Building my "HRT" program..

[ArmaniAK47]

I have this in the Anabolic Steroids forum because it will be far beyond average hrt..

please allow it to remain... :

I want a "baseline" beat to my anabolic rhythm that far surpasses the average human, even at peak levels.

My doc. has me on 200mgs Testosterone Cypionate every 2 weeks..

Given that delivery is 70mgs test per 100mgs test cypionate and it is delivered (assuming stability) over 14 days.. that is 10mg per day of test after it is all said and done.. Not bad, but I'd like more than peak natural levels...

I am going to try and get him to up me, in the end, to 200-300mgs per week..

At any rate: I am building onto this therapy with things he cannot give me..

I am considering this:

Every Monday:
200-300mgs Testosterone cypionate
100mgs Methenolone Enanthate (primo)
50mgs Nandrolone Decanoate (deca)

Then shaking it up a bit for my cycles, what do you think?

also; do you think the deca hurt my dick at all?

 

[Nelson Montana]

My advice.

100 mgs of enth a week

UNLEASHED daily

POST CYCLE daily with one week off every other month.

1/4 tab of a-dex every three days alternating weekly with 1/4 tab of aromasan every three days.

Once every 6 weeks -- HCG or HMG

For anaoccasional cycle, add 400 mgs of primo for 6 weeks.

Do PCT.

Repeat.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

sounds like an idea nelson.. perhaps when I've grown a bit more and want to slow down.

I'm really anti anti-e.. anything I could use in place of them with that hrt program?

any other concepts, anyone?

 

[MSA122]

agree with Nelson; 100 mg/week is better; maybe you can get that bumped a little. Your doc wont prescribe 300 mg/week unless you have documented very high natural test that fell off, or if that's what it takes to get you to a good natural level, not very likely. Every week vs. 2 weeks made a big diference to me.

As to the cycling, WAIT until your doc has your baseline therapy worked out before jumping in since you'll likely get a retest in a few months to see how the therapy is going and get the levels adjusted. I've seen several notes from people about getting kicked off of TRT by their docs since they were cycling on top.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

probably a good call msa122.. I will be cautious as to the cycling.. can't make gains too fast or he'll catch on..

as for the tests, he had me on androgel 5g/day.. he tests my levels every 4mo's.. just switched me to shots.

true, he may never give me 300/week.. but he could move me to 200 a week if I can figure out how to test low.. -shrug-..

(just kidding, of course.. i'd never try and dupe a test...............)

if he got me to 200/week.. i could accept that or add 100 with my primo/deca shot..

 

[Nelson Montana]

agree with Nelson; 100 mg/week is better; maybe you can get that bumped a little. Your doc wont prescribe 300 mg/week unless you have documented very high natural test that fell off, or if that's what it takes to get you to a good natural level, not very likely. Every week vs. 2 weeks made a big diference to me.

As to the cycling, WAIT until your doc has your baseline therapy worked out before jumping in since you'll likely get a retest in a few months to see how the therapy is going and get the levels adjusted. I've seen several notes from people about getting kicked off of TRT by their docs since they were cycling on top.

I too am not a big advocate of anti e's but the natty anti e in POST CYCLE and 1/4 tab of dex twice a week isn't very much and older men tend to need it with or without HRT.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

agree with Nelson; 100 mg/week is better; maybe you can get that bumped a little. Your doc wont prescribe 300 mg/week unless you have documented very high natural test that fell off, or if that's what it takes to get you to a good natural level, not very likely. Every week vs. 2 weeks made a big diference to me.

As to the cycling, WAIT until your doc has your baseline therapy worked out before jumping in since you'll likely get a retest in a few months to see how the therapy is going and get the levels adjusted. I've seen several notes from people about getting kicked off of TRT by their docs since they were cycling on top.

How would you know this information, do you two see the same Dr. and have the same levels?

