Can boxers punch thru boards ?

[Yarg!]

When Djimbe types up his rebuttals, for some odd reason I see the djimbe in his avatar going into overdrive and this drum beat starts playing in my head and starts cresendoing like that drum beat from Jumanji. Strange.. BRR whats wrong with SBG?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

When Djimbe types up his rebuttals, for some odd reason I see the djimbe in his avatar going into overdrive and this drum beat starts playing in my head and starts cresendoing like that drum beat from Jumanji. Strange.. BRR whats wrong with SBG?

Nothing wrong with SBGi at all. I have trained with their guys before. Out of all the "comercial" places, SBGi is the best I think.




-BRR

 

[Kane Fan]

WRONG . The difference between Noirris and Lee is that NORRIS was a LEGIT CHAMPION in his Sport , and ACTUALLY EARNED BLACK BELTS in THREE SYSTEMS ! Lee NEVER EVER Earned a BB or Teaching Cirtificate in ANY style , and he NEVER fought ANYONE as an Adult .



Wich NO ONE USES to any level of Success ! Even Inosanto just teaches BJJ+MT + a Little Kali thrown in now ! Lee "Invented" a PLATYPUS of uselessness . No one using "Jun Fan" or "Jeet Kune Do" has EVER done ANYTHING in the MMA/MT/KB World - and its MADE UP OF SPORTS SYSTEMS ! Now tell me how its "Really A Philosophy ...." Twaddle . I could make up my Own MA centering around Poo-Flinging , and that dosent mean SQUAT .



There is an IMMENSE difference between ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK and HUMBLING YOURSELF and paying Lip Service to it , and reaping the Rewards of having a Great Rap .

And seriously dude , training in your backyard to a "Style" wich you made up yourself with less than 2 years of actual Instruction ?

Thats what most of us call a Yard Tard .



The above statement is so true - ESPECIALLY in Refrence to Lee that I can do nothing but nod at it .




Ill say it again , there ARE no Secrets ! Most ppl I know are HAPPY to Teach and share what they know . Hell , I know all KINDS of Hitting MEthods and I show ppl for Free all the TIME !

HOWEVER ...

You found some McDojo TKD school where they Break Baked Balsa Boards (say THAT 5X fast ! HA) ... SO WHAT ? THEY dont Train hard , Goody for them , but that dosent Negate the ppl that USE the REAL Boards for TRAINING now does it ? Nor does it negate the fact that if you stack enough of them in a row it becomes Difficult .



Well , its easy to not lose something you have never been in . He has a PERFECT record of Zero Wins , Zero Losses , and Zero Draws .



There are different Training methods ,and ther4e are different HITTING methods . Theres noithing "Secret" , or "Miraculous" about them , but LOOK at the LINK

http://crane.50megs.com/index2.html

there IS a SCIENCE to it .



Sure you can . Says Who ?



Well , I can , and Im not "Master" anybody .




Wrong .

Technique amplifies Strength into greater Power . There are MANY techniques for Amplifying what you have into something more . Proper Standing , proper Breathing , proper Body Mechanics ...

actually Lee did have a match with someone at a tournament in his adult life
I'm sorry I don't know the tournament name or anything but I saw a clip of it

 

[Djimbe]

actually Lee did have a match with someone at a tournament in his adult life
I'm sorry I don't know the tournament name or anything but I saw a clip of it

There are 2 Legit Lee vids , one of him Sparring Taky Kimura , the other of him Sparring with Inosanto .

Both of them displayed "Uke Syndrome"

 

[Djimbe]

When Djimbe types up his rebuttals, for some odd reason I see the djimbe in his avatar going into overdrive and this drum beat starts playing in my head and starts cresendoing like that drum beat from Jumanji. Strange.. BRR whats wrong with SBG?

HEY ! I come with a SOUNDTRACK !

SCHWHEET !

 

[Djimbe]

I think JKD has done more for what MMA is today than most other martial arts have.
The JKD mentality is to learn and use what fits YOU as an individual, and NOT be limited by one style or form. Somewhere in there, after Bruce Lee died, they got greedy and instituted a belt system and MLM type crap that BL never wanted...
But then there were the guys who broke away and created the kick ass SBGi... Still, the idea in itself is great.

