Bulker w/ LR3 IGF-1

[Daddylongleg]

I know ya'll get a lot of newbies asking for help on their cycle. I rarely ask for advice on my cycles, but IGF is very new to me. I've read extensively on it and feel this is the best place to get advice on how to properly incorporate it into my cycle.

I'm starting a late bulker this december. test e. 1g 1-12, d-bol 50mg 1-6, tren 100mg ed 5-12. HCG and clomid post cycle. I plan on using LR3 IGF-1 for 4 weeks @ 50mcg/day. Just not sure if I should use it as a starter, finisher, w/ pct, or in the middle. I'm not dead set on the dosaging, so please feel free to advise on anything.

Also, is intestinal/internal organ growth inevitable or a side from long-term use? I'll appreciate any insight you fellas can give. Thankx!

 

[muscleup]

well from what I have read you are better off spending the money on food and gear rather than the IGF-1...seems a bit overrated to me...Bump I'll bump it for you.

 

[02gixxersix]

Yeah i really wanted to try igf but I haven't really heard any good reviews. The rest of the cycle looks good.

 

[ripper2]

i'd use it at the end of the cycle. either the last 4 weeks or overlap it with the PCT. since its not supressive it wont' inhibit your attempts to bring your test back up and should help you hold onto some size during that time.

 

[psychedout]

The only reasonable use for lr3 igf-1 is bridging IMO.

 

[Daddylongleg]

thanks guys, I may use it at the end of my cycle overlapped w/ pct, I like that idea. Is there an optimal injection time? Post workout?


Excerpt from Author Rea's Steroid Q & A part 8

Question:
What's the big deal about IGF-1? That stuff costs big bucks. Isn't hGH better anyway?


Answer:
Better is always a relative point in the world of hard-core chemical muscle enhancement. What if I told you that due to correct application of IGF-1 I once added 16 lbs of new lean tissue in only 28 days and got harder... without any AAS? This is not regrowth after a long lay-off. This was after a mass gaining protocol employing AAS. Several others have of course had similar experiences as well... with the correct application of IGF-1.

To begin with let it be said that GH can have profound positive effects upon any athlete's musculature if the protocol is sound and takes into account the body's Action/Reaction Factors. This simply means that the best results can be obtained when an athlete's physiology is working with, instead of against, the chemistry employed. To be even more blunt, it often amazes me how many hard-core athletes will administer a couple of grams of androgens weekly in conjunction with substances that actually block androgen receptors or activity. Action/Reaction Factors must be anticipated and correctly responded to.

The Right IGF-1?

A point of issue that is directly of interest here is choosing between IGF-1 and Long R-3 IGF-1. It seems often forgotten that hormones are either unbound/free or bound/inactive. An unbound/free hormone can merge with its receptor and do its thing (Like IGF-1 triggers major muscle anabolism). A bound/inactive hormone is too fat and misshaped to merge, but it does have a longer active and half-life. (Huh?) IGF-1 has an active-life of only a few minutes in its unbound/free state but has an active-life of about 12 hours in its bound/inactive state…but the latter has no activity or anabolic value because it is fat due to a binding protein attached.

A Proper Amount of S & M... Please

The S & M team that ties up IGF-1 are called binding proteins. In particular we are focusing on the binding protein IGF-1BP-3. It would seem that if all of our super anabolic IGF-1 was unbound we could grow to Mr. Olympia proportions overnight. Sadly this is not true. When a hormone is active/unbound, as it travels around the circulatory system it can be destroyed rather easily by the liver.

If we were speaking of naturally produced (endogenous) or common pharmacological parental (injectable & exogenous) IGF-1 this would be a bad idea as the body's cells (like muscle and stuff) need a prolonged and multiple periods of exposure to IGF-1 to trigger a significant degree of growth.

So maybe the goal would be to adjust the amount of IGF-1BP-3 in the body to a point where less is destroyed by the liver, yet more is active. Hmmm?

Enter Long R-3 IGF-1

No, this is not some irritating robot in the Star Wars prequels, and I did not name the stuff either. Long R-3 IGF-1 is several more times potent then regular IGF-1. In fact it would require a few milligrams of regular IGF-1 to equal only 50 micrograms of Long R-3 IGF-1 in activity and results. Think about that: 1 milligram (mg) = 1000 micrograms (mcg). That is powerful stuff. Long R-3 IGF-1 is resistant to binding proteins. In particular to IGF-1BP-3. The result of use of this super anabolic is less available binding proteins yet more activity. This translates into a lot of lean muscle growth. Personally I have always been a little awed by its effects. Like what, you ask? How about 16-20 pounds of new lean mass in only 28 days? And this is the effect upon experienced AAS (Anabolic Androgenic Steroid) users! Not enough? Most get leaner and more vascular as they grow. AND STRONGER!

Ya, that is a pretty big deal... and a little scary as well.


Anyone know of proper application of this stuff to obtain the results he hypes?

 

[Daddylongleg]

also, would the addition of eq to my cycle make much of a difference? (800mg/week 1-12)

 

[galaxy]

I may give it a try again when jintropin releases it in 2004. I think I got ripped by Cyber-solutionz considering one of the owners of the site who is also the administrator of musclechemistry said he was locked out by his other partner and had no access to anything because his partner changed emails and took everything, yet this same administrator opened his own research site 24hrs later? Bullshit! In a perfect world with a pink sky you might be able to get all those raw materials 24hrs later but not under my blue sky! I tried questioning him, but he just deleted all the threads and sent me a pm saying all good source can get the materials in 24hrs and to stop questioning him? Okie dokie. Of course complaints from others that only half orders were being filled meant nothing to him. Anyway , when jintropin releases it and I can get it direct I'll try it. Its just to easy to stick 1cc of BA in a vial and sell it for $250 and make a quick profit and then cash out.

 

[Daddylongleg]

I don't think cyber-solutionz is the only place to find it. Given that I can obtain a legit product, what would be the best way to obtain the results Author is refering? 4 weeks 50mcg/day is the norm, but when to inject and where? I've been told post workout in the trained muscle. Thoughts anyone?

And, anyone think I'll gain another 5-10 by adding bold 800mg/wk to my bulker?

 

[galaxy]

Just keep us updated please.

 

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