100-250mg a week is fine. As for the rest of it, try it and see how it goes. I would think the primo will get expensive after awhile. I would also use 12.5mg aromasin ED or EOD along with HCG.

 

[MSA122]

How would you know this information, do you two see the same Dr. and have the same levels?

100-250mg a week is fine. As for the rest of it, try it and see how it goes. I would think the primo will get expensive after awhile. I would also use 12.5mg aromasin ED or EOD along with HCG.

you obviouslly don't know anything about TRT, and didn't read the rest of the comment, so not sure why you're posting on this thread. there is a big diference between TRT and "clinics" that prescribe cycles. the body produces a trivial amount of test vs. a cycle, 100 mg is more than most people produce in their prime, rarely does more than 200 mg ever need to be prescribed for TRT, which is why people cruise and blast to get the higher levels they want during a cycle.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I feel you msa122, if a person injected 100mg every week they'd build up to a 10mg per day delivery.. which is the top range of natural..

but as I stated.. I'd like to be supranatural, all the time..

The Nurse practitioner in this endocrinology office said they usually "start people off at 200mg every two weeks" on injections ... felt like it was a number that could be increased from her inflection..

I unfortunatly think I am going to read high in a few months.. without any extra goodies.. I need to do some research on quick reduction of test levels in bloodstream... (just kidding)

the primo will get annoyingly expensive at just over 5 bottles a year for my baseline.. but I hear nothing but good things about it..

(Nelson and the others, I do appreciate your input and advice! but I'd like to go a bit higher.. could you spare me a little extra nugget of knowledge.. do you think my idea is outlandish?)

also:
the natural anti-e in post cycle sounds like a good idea to run all the time anyways.. I may give it a shot.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I feel you msa122, if a person injected 100mg every week they'd build up to a 10mg per day delivery.. which is the top range of natural..

but as I stated.. I'd like to be supranatural, all the time..

The Nurse practitioner in this endocrinology office said they usually "start people off at 200mg every two weeks" on injections ... felt like it was a number that could be increased from her inflection..

I unfortunatly think I am going to read high in a few months.. without any extra goodies.. I need to do some research on quick reduction of test levels in bloodstream... (just kidding)

the primo will get annoyingly expensive at just over 5 bottles a year for my baseline.. but I hear nothing but good things about it..

(Nelson and the others, I do appreciate your input and advice! but I'd like to go a bit higher.. could you spare me a little extra nugget of knowledge.. do you think my idea is outlandish?)

also:
the natural anti-e in post cycle sounds like a good idea to run all the time anyways.. I may give it a shot.

You can go higher. but realize, this is for life and there are potential consequnces. Just get a blood test every few months and keep an eye on it.

 

[OMEGA]

great ideas Nelson

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

you obviouslly don't know anything about TRT, and didn't read the rest of the comment, so not sure why you're posting on this thread. there is a big diference between TRT and "clinics" that prescribe cycles. the body produces a trivial amount of test vs. a cycle, 100 mg is more than most people produce in their prime, rarely does more than 200 mg ever need to be prescribed for TRT, which is why people cruise and blast to get the higher levels they want during a cycle.

I don't ever remember attacking you so why do you have this attitude with me? I was just asking a question that's it. I'm trying to understand what you're saying.

As far as you saying I know nothing about trt, how would you even know anything about me or my trt knowledge? Do you personally know me and know my medical history?

I have been on trt for three years and it is prescribed so you are in fact incorrect about my knowledge.


Here is YOUR exact quote I am refering to:
Your doc wont prescribe 300 mg/week unless you have documented very high natural test that fell off

This is exactly what I posted the question about. How is this in any way shape or form "not reading the entire post"? I just don't understand how you make a vague statement like this without knowing the patient and or his medical history.

Dr.s do NOT all prescribe the same dose per person. There is no chart which states "if you have low test then you need "x" amount for trt". It doesn't work that way.