But the IDEA ITSELF had VERY VERY LITTLE to do with BRUCE ! CMA ppl were Blending Martial Arts HUNDEREDS of years before Bruce's birth . Its the entire TRADITION of Shaolin , AND the Wudang systems !

Bruce was a Philosophy Major , and a one time Resident of China . He used his knowledge of Chinese Culture and Philosophy to sound like the Ideas he had learned from Books were his Own Origional ones . Wich couldnt be furthur from the truth .

Dong Hai Chuan - as ONE SMALL Example - Was the Progenetor of Baguazhang . He NEVER Taught a student that wasnt already a Master , and That didnt teach him THEIR system FIRST ! WHat does this mean ? Every Existing form Of baguazhang is a Mixed MA . Wing Chun is a Combo of Snake and Crane , Some Mantis systems have Monkey Footwork ... heck , theres a system called "Taiji Mantis" !

Using what works and disgarding the rest wasnt anything REMOTELY CLOSE to Bruce Lees Idea . It comes from the Great Daoist Philosopher Chuang Tzu .

 

[Micker]

Bruce Lee was a great philosopher, and had a fantastic mind for stragety in fiighting. He wasn't the ultimate warrior that people think he was, but I give him credit for what he did for martial arts. He really brought martial arts out of the closet.

Somewhere in there, after Bruce Lee died, they got greedy and instituted a belt system

Yeah, they realized that if you don't give people some phisical prize for their progress, then they don't like it. Study hard get an A, Work hard make more money, practice karate....umm change your belt color .
Eventually you give someone a black belt, symbolizing mastery of the art so to speak, even if the person doesn't deserve it, if they are loyal payers.

Also, I didn't say you couldn't teach power, I believe you CAN teach it. Teachinig a boxer to punch using his hips, keeping his hook close to his body etc.. all adds to power and it taught.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

But the IDEA ITSELF had VERY VERY LITTLE to do with BRUCE ! CMA ppl were Blending Martial Arts HUNDEREDS of years before Bruce's birth . Its the entire TRADITION of Shaolin , AND the Wudang systems !

Bruce was a Philosophy Major , and a one time Resident of China . He used his knowledge of Chinese Culture and Philosophy to sound like the Ideas he had learned from Books were his Own Origional ones . Wich couldnt be furthur from the truth .

Dong Hai Chuan - as ONE SMALL Example - Was the Progenetor of Baguazhang . He NEVER Taught a student that wasnt already a Master , and That didnt teach him THEIR system FIRST ! WHat does this mean ? Every Existing form Of baguazhang is a Mixed MA . Wing Chun is a Combo of Snake and Crane , Some Mantis systems have Monkey Footwork ... heck , theres a system called "Taiji Mantis" !

Using what works and disgarding the rest wasnt anything REMOTELY CLOSE to Bruce Lees Idea . It comes from the Great Daoist Philosopher Chuang Tzu .

I wouldn't call it "cross training" to learn 3 different Kung Fu animals.


Even if Lee's ideas were inspired by Chinese culture, it does not erase the fact that he actually put those ideas to work. He started something that is now HUGE.
JKD has been a major factor in what MMA is today. And I think SBGi took it a step further, these guys figured it out (well before the UFC) that cross training in BJJ+MT+Judo/Wrestling+Kali gave you a very well rounded system, you have the best grappling and striking systems plus the best weapon system all taught in one gym. Can't get much better that that.


-edit- I shouldn't say "the best" since that sounds like my own opinion.
Maybe I should say, "the most proven systems".



-BRR

 

[Djimbe]

Bruce Lee was a great philosopher,

No . No he wasnt . He was a Middling Philosophy student that regurgitated the Ideas of REAL Philosophers ON CAMERA without so much as a "Well A Wise Man Once Said ..." So ppl THOUGHT that the Ideas came from Him , while they SO did not .

and had a fantastic mind for stragety in fiighting.

This is based on what ? All of his Victories over NO ONE ? All of his Students , and Students Students that became UFC Champs ?

He wasn't the ultimate warrior that people think he was, but I give him credit for what he did for martial arts. He really brought martial arts out of the closet.

