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Bodybuilding is dead

atutt2

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An interesting article I found on another site...he makes some good points...

Bodybuilding is DEAD!~~

An article by Chris Shugart

Sometimes, it's a journalist's job to speak for the devil.

That's what an editor of a popular men's magazine once said. He's right. Some things just have to be said, damn the consequences. Most of the time, people will be shocked, offended, and even pissed off. Yet most of the time, what's being said is exactly what they'd been thinking all along, despite their public show of righteous indignation.

Take competitive bodybuilding, for example, or what's left of it. There are a lot of things we're not supposed to say about bodybuilding. I'm going to say them anyway. Why? Because it's the truth. And not speaking the truth is just the same as lying.

The truth is that bodybuilding, as a sport, is dead. It's no secret that today's top bodybuilders are using insanely unhealthy amounts of steroids and a host of other drugs to look the way they do. Steroids have been part of bodybuilding since the late 1950's or the early 1960's. I don't know the exact dates, but John Ziegler, the physician for the US weightlifting team, developed a synthetic Testosterone molecule (methandrostenolone) some time in 1955. Today we just call it D-bol. I'm sure it didn't take long for bodybuilders to discover what athletes had discovered just a few years before.

Arnold used steroids. Zane used steroids. Lou used steroids. All of the old-school heroes used steroids. But back then it was still a valid competition, still worthy of being followed. The pros spoke and people listened. Today it's different. The drug use has skyrocketed. Pros seldom cycle off and instead simply add more and more to their drug stacks until they're no longer recognizable as human beings. Then they inject Synthol, a potentially dangerous oil, into their lagging body parts. Milos Sarcev, once known as one of the smarter pros, almost died from this incredibly dumb practice.

Some get artificial calf and pec implants. Glute implants are becoming popular. Hell, at least with 'roids, they were building real muscle, but Synthol and saline and plastic? And let's not forget regular gyno surgeries, liposuction, and ab etching. I have nothing inherently against those things, but when used for a competition (or to sell a fancy ab training book), it goes beyond just insulting the intelligence of the masses, it becomes downright sleazy. Then these drugged-up, surgery-etched, toxic waste factories push pills and powders to teenagers and sell themselves as realistic role models. It's a shame.

A couple of years ago I was walking through an airport with a poplar pro-bodybuilder. He was huffing and wheezing so badly I started to ask him if I could carry his luggage for him. I thought at any minute he was going to keel over dead or fall to the floor and flop like an epileptic fish out of water. This guy, who'd been featured on the cover of a muscle magazine whose slogan is "For Super Fitness and Vigorous Health" could barely walk without losing his breath. This guy, who'd posed in GNC-sponsored contests with that company's logo "Live Well" hanging ironically above his head, was turning bright red (a sign of high blood pressure) just carrying a piece of luggage.

This is an athlete? This is a "star" of our sport? No, this is a walking side effect. And it was embarrassing. Embarrassing because since I lift weights, eat a lot of protein and write for a muscle magazine, I'm lumped into the same category as this panting, balding mound of zits.

Likewise, bodybuilding, as a source of inspiration and motivation, is dead. First, not many people even want to look like the pros anymore. Most people look at today's top pros and come away discouraged, not motivated; disgusted, not inspired. Arnold caused generations of men to pick up the weights, but today's sideshow freaks only make them run away. We all wanted to look like Arnold did in the 70's, but does anyone want to look like today's Mr. Olympia with his distended GH gut and his quads so big he rubs bleeding sores on himself? Yeah, I suppose some do want to look like this, but I have to wonder if they really know what goes into achieving this look.

We get letters all the time from 17-year-old guys wanting to know how to look like their favorite pros. What do we tell them? See, it's a fine line. If we lay out the total truth — insane and expensive drug use, health problems, prostitution (more common than most want to admit in high level competitive bodybuilding and fitness competitions), limiting genetic factors etc. — we risk dissuading them from starting a weight lifting program. That's the last thing we want to do.

But if we paint an air-brushed Weider-dream for them and tell them that with hard work and discipline, they too could look like Mr. O, we risk causing them to quit altogether out of frustration. Because soon enough, they'll realize this just isn't possible, certainly not naturally, and unless they have the right genetics, it's not even possible with extensive drug use.