You're also incorrect in stating this:

100 mg is more than most people produce in their prime, rarely does more than 200 mg ever need to be prescribed for TRT

200mg? Are you serious? What about people who dose differently? Where are the studies to support your claims or is this all heresay or "brology" were talking about here?

I don't do drama and I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you. I'm just calling it as it is.

 

[Dial_tone]

He's right. 100mg is more than most humans produce. Everybody on more than that is doing what the OP is doing, which is trying to find a legal way to justify steroid cycles. I don't have a problem with that but call a spade a spade. People doing 200-400mg/week like some guys on other forums aren't fooling anyone but themselves.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

He's right. 100mg is more than most humans produce. Everybody on more than that is doing what the OP is doing, which is trying to find a legal way to justify steroid cycles. I don't have a problem with that but call a spade a spade. People doing 200-400mg/week like some guys on other forums aren't fooling anyone but themselves.

My endo has me at 125mg a week and my tested blood levels are between 700-805 ng/dl.

His "range" is from 250 - 1270ng/dl

I agree with everything else you're saying. 400mg a week is a cycle to me.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Right.. maybe I made a mistake by calling it an HRT program..

I was meaning to have the hrt part be a little satirical..

I want something I do all the time and have as my baseline.. not necissarily a "healthy guys normal hrt"..

I want to keep my skills and strengths far beyond a normal persons.. I figured that 200mg test 100mg primo and 50mg deca would be *fairly safe* and far beyone a normal person..

 

[Dial_tone]

Right.. maybe I made a mistake by calling it an HRT program..

I was meaning to have the hrt part be a little satirical..

I want something I do all the time and have as my baseline.. not necissarily a "healthy guys normal hrt"..

I want to keep my skills and strengths far beyond a normal persons.. I figured that 200mg test 100mg primo and 50mg deca would be *fairly safe* and far beyone a normal person..

My problem with you calling it HRT is when someone comes here and searches for legitimate HRT advice this thread is what they'll get.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

My problem with you calling it HRT is when someone comes here and searches for legitimate HRT advice this thread is what they'll get.

You're right.. that may have been a mistake on my part.. and I'd hate to confuse someone that way..

but reading my actual post I noted I wanted a "supranatural" program..

how do you feel about my.. let's call it.. "year round" cycle?

 

[JuicedAthletics]

You aren't on HRT, you are cycling without end. I am on a doc prescribed HRT program. I have one of the most aggressive docs in the area. My schedule is 100mg of cypionate every 7th day, the two days prior to injection I take HCG at 250ius, clomid is every other day at 25mg. I have arimidex prescribed at .25mg every other day but I dont take it.

With this protocal I am above the high range of normal, actually out of range. No HRT doc is going to prescribe you anything higher. You can call a juice shack (rejuvenation clinic) and get higher doses, but that isn't for me.

Be smart with this. HRT isn't test, primo and deca. You could screw yourself up for the long run

 

[ArmaniAK47]

You aren't on HRT, you are cycling without end. I am on a doc prescribed HRT program. I have one of the most aggressive docs in the area. My schedule is 100mg of cypionate every 7th day, the two days prior to injection I take HCG at 250ius, clomid is every other day at 25mg. I have arimidex prescribed at .25mg every other day but I dont take it.

With this protocal I am above the high range of normal, actually out of range. No HRT doc is going to prescribe you anything higher. You can call a juice shack (rejuvenation clinic) and get higher doses, but that isn't for me.

Be smart with this. HRT isn't test, primo and deca. You could screw yourself up for the long run

I appreciate your response brother.. and I am glad you are concerned about me screwwing myself up..

I am low test and prescribed 200mgs testosterone cypionate every 2 weeks.. but no ancilliaries.. I may convince my endo. to raise it to 200/week.. (that'd be about perfect I think..)

