Bulking while building endurance?

[notno]

I wanna build muscle thats for sure. So that given I lift heavy/low reps and throw in a warm up set of light weight high reps. I dont wanna burn my muscle off though by cardio,I dont want wasted effort.

However to me endurance(cardio,not muscular) is just as important as pure brute strength. I plan to do cardio 2-3 times a day(no shit!) I am currently bulking(a meal every hour or two),5000 healthy cals.at least a gallon and a half water a day,with cardio though,I imagine it will be doubled. (Its all good foods) Heres what I am currently scheming-lift when wake. Jog/walk after Box,or swim,or speedbag at noon. Jog/walk around 7 or 8 pm. Protein and carbs are my main diet,fat is minimum.


Heres my question, I am bulking and getting 2-3ooo cals over my maintance. I am gonna have to do extensive cardio,as I hope to join the marines here in a few mos,and my cardio is worth shit.However,I do not wanna lose muscle,just fat.Any advice?

 

[faller]

really, with that much cardio (how long each time btw?) youre going to lose muscle. I tried to be muscular while marathon running, end result was I was a slow runner, and not muscular. You can probably keep STRENGTH pretty decent and do cardio, meaning using low reps, high weight (I would imagine this will be more useful in the service as well).

 

[notno]

As I said my cardio is worth shit.I imagine I wont jog too long,I will prob jog till tired,recover by walk,jog,maybe 20-30mintues.

Why do you lose muscle with cardio?I just want my endurance on that to be tip top,and keep it that way. I dont wanna be a freakish huge guy,I want muscle because muscle=strength right?
Will I not make any gains muscular wise with that much cardio involved(I dont like low weigh high reps except for warm up)

I will still eat like a horse.And train same.

 

[JKurz1]

you can still build quality endurance with cardio 2-3 times / week.....geezus, a little excessive........

 

[notno]

I know,I dont want quality,I want freaky.
Lets pretend here.I know this can not be determined,but try to estimate. At my current plan,how much muscle %age would I lose at this rate of 3 times a day? I can deal with a little,it also helps cure my mental well-being too,and I have the time.

 

[aerowana]

But I thought building muscle needs higher reps? And lower reps heavy weights are for strength but not muscle mass?

 

[notno]

I am pretty sure that a high weight 4-6 times(one you could max at 4-6 at) developes a certain type of fiber thats for muscle/mass and lower weight/higher reps,10-15 is for fibers that help endurance on the muscle.I am pretty certain.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I am pretty sure that a high weight 4-6 times(one you could max at 4-6 at) developes a certain type of fiber thats for muscle/mass and lower weight/higher reps,10-15 is for fibers that help endurance on the muscle.I am pretty certain.

this is what i thought too.


QUICK GET NEEDSIZE IN HERE TO HELP US OUT!!

 

[needsize]

I've always been under the belief that heavy low reps taget fast twitch and lighter higher reps target slow twitch fibres. Most of my mass has come it the 5-6 rep range, but I always stay within 5-10 reps.
When bulking I dont do cardio, hell I havent done any since August, but you can see from my progress pics that I didnt turn into a fat guy

 

[Sub-Zero]

when people become muscularly bigger, they use up more calories in daily life to sustaine their size, correct?


but how does that compare to the actual training- what takes up more calories, the actual training (lifting) or just being a huge guy.

the reason i ask this:

is it possible for a guy to lift seriously, but not go through bulking, and still get decent size and strength, and do little to no cardio, and be a not fat person.

i know i phrased this pretty confusingly, but i cant think of any other way to ask

 

[JKurz1]

NS - No cardio???? and your workouts are short and intense <1hr? Must work.......I'll nix the cardio, or at least cur back and see how it goes....hate feeling lazy though.......

 

[notno]

I think I am just going to go as planned.2-3 20minutes+sessions a day,2 of which are light intense(jog/walk) and 1 which is heavy(noon) I will probabally use some 5lbs leg weights(velcro thingS) and 2 little girl dumbells(like 3 or 5 lbs) and move them in a curl like formation while running. Although I will burn some good nutrients/muscle,I will still have some from lifting,assuming its always intense,and with the weights with cardio,it should help tone the endurance fibers very well. I mean I get 2-3000 cals over my maintaince,not trying to burn fat,trying to help my heart/lungs

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Don't use the word "tone".