Do we tell the 17-year-old kid that he could spend thousands of dollars on steroids, break the law on a weekly basis, give up on the rest of his life, and sell his soul to the "sport" only to win a third place trophy at the Mr. Salt Lake City contest some day? Do I point out how pathetic most retired pros are these days after their few years of "fame," standing at fitness expos hoping someone will come and talk to them and buy an autographed picture from the glory days? In the end, we tell the kid a little of each side of the story and let him learn the rest for himself.

And pro-level female bodybuilding? Please. It died years ago, although its rotting corpse is still lying around stinking things up. And how many women have never picked up a weight in fear of turning into one of those chemical abominations, one of those she-males who go on talk shows and deny that they use steroids. Modern female pro-bodybuilding has driven women away from the gym in droves. And for that it deserves our disdain. Its corpse needs to be embalmed and buried. Hopefully, its lingering stink will dissipate quickly.

Want to hear something else I'm not supposed to say? Competitive bodybuilding is a tad gay. Not-that-there's-anything-wrong-with-that, as Seinfeld would quip. Really, I have nothing against gays and even have a couple of gay friends. They love bodybuilding even though they don't lift weights. Hey, put a bunch of shaved, oiled up, well-built studs on a stage in tight bikini underwear and what do you expect? After all, when they do this with women during spring break, we call it a T & A contest, right? So naturally, bodybuilding attracts a large gay following and has an active fetish community. An insider in the pro community once pointed to a photo of the top ten bodybuilders and said he knew at least four of them had sucked dick for money. Do I tell the 17-year-old kid about what his heroes sometimes do for drug money? Am I spoiling his dream or am I saving him a lot of heartache?

And picture this. A man, shaved and oiled, walks up on stage and poses. He puts his hand to his ear and beckons the crowd to cheer louder. They're going to have to beg before he gives it to them. They cheer louder and louder and finally he rewards them by ripping his trunks up into his butt crack to reveal the striations on his glutes. The crowd of men goes insane. This happens all the time at bodybuilding contests. Now, tell me if that doesn't look flamin' gay? Not-that-there's-anything-wrong-with-that.

Listen, I love lifting weights. I love building my body and helping others build their bodies. And I admire those who have the balls and discipline to enter a local contest. It's a good way to test yourself and you'll learn a lot from the experience. Several T-mag contributors have stepped onto the stage themselves and walked off with trophies, and I'm not trying to insult them at all. But even they'll admit that the sport of bodybuilding, at least at the upper levels, has gone too far. And because of that, it's dying. Today, people go to the Arnold Fitness Weekend and don't even attend the bodybuilding show, unless they want to laugh at the carnival freaks.

Training with weights as a means of looking great and being healthy is on the rise. I love it. As annoying as newbies can sometimes be, I like seeing the gym packed with them. I love seeing women losing their fear of weight training and I love seeing the results this time of year as the shorts and baby T's come out of the closet.

Powerlifting, Olympic lifting, athletic preparation, strongman contests, or just lifting weights to look good naked — I love it all. But competitive bodybuilding is dead. It died when Arnold retired. It died when Zane and Draper quit competing. It died when Corey and Rachel stepped off the stage. It died when steroid use turned into steroid abuse. And although it could possibly be resuscitated, no one is going to try. And perhaps that's not so bad.
 
Synthol and implants are fuckin stupid. Guys who are exposed for using this crap should take a big hit.
 
I think if the hardcore bodybuilding crowd likes the way it is now, then fine. However, you can never expect it to be accepted by the mainstream population and therefore you will never see the money that most other sports enjoy.

Pro bodybuilding has been on this path for awhile but I don't think it is sustainable. How much bigger can the pro's get? And with each new pound they add, they continue to drive away the public. NOt sure what the solution is, but the next 3-5 years will be very interesting. I think there needs to be a change in direction.
 
Snarf said:
I think if the hardcore bodybuilding crowd likes the way it is now, then fine. However, you can never expect it to be accepted by the mainstream population and therefore you will never see the money that most other sports enjoy.