I was just looking to 'beef up' my panel with the primo/deca.. I will take caution to what I am using.. and may yet check out a rejuvenation clinic for any extra goodies I may need.. ^ ^

 

[Dial_tone]

I don't see your age anywhere. If you're of legit HRT age and planning on staying on for life there's no harm in cycling higher a couple of times per year as long as you continue to have bloodwork done. If you're under 35-40 I would seriously rethink it. 5-10 years from now you may very well feel differently about lifting, about children, etc. You don't want to paint yourself into a corner. I'm 45, childless but still not sure I want that door closed for good. I've been lifting for 30+ years but I stayed clean for 20 of those years because being huge and cut was secondary to establishing a career.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I don't see your age anywhere. If you're of legit HRT age and planning on staying on for life there's no harm in cycling higher a couple of times per year as long as you continue to have bloodwork done. If you're under 35-40 I would seriously rethink it. 5-10 years from now you may very well feel differently about lifting, about children, etc. You don't want to paint yourself into a corner. I'm 45, childless but still not sure I want that door closed for good. I've been lifting for 30+ years but I stayed clean for 20 of those years because being huge and cut was secondary to establishing a career.

I am younger than 25..

This is true, and although I have made the choice to be on something forever I need to carefully consider what I am putting into myself for the next...40-60-75 years..

I havn't ruled children out.. (I may have one already.. it's a long story.. bitch wont talk to me or let me get paternity so I kind of figured it wasnt mine..even though she said it is..)

I do find my body and my skills to be of more importance that worrying about sterility though.. If I want to try for kids someday I will try hcg, if it doesnt work.. it is a sacrifice I decided to make..

but health wise I need to consider these things carefully..

I think perhaps with the riggors of my diet and exercise my "program" with added cycles here and there may be okay..

I think I will try starting lower.. maybe 200mgs test e2weeks.. with 100mgs primo e2weeks?

If you were in my shoes.. and already on permanent test replacement.. what would you do if you wanted to stay about 1.5 - 3 times natural?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am younger than 25..

This is true, and although I have made the choice to be on something forever I need to carefully consider what I am putting into myself for the next...40-60-75 years..

I havn't ruled children out.. (I may have one already.. it's a long story.. bitch wont talk to me or let me get paternity so I kind of figured it wasnt mine..even though she said it is..)

I do find my body and my skills to be of more importance that worrying about sterility though.. If I want to try for kids someday I will try hcg, if it doesnt work.. it is a sacrifice I decided to make..

but health wise I need to consider these things carefully..

I think perhaps with the riggors of my diet and exercise my "program" with added cycles here and there may be okay..

I think I will try starting lower.. maybe 200mgs test e2weeks.. with 100mgs primo e2weeks?

If you were in my shoes.. and already on permanent test replacement.. what would you do if you wanted to stay about 1.5 - 3 times natural?

It's not even a decision. Going on HRT now is a mistake. Period.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I am younger than 25..

This is true, and although I have made the choice to be on something forever I need to carefully consider what I am putting into myself for the next...40-60-75 years..

I havn't ruled children out.. (I may have one already.. it's a long story.. bitch wont talk to me or let me get paternity so I kind of figured it wasnt mine..even though she said it is..)

I do find my body and my skills to be of more importance that worrying about sterility though.. If I want to try for kids someday I will try hcg, if it doesnt work.. it is a sacrifice I decided to make..

but health wise I need to consider these things carefully..

I think perhaps with the riggors of my diet and exercise my "program" with added cycles here and there may be okay..

I think I will try starting lower.. maybe 200mgs test e2weeks.. with 100mgs primo e2weeks?

If you were in my shoes.. and already on permanent test replacement.. what would you do if you wanted to stay about 1.5 - 3 times natural?

Geezus bro. If I was you at 25, instead of screwing myself forever, I'd be looking everywhere around the world to try to restore my natural production if there was a chance.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Damn guys.. I appreciate your concerns..

but it's a choice I do not regret.. I have been on doctor HRT for like 6 months..

I'm glad I have this chance to be "more than normal"..

I will take it slow, and carefully consider all of your advice..

I appreciate the answers and guidance..