple boards and bust them for the class...He bets my friend that he cant do it..Keep in mind my friend has never even learned a karate stance much less how to break boards...Anyway the teacher grabs two boards and my friend tore them apart...And this was while we were in the 7th grade...I can only imagine what a heavyweight could do..But in the defense karate masters, my friend bruised his hand up pretty good...So I dont think you would see many boxers trying it just for the hell of it..
 
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