Pro bodybuilding has been on this path for awhile but I don't think it is sustainable. How much bigger can the pro's get? And with each new pound they add, they continue to drive away the public. NOt sure what the solution is, but the next 3-5 years will be very interesting. I think there needs to be a change in direction.
people said this five years ago and look at how big the winner came in this year. it just keeps getting worse. I have read this article before and every time I read it I find my self shaking my head in agreement.
 
liftshard said:
I guess I'm missing the boat...who on here DOESN'T want to look like Ronnie Coleman????!?!?

I would choose Frank Zane's built over Ronnie's everytime!
 
damn, i'll have to let my body know to stop building the perect male form. i cant believe that with all the truth in that article my bosy continues to grow like a weed.

I'll have a meeting with my anatomy immediately and stop all this madness.

lol. just joking, good read. but if bodybuilding is dead, so is the rest of the world as we know it. if your not cheating your NOT trying hard enough.
 
liftshard said:
I guess I'm missing the boat...who on here DOESN'T want to look like Ronnie Coleman????!?!?
ME. I do not want to look like an unnatural freak who makes women run the other way screaming.

I have never in my life heard one girl or woman tell me that they think that look is sexy. On the contrary, they have all told me they are repulsed by it.

I just want to look muscular and athletic not like a genetic experiment gone awry.
 
Great article. It is so very true. Most pro's pimp themselves out to make money. Or pose nude for gay men. And other generally sick gay shit.
 
Spidey said:
ME. I do not want to look like an unnatural freak who makes women run the other way screaming.

I have never in my life heard one girl or woman tell me that they think that look is sexy. On the contrary, they have all told me they are repulsed by it.

I just want to look muscular and athletic not like a genetic experiment gone awry. [/B]

Who CARES what women think!??!?!

There are PLENTY of hoes out there who mark for freakishly big guys. Other than being bald and black, I'd take Ronnie's contest physique and I would RELISH walking around like a genetic freak.

My dream is to get cryogenically frozen and wake up with Star Trek technology so I can blow up to 32" arms and 48" legs and weigh like 500lbs ripped with a tiny little head on top. Add a math coprocessor and cybernetic muscle implants so I can bench 2000lbs and I'm all fking set. If one of those pipsqueak 24th century limpwristers looks at me funny, I'd just rip his head clean off.

But, if I cared what chicks thought was cool, I'd have tattoos and a freakin pierced lip or something.
 
GawdsGift said:
agree with spydey 100%

Dude, you're using a gram of test a week plus some vet stuff they stick in horses and 6wks worth of liver roaching and you're afraid of being "freakish"?!?!?
 
Heh, its all relative. One person's athletically built model type is another persons GQ wannabe closet homo.

I like the phreak aspect of the sport, but I wouldn't want to walk around like that not to mention take those kinds of health risks, and I'm a muscle head.

The point is 'regular' people just don't get it and truly do look at it like a phreak show. I'd like to see the sport grow and the athletes get better recognition, but I don't think this is the way to do it.
 
i agree that the pros physique is undesireable......I dont think I would get much pussy if I looked like Ronnie. I would much rather look for a chiseled statue look like Arnold than a freak of nature
 
I was sitting at home Saturday night (the night of the Olympia) and noticed that they had it on pay per view. I decided to order it... what the hell. I figured it would really inspire me to start pounding the weights a little harder and watching the diet more closely. It did the exact opposite. I wanted to abandon the sport after watching this spectacle.

Darrem Charles, Johnnie Jackson, Troy Alves placed out of the top 6 and in my opinion those guys looked awesome. Good proportions without being overtly bulky and silly looking.

The only guy in the top three whose physique I would want (If I can make it 5' 10" or over) would be Dexter Jackson. Ronnie and Jay were too grotesquely huge and lacked the aesthetics I associate with a pleasing physique.

Also, what was up with Art Atwood? He has to have one of the worst shapes I have ever seen in an Olympia competitor. His body looks like someone took a bunch of body parts from different people and sewed them together.

Bodybuilding is dead for sure...
 
