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Well, I'm going to have to go on record as disagreeing with a few of my colleagues here.

The truth of the matter is that it DOES NOT take weeks for steroids to reach peak levels, for the very fact that they have a half life of only 14 days. (Give or take depending on the ester). It's not like the first few injections won't work. Of course, the second week will be stronger because you'll still have some of the ester from the first week active. But by week 3, you're not ADDING anything. You're just maintaining a certain level if dosing is the same.


I have blood work proving otherwise. Tested just over 2 weeks in and again 8 weeks in. I'm just gonna say now my levels were a good bit higher .
 
Comparative pharmacokinetics of testosterone en... [Int J Androl. 1984] - PubMed - NCBI
The pharmacokinetics of 2 testosterone esters, testosterone enanthate and testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate, were compared in a single blind crossover study in healthy young men. Their effects on serum and salivary levels of testosterone, as well as on the serum levels of LH, FSH and prolactin were measured after the injection of doses equivalent to 140 mg free testosterone. Both preparations yielded supraphysiological testosterone levels in serum and saliva as early as 2 h following injection, reaching peak levels 4 to 5 times above basal between 8 and 24 h. LH and FSH levels were suppressed as long as serum testosterone levels were elevated. Nine days after injecting testosterone enanthate and 7 days after giving testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate, serum and salivary levels of testosterone had returned to basal. The longer activity of testosterone enanthate was also evidenced from more extended suppression of gonadotrophin levels. Although neither preparation is ideal because of the initial supraphysiological peaks, testosterone enanthate appears preferable for clinical use because of its slightly longer duration of action.



However nelson is absolutely right though that your test levels are elevated well above normal the very second you are done injecting even testosterone Ethenate. I mean this study^^^^^^ right here proves it without a doubt. So yes you can start gaining right away no reason you cant. So Nelsons Idea of short cycles is not wrong or even a bad Idea at all. He is write you can start gaining right away. Within 1-8 hours of injecting as little as 140mg of test your blood levels of test is 5 times normal if not more...

But that does not mean your levles are peaked by any means.
 
well i would like to see one single test that shows that it does not take time to reach peak levels of all the different esters and steroids bro.. No in my experence i have seen a billion that show it takes time for these drugs to build up in the system..

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So you'e saying that if someone take 500 mgs of test a week, their t level will be higher at week 15 than at week 5? I'd like to see those studies. Because i don't think that'd be the case.

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So we will have to agree to disagree until the day comes i see a study showing that when i inject test-e today i am now at peak levels tomorrow lmao.. Not ever going to happen>>> but hey who knows. :heart::heart:

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that's not what i said. But after 2 weeks -- yes. You're as high as you;re going to go.


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I f what you were saying is true that you reach peak blood levels of any steroids no matter what ester is attached to it within 24 hours or evena fucking week. Well then what the fuck is the point of esters at all then? Why did the drug companies even invent esters in the first place what was the reasoning?
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two reasons -- more stable levels and less required injections. Most people want to inject as infrequently as possible.


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Most medical professionals( i know this is not saying much lmao) would agree that sky rocketing your test or any hormone for that matter into super high levels overnight can cause some problems.

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This is one of the major reasons they have created slow releaseesters ... to prevent a massive increase and to allow the hormone to rise slowly...

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exactly, but it still only goes so high and then back down. After 2 weeks that drugs hasn't "built up" in your system.. It's gone.



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So what you are saying is 50 years of doing everything they can to perilously create a ester or version of a drug that slowly reaches peak levels not all at once is all a pile of shit?? Lmao

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no, i'm saying they did it for a very good reason! Lmao


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The put billions of dollars worth of research and drug development into creating a drug that would not reach peak levels quickly... And after all that they failed ... You inject test ethenate today and hit peak levels tomorrow?? I doubt it
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what about orals? They peak in 2 hours. That's the way the drugs work. That's a fact.



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I have blood work proving otherwise. Tested just over 2 weeks in and again 8 weeks in. I'm just gonna say now my levels were a good bit higher .