FINALLY youve said something REAL .

Making something POPULAR and being GREAT at it are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS ! Bruce was NONE of one , but ALL ABOUT the other . All he was was pretty on CAmera , with NO Fighting in real Life to back up all his misguided little theorems about Fitness and Fighting .

Also, I didn't say you couldn't teach power, I believe you CAN teach it. Teachinig a boxer to punch using his hips, keeping his hook close to his body etc.. all adds to power and it taught.

Were talking about the kind of Power Training that gives a 90 lb person enough juice to knock out a 300 lb man if they can Land the Strike . The kind that , Ill say it again , lets you break TWENTY Boards , not just one .

 

[Djimbe]

I wouldn't call it "cross training" to learn 3 different Kung Fu animals.

Why , because of the NAMES ?

There is more difference in the Movement anbd Fighting styles of Monkey and Mantis than there is between Boxing and Muay Thai - and you WOULD call THAT Cross Training , wouldnt you ? Hell , theres more difference between the two systems than there is between Boxing and CAPOEIRA ! You DO realise that "China" is IMMENSE , and that all systems coming from there arent even particularly SIMILAR , much less the same , right ?

No , appearantly you didnt .

Even if Lee's ideas were inspired by Chinese culture,

No , not "Insired by" A TOTAL AND BLATANT WORD-FOR-WORD RIPOFF ! Im talking like on the level of getting caught copying out of the Encyclopedia for a Report on the Crimean war . The guy was a C- student in Philosophy . He just had enough Retention to be able to take a few Ripped-Off quotes with him to Interviews . And he didnt just Rip off The Chinese , some of his stuff is from Japanese Sources , as well , Tatsuan Soho

it does not erase the fact that he actually put those ideas to work.

Against WHOM ???

WHEN ?

WHERE ?

the man NEVER EVER EVER Fought anyone !

And again , NONE of his Students EVER Produced ANYONE of ANY Merit using his ACTUAL METHODS .

He started something that is now HUGE.
JKD has been a major factor in what MMA is today.

And I think SBGi took it a step further, these guys figured it out (well before the UFC) that cross training in BJJ+MT+Judo/Wrestling+Kali gave you a very well rounded system,

Firstly "SBG" Didnt figure out anything earlier than anyone . Back in the early 90s Thornton was sporting his Spikey Billy Idol Hairdo , and High-Kicking on the cover of the Mags just like EVERYONE ELSE at the time . THEN he started with the Machados at about the ame time as the Gracies started in , and they had been doing a LOAD of VT stuff already , the UFC just hadnt actually HAPPENED yet . Great , Ill give the guy Points for being Super Trendy .

you have the best grappling and striking systems plus the best weapon system all taught in one gym. Can't get much better that that.
-edit- I shouldn't say "the best" since that sounds like my own opinion.
Maybe I should say, "the most proven systems".

Kali hasnt been "Proven" as Squat . Its nowhere NEAR "The Best Weapons System , heck its not even the besat PERSONAL Weapons system . Firearms are . And before yo uget Ticky-Tacky Ive NEVER been beaten in a StickFight by any Kali or Escrima Practitioner , and I only trained in my "Poor" Chinese MAs/Weapons , though I DO have Dual Weapons training . But Sriously , I could just be Talented at it , I AM a VERY Athletic Cat naturally , so Im just going to say that its SO VERY Speculative until ppl start doing DeathMatches with Blades again . I would like to point out that Japanese , Chinese and European Swordsmanship is and always was FAR better/more widely used and more "Proven" historically . Heck , id take a couple of Roman Legions over the entirety of the Philipines !

Oh , and by the by Ill go back to this point again - The Militich camp is Combining the above systems in a GOOD way .

So far Thornton & co have produced no MMA Champions with his Methods , despite having umpteen schools in how many countries to draw from as far as Gene Pool ? HEs ony had ONE guy even make a decent showing out of ALL THOSE SCHOOLS , and I HAVE to call "Law Of Averages" on THAT one !

Had you cited Militich , I would have had to Agree with you - thats a school that CONTINUALLY PRODUCES CHAMPIONS .

SBGI produces nothing more than Revenue for its instructors , and a lot of ppl that THINK they can fight .