The_Eviscerator said:
I was sitting at home Saturday night (the night of the Olympia) and noticed that they had it on pay per view. I decided to order it... what the hell. I figured it would really inspire me to start pounding the weights a little harder and watching the diet more closely. It did the exact opposite. I wanted to abandon the sport after watching this spectacle.


I went to the first SF Pro invtational two years ago, and was appaled by the size of Ronnie, and how inferior BB placed ahead of smaller better proporationed individuals.

the thing that really turned me off was how some of them look off cycle.

I saw dellit , cormier, and i think Priest and they looked like absolute crap and abnormal in everyway.

the old school BB'drs at least looked decent while not competing....
 
OMEGA said:


I went to the first SF Pro invtational two years ago, and was appaled by the size of Ronnie, and how inferior BB placed ahead of smaller better proporationed individuals.

the thing that really turned me off was how some of them look off cycle.

I saw dellit , cormier, and i think Priest and they looked like absolute crap and abnormal in everyway.

the old school BB'drs at least looked decent while not competing....


Didn't Priest when that one though? I was at that show.
 
Gee! I hope i don't start attracting gays!!!!!!!
Now i'm afraid to bend & tie my shoes!

RADAR
 
I doubt competitive bodybuilding is dead to the people who are busting their ass competing.
 
The article is harsh but true. If the thing about prostitution is true, that is fucking SICK.

I wonder what competitive bodybuilders think when they read something like this...

And, I would rather have Frank Zane's (or Mentzer's) body rather than anyone else who showed up in the 80s and after.
 
Like many things that evolve over time, bodybuilding isnt any different. For better or worse it is evolving. Do you think that if guys back in the 60's or 70's or even 80's could have been 50-75 lbs heavier in competition form they wouldn't? You would have a hard time convincing me that Arnold or Sergio would not want to be much more massive than they were. I do think that they were concerned more about their rib cage and stomaches being smaller so maybe they would not do some of the things that contribute to that but they would no doubt use science to further their muscle gains. Imagine what Arnold would have looked like at 285 competition weight at 3% with a small stomache. Someday there will be a guy like him with a flat stomache and the trend will change to a more refined asthetic build as apposed to the muscles in places they shouldn't be and bloated stomache look. I am not worried it will evolve into something in between modern and old style. Then there will be a new wave of looks. Just my 2cents.
 
I think the place to start is with the judging. Symmetry and proportions have to be given higher priority.

Basically, we would need to re-invent the sport at the pro level. This could start by standardizing judging critireon. Bigger would no longer be better.

Proportion and symmetry should rank higher. A vacuum pose should be mandatory. No more distended guts on those judged to be the best

How to make this happen? I have no easy solution. Pandora's box has been opened and the apple has been eaten. Also it seems that pro bodybuilding is not controlled by the atheletes but rather by the promoters.

Meanwhile, for the rest of us, bodybuilding for a healthier, stronger and a better looking body is what will keep it alive.
 
whats up bros im a newbie but i had to rely to this.i dont think bobybuilding as a sport is dead but it took a "huge" turn i think these bodybuilders look to unnatural and abnormal it would be great to see some new pros that look more like arnold ,zane columbu ,and ferigno .i still love going to the gym and busting my ass for myself and im always trying to get bigger and better but not unrealistic looking.im sure most of the people on this board train for the love of it just my thoughts
 
This is quite a thread! Nice posts. I think Colt911 has good points though. Another genetic freak ala Arnold will come along, and this mass-for-mass-sake will die like other short fads. I think some competitor of the future will revive bodybuilding, sort of like Arnold + 40 lbs and it will blow everyone away, and they will follow in his wake. Organized sports often have little dark ages in between the original stars. Ronnie will always be remembered for the 2k freak show . . .
 
I know people hate when I expose the truth, but what the fuck...

First of all, that article was a re-write of another piece. Not a first for Chris Shugart.

Secondly, the message is hardly anything revelatory. That shit's been going on for decades. Thirly, that's TC throwing in the 1995 Seinfeld catch phrase thinkiing it makes him sound hip. (He does it twice no less).

And finally, anyone who thinks that pro bodybuilding is going to revert back to the day when aesthetics ruled is in deep denial. Yeah, and while you're at it why not bring back 5'9" basketball players.