And were the tests taken the same exact time after the last injection? Bet not.

Folks, the half life is 14 weeks. The drug can not last longer than that. So yeah, there's a slight carry over but it's nominal -- not enough to make a big difference in growth.

Ask yourself this. How much weight did you gain 3 weeks after your last cycle? It's usually about 15 pounds. Now, if you stay on the same amount for another 21 weeks do you gain another 100 pounds? Of course not. You grow LESS the longer you stay on.
 
No such thing as frying ones receptors my friend. In fact the more steroids you run the more receptors for steroids you create..

If the statement that " you can fry or down regulate or even saturate your receptors" was even remotely true. The how would people like ronie colman or any other massive dude stay this size forever like they do???

These guys like it or not are on steroids year round. Get in good and on a inside friend level with any pro at the top level and they will admit they stay on juice life long and they never come off ever.

No Your body wants to reach homeostasis and that is why gains start to taper off after you have ran something for long enough. However if you know the bodies hormone loop, negative feed backs, what steroids and or homrones do what and the human body inside and out. You can use hormone manipulation to continually grow and grow and fucking grow and not taper off in gans still you have reached your full potential..

Read the thread I wrote called " changing your cycles often blast and cruse" .. this will give you some good incite into how to use hormone manipulation to keep growing.

Is this sound advice for the newb?? Hell know the avg dude should be cycling on and off for as long as he can. With how good we have gotten at supplementation , new drugs like sarms, peptides and other things really no one has to stay on steroids all the time ever unless they are at the top 50 IFBB pro level ..


BTW dont bother coming and telling me OOO well I know some pros and they dont run that much or they cycle off I talk to them.. YA OK buddy you been laid to plan and simple you been had lmao..<--- this is not directed at you or anyone leadhead my friend just a general statement as is all of my statements that would ever sound any bit rude or less then respectful. I never direct that at anyone but speak to only the people who the shoe fits for lol.


That is what I meant about "frying receptors." Gains taper off.. Thanks for insulting me friend.. O' I just got off the phone with Coleman, he said to tell you to speak for yourself. lol..

I will have to look into these peptides some more..
 
That is what I meant about "frying receptors." Gains taper off.. Thanks for insulting me friend.. O' I just got off the phone with Coleman, he said to tell you to speak for yourself. lol..

I will have to look into these peptides some more..

WTF are you talking about... You know damn well I would never even try to do that??? Where did you get that from bro? If that is how I sounded then my deepest apologies bro you know I would never purposely try to insult you bro...

Unless that was a joke? If so then bwahahahaaa you got me:confused:
 
WTF are you talking about... You know damn well I would never even try to do that??? Where did you get that from bro? If that is how I sounded then my deepest apologies bro you know I would never purposely try to insult you bro...

Unless that was a joke? If so then bwahahahaaa you got me:confused:


I am agitating you bro..lol
 
heres another thing no one has pointed out..
if you have done a few basic cycles.. then

if you havent tried a short cycle of 4 weeks a few times.. give it a shot for a year and see how you do

if you have never tried a 12-16 week cycle.. do that for a year and see how you do.

EVERYONE is different in our chemistry, in our lifestyle, in our emotions, in damn near everything.. ive met a lot of dudes that can not stay focused for 10 weeks.. but 4 weeks on beast and they kill it.. take 3 months off.. hop on epistrong and kill it again.. and that works for them 4 weeks at at time.. good solid recovery.. great LONG TERM results

I know other bros that are just hitting their stride 5 weeks in.. diet is getting set, focus in the gym is up, intensity is up and now they are set to rock it for another 2 months..

To each their own and no matter what you gotta do what works for you

Look just in this thread we have a bunch of super respected guys are giving pro's and cons to both these approaches...if that doesnt make you go "hmmmm maybe I should check that out.." well then I think you might be missing out on something.

no matter what just be glad that we got the best guys on the net on this one site who are willing to help out no matter what crazy approach we come up with!
 
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