You can't target specific muscle fibers. A good analogy I've heard in the past was that, saying you can target one set without hitting the other is like saying you can reach 1000 RPM and skip 500. You can't do it.

The muscles only know they're being stimulated. If it's under the lactic acid threshold (I guess you could say) it will be able to cause muscular hypertrophy. Above that "threshold" you will begin building towards muscular endurance. The lower reps tax the CNS more and, I think how it goes is, teaches your body to more effectively recruit fibers.

Studies that have been done show reps in the 8-12 range to be ideal for muscular hypertrophy. Nothing is set in stone, however.

I think you can do the cardio just fine. You'll earn yourself some muscle, keep in good shape, and won't put on fat. People grow without eating in a caloric excess (non-beginners, as well) - it just depends how far along they are in their gains. If someone's "minimum" amount of muscle (amount they'd have regardless of training) was 12" on their arms, let's say, I feel they could reach maybe 15.5" or so without a solid diet and heavy cardio, and the body would adapt. To break past that point and grow further, you would then have to really start pushing in extra calories. This is what a lot of bodybuilders tend to do. They need all that excess. The body deems all that muscle useless. A couple inches add to your "bare minimum", though, won't be seen as such and is probably achievable through simply training intensely. Don't worry too much about the other shit. I've seen too many examples showing that this isn't necessary.

 

[notno]

See,I dont do this to look good or for some show.(Alway looking good is an unfortunate side-effect I simply wanna be healthy,and strong. I like muscle,and I agree that I can still make significant gains in size,while doing the extreme cardio,as long as I keep a high cal diet,and lifting.It also allows me to eat more meals(3-4 more) and 2 gallons of water a day is a snap! Heres one thing I hear alot,it may just one of many myths out,but I hear if you do cardio on an empty stomacH(before eat when wake) then you just burn fat.Is any truth to that ?
I always wake,eat,lift,big fuckin prot.shake after,then I stretch real good(10-20 minutes,whole body) and do cardio.

I find that stretching is something I am always doing while resting(tv,etc) but Can you over-stretch?(I dont mean holding a position until *pain*,I mean throughout the day)

 

[Tom Treutlein]

You cannot over-stretch to my knowledge.

I too feel you can make gains while doing all that cardio. It's certainly not impossible. Eating 2-3k over your maintenance probably isn't either. The body's going to grow, regardless. People say the last thing the body uses its resources for is increasing muscle. I don't feel this is true. If anything, I would think the body would follow some kind of plan towards homeostasis and take a little bit of resources away from everything else to compensate for the lack of nutrients necessary for the muscle tissue growth.

 

[needsize]

Whether or not you can gain mass while doing cardio has a lot to do with how much mass you have already put on your frame. A beginner can do just about anything and grow. In my situation, I am eating as many calories as I can possibly fit in my stomach, and its barely enough to grow. If I did cardio on top of that, it wouldnt be enough calories and i would never grow

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Exactly. Needsize said what I've been trying to very simply.

 

[JKurz1]

NS - is you rountine <1hr? How many days do you train and what do you do on your off days?

 

[bigstve12]

hey man if your joing the marines, no use in adding size, after being in the core your gonna lose it all anyways...at least at first during basic training...itll be a while before you can add size again

 

[JKurz1]

NS - where are you bro?

 

[theoak01]

Im taking a police foundations course and I started fall semester(sept) running a level 4 in the shuttle run,and between then and dec I added 18lbs and got to a level 7 in the shuttle run by doing cardio twice a week, 2-3 a day is overkill bro

 

[JKurz1]

COnsensus about days off

I trained 6 days a week with cardio 3-4x week...........Now, I'm switching to 2 on and 1 off (2 days off/week) with cardio on the off days.........how many days do you guys train?