Can boxers punch thru boards ?

[Djimbe]

HAHAHAHA ! thats cute !

 

[trez]

Because BOXERS baby their hands and ultimately weaken them over time by using Wraps and Gloves all the time , then get in a Fight on the steet and their bodies cant withstand the amount of force they can generate without a Crutch .

I'm not sure if you've ever trained for boxing, if you have it doesn't sound like you've done it right... I'd never put on full gear unless I actually had a bout, most training was done just with wraps (sometimes gloves) but not both. I wouldn't consider my hands 'babied', but my training could have differed from the norm?

My two cents anyway.

Peace

Trez

 

[Djimbe]

I should have said "And/Or" , youre Correct , but look to the Gym (this IS a BBing/PLing website , after all) Look at the ppl that weaken themselves by using Wraps all the time I have seen guys using Wraps to do 60 lb dumbell Curls ! When youre DDeadlifting 800+ , thats one thing , but you know what Im on about !

Using them all the time creates an Inherent Weakness over time . Also not hitting anything HARD leaves one Unprepared for when you DO hit something hard . Theres actually somethign TO the Breaking thing , as well as Variable Bag Hitting ala CMA . over trime your hands do calcify and Strengthen , and your Bones get more dense .

 

[trez]

I should have said "And/Or" , youre Correct , but look to the Gym (this IS a BBing/PLing website , after all) Look at the ppl that weaken themselves by using Wraps all the time I have seen guys using Wraps to do 60 lb dumbell Curls ! When youre DDeadlifting 800+ , thats one thing , but you know what Im on about !

Using them all the time creates an Inherent Weakness over time . Also not hitting anything HARD leaves one Unprepared for when you DO hit something hard . Theres actually somethign TO the Breaking thing , as well as Variable Bag Hitting ala CMA . over trime your hands do calcify and Strengthen , and your Bones get more dense .

All valid, many people use too many cheats when they train as a 'shortcut' past the hard work. And it doesn't work out!

Peace
Trez

 

[Micker]

Breaking a board is a big showboat thing that isn't hard to do. It impresses the people who don't realize its pretty easy. Mike Tyson can punch A LOT harder then Bruce Lee could ever dream of.

 

[Micker]

Breaking a board is a big showboat thing that isn't hard to do. It impresses the people who don't realize its pretty easy. Mike Tyson can punch A LOT harder then Bruce Lee could ever dream of.

Karate is more about speed and accuracy. A punch is a punch and there is no special ancient chinese secret punch. A boxer trains for power more then a karate student, so I would imagine both people being of similar size, that the boxer would have a stronger punch, while the karate student would probably have much better kicking power.

 

[Djimbe]

Breaking a board is a big showboat thing that isn't hard to do. It impresses the people who don't realize its pretty easy.

Breaking A SINGLE board is easy .

Work your way up to Twenty , then tell me that same thing .

Mike Tyson can punch A LOT harder then Bruce Lee could ever dream of.

Well , seeing as Bruce Lee was a Scrub ACTOR that had never been in a real fight as an adult with less than 2 years of Instruction in his lifetime that weighed about ONE HUNDERED LBS LESS than Tyson , a guy with a LIFETIME of good Coaching - and that pesky extra 100 lbs of muscle - yeah , Id say that that was Correct ...

but not for the reason of what MA they did .

Karate is more about speed and accuracy.

Whos karate ? Surely not "Ill Punch A Bull Once And Kill IT" Mas Oyama's Karate wasnt !

And more about "Speed And Accuracy" than WHOS Boxing ? Surely not Judah , or Tzu's ? You DO realise that most Bouts DONT end in KOs , dont you ?

A punch is a punch

Wrong .

Actually , even within the Confines of your Oh-So-Lauded sport of Boxing there are Two Punches . One they USED to use BEFORE Gloves , and the one they use NOW . Seriously , look it up - theres a DISTINCT difference . You see , Im a bit of a Student of the history of the game of Boxing , and Boxing Trainers do what WINS WITHIN THE RULES OF BOXING - no one gives a DAMN what the Impirically best way to do things is , they care about how to win BOXING MATCHES .

and there is no special ancient chinese secret punch.

Actually , you couldnt be more Wrong . There are "Special Chinese" Punches . well , I dont know how "Secret" or "Ancient" they are , however there ARE different Hitting Methods that you seem to be Blissfully unaware of . Id be happy to Enlighten you as to what they were , but I dont think that you would do anything save doubt their Efficacy .

http://crane.50megs.com/index2.html

There is a COUPLE of Hitting Methods from a SINGLE system . IT explains why there are Forms , To teach the body the proper Mechanics , what forces are acting upon the body in Motion , etc .

A boxer trains for power more then a karate student,

Actually , if you knew ANYTHING about the sport of Boxing you would know that one of the MOST often tossed about phrases by even the GREATEST of Trainers is "You Cant Teach Power !" . In Boxing Trainers tend to work with what theyve got . They dont look for what isnt there , they just find a way to Enhance , and win with whats already present .

so I would imagine both people being of similar size, that the boxer would have a stronger punch, while the karate student would probably have much better kicking power.

You can IMAGINE whatever it is you like , but that seems to have very little to do with Reality .

 

[Micker]

I was generalizing a bit. Calling Bruce lee an Actor is like calling Chuck Norris an actor. Sure they starred in movies, but they WERE followers and leaders in martial arts. Bruce lee did start his own, martial arts style so to speak in Jeet Kune Do. He was as much of a martial artist as anyone I can think of, having dedicated his life to it.