You can't go back. No one is going to pay to see some guys who look like models. At the time, NO ONE looked like Scott or Reeves, or Draper. That's what made it so spectacular. But we've seen that already and bigger. Once you've driven a Corvette, a Model T won't cut it. Everything progresses.

As far as female bodybuilding goes; It never made money andnever will. Ain't exactly front page news.
 
Gotta agree with Nelson on this one... it's a sad state of affairs, but when you can get that god-damn HUGE, the sport's not gonna go back to the days when 6'1", 200lbs was MASSIVE.

-M
 
What you guys are saying really doesn't make any sense to me. You're upset because these guys are basically too good at what they do. "They're too big." Well shit. Is Scot Mendelson too strong? Should he not compete because he benches damn near 900 lbs? Is an Olympic sprinter "too fast?" Are pro football players too big, strong, and agile? These guys are taking the human body to its limits. To me, that's the pinnacle of competitive sport.
 
slobberknocker said:
What you guys are saying really doesn't make any sense to me. You're upset because these guys are basically too good at what they do. "They're too big." Well shit. Is Scot Mendelson too strong? Should he not compete because he benches damn near 900 lbs? Is an Olympic sprinter "too fast?" Are pro football players too big, strong, and agile? These guys are taking the human body to its limits. To me, that's the pinnacle of competitive sport.

I think what alot of people are saying is that they don't like the pregnant look of a Ronnie Coleman. Personally I don't like the GH gut, but the mass is fine b/c that is what they are striving for. But bodybuilding is not about getting every muscle as big as you can, it is about getting each muscle as big but to still be in proportion to your body. When the GH gut is going on, there is nothing that can be in proportion to that. When Ronnie Coleman hits an ab pose next to a Dexter Jackson, the abs on Ronnie are horrible and usually covered by more fat as well as protruding more. To have 23 in arms, 50 in chests are great but only if you can have a 30 in waist give or take an inch. If you have the arms, chest, legs whatever but then have a 38 in waist when in competition form, that is disgusting and there is no need for that. And this is the reason why bodybuilders like Ronnie should be penalized due to their huge guts, when this guy does a lat spread his back is huge, but if you look at him from the side his gut sticks out farther than his chest (much farther).
 
it is strange how prevalent the bloated look is with the pros. why is this so accepted? is it GH that causes a bloated stomach? what is the point of using it if it has that ugly effect? is GH so a great muscle builder it is worth it?
 
Originally posted by slobberknocker:
What you guys are saying really doesn't make any sense to me. You're upset because these guys are basically too good at what they do. "They're too big." Well shit. Is Scot Mendelson too strong? Should he not compete because he benches damn near 900 lbs? Is an Olympic sprinter "too fast?" Are pro football players too big, strong, and agile? These guys are taking the human body to its limits. To me, that's the pinnacle of competitive sport.

I agree with this. Plus i'd be more than happy to look like Cutler.
 
Wow, I posted a good thread. I knew it would get some good responses, keep up the opinions!

I do agree w/the article in the respect that it has gotten out of hand. In our "supersize" everything world, I don't kow how we'll be able to go back to smaller competitors. I do think though that pros will continue to look for the next miracle drug or surgery that will shrink the gut/abdomen area to create a more symmetrical look all while weighing in at over 300 lbs. Either the pros will realize that GH use isn't worth it if they start getting penalized by the judges or they will go to their doctor and say, is there any way we can cut out some of my intestines? lol!

The other note, is that I do notice a lot of women prefer the men's health "cover model" look, low bodyfat, big chest arms, etc. No one that I know of likes the michellen man freaks with striated glutes.

Part of me wishes I never touched anabolics because it has caused my waist to grow, I used to be 32" and now, it's a fight to keep it at 35". Then the other part of me likes to weigh in at 200lbs rather than the 155lbs I'm "supposed" to be.
 
atutt2 said:
Part of me wishes I never touched anabolics because it has caused my waist to grow, I used to be 32" and now, it's a fight to keep it at 35". Then the other part of me likes to weigh in at 200lbs rather than the 155lbs I'm "supposed" to be.

That's most likely your diet not anabolics that caused your sotmache to grow. Don't use that as an excuse for going from