I used Bruce Lee, because he represents the total bullshit that hollywood feeds us about martial arts. Hollywood makes you think anyone with a black belt is a deadly weapon. That when you learn karate you suddenly learn a secret punch that lets you break boards!!!! OMG!!!! Its bullshit. I went to karate tournements and people were doing kata and breaking boards. The crowd was in awe, but the boards were little pieces of wood, easily broken. I have people tell me that Bruce Lee could beat anyone up and never lost a fight. Come on, he was good, but he was just too small PERIOD. Martial Arts has this mystery and wonderment attached to it, fed to us through the media. One inch punches, flipping men without touching them, Ninja who can disappear etc.. All this hype leads to the original poster asking if anyone but a karate student can break a board.

"You Cant Teach Power !"

You can't teach maximum power, but you can teach/train to develop MORE power or to reach your maximum, and if a boxing coach can't teach power, then a karate master can't teach power.

My point is breaking a board proves nothing about your skill. Breaking several boards is about strength and power, and could be developed with ZERO knowledge about karate or boxing. The maximum boards a person could break would come down to the persons size and strength(punch power).

 

[Djimbe]

I was generalizing a bit. Calling Bruce lee an Actor is like calling Chuck Norris an actor. Sure they starred in movies, but they WERE followers and leaders in martial arts.

WRONG . The difference between Noirris and Lee is that NORRIS was a LEGIT CHAMPION in his Sport , and ACTUALLY EARNED BLACK BELTS in THREE SYSTEMS ! Lee NEVER EVER Earned a BB or Teaching Cirtificate in ANY style , and he NEVER fought ANYONE as an Adult .

Bruce lee did start his own, martial arts style so to speak in Jeet Kune Do.

Wich NO ONE USES to any level of Success ! Even Inosanto just teaches BJJ+MT + a Little Kali thrown in now ! Lee "Invented" a PLATYPUS of uselessness . No one using "Jun Fan" or "Jeet Kune Do" has EVER done ANYTHING in the MMA/MT/KB World - and its MADE UP OF SPORTS SYSTEMS ! Now tell me how its "Really A Philosophy ...." Twaddle . I could make up my Own MA centering around Poo-Flinging , and that dosent mean SQUAT .

He was as much of a martial artist as anyone I can think of, having dedicated his life to it.

There is an IMMENSE difference between ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK and HUMBLING YOURSELF and paying Lip Service to it , and reaping the Rewards of having a Great Rap .

And seriously dude , training in your backyard to a "Style" wich you made up yourself with less than 2 years of actual Instruction ?

Thats what most of us call a Yard Tard .

I used Bruce Lee, because he represents the total bullshit that hollywood feeds us about martial arts. Hollywood makes you think anyone with a black belt is a deadly weapon.

The above statement is so true - ESPECIALLY in Refrence to Lee that I can do nothing but nod at it .

That when you learn karate you suddenly learn a secret punch that lets you break boards!!!! OMG!!!! Its bullshit. I went to karate tournements and people were doing kata and breaking boards. The crowd was in awe, but the boards were little pieces of wood, easily broken.

Ill say it again , there ARE no Secrets ! Most ppl I know are HAPPY to Teach and share what they know . Hell , I know all KINDS of Hitting MEthods and I show ppl for Free all the TIME !

HOWEVER ...

You found some McDojo TKD school where they Break Baked Balsa Boards (say THAT 5X fast ! HA) ... SO WHAT ? THEY dont Train hard , Goody for them , but that dosent Negate the ppl that USE the REAL Boards for TRAINING now does it ? Nor does it negate the fact that if you stack enough of them in a row it becomes Difficult .

I have people tell me that Bruce Lee could beat anyone up and never lost a fight. Come on, he was good, but he was just too small PERIOD.

Well , its easy to not lose something you have never been in . He has a PERFECT record of Zero Wins , Zero Losses , and Zero Draws .

Martial Arts has this mystery and wonderment attached to it, fed to us through the media. One inch punches, flipping men without touching them, Ninja who can disappear etc.. All this hype leads to the original poster asking if anyone but a karate student can break a board.

There are different Training methods ,and ther4e are different HITTING methods . Theres noithing "Secret" , or "Miraculous" about them , but LOOK at the LINK

http://crane.50megs.com/index2.html

there IS a SCIENCE to it .

You can't teach maximum power,

Sure you can . Says Who ?

but you can teach/train to develop MORE power or to reach your maximum, and if a boxing coach can't teach power, then a karate master can't teach power.

Well , I can , and Im not "Master" anybody .

My point is breaking a board proves nothing about your skill. Breaking several boards is about strength and power, and could be developed with ZERO knowledge about karate or boxing. The maximum boards a person could break would come down to the persons size and strength(punch power).

Wrong .

Technique amplifies Strength into greater Power . There are MANY techniques for Amplifying what you have into something more . Proper Standing , proper Breathing , proper Body Mechanics ...

 

[Big Rick Rock]

You can teach power.
You can teach someone to use proper form, thus projecting more power into their strikes.

I think JKD has done more for what MMA is today than most other martial arts have.
The JKD mentality is to learn and use what fits YOU as an individual, and NOT be limited by one style or form. Somewhere in there, after Bruce Lee died, they got greedy and instituted a belt system and MLM type crap that BL never wanted...
But then there were the guys who broke away and created the kick ass SBGi... Still, the idea in itself is great.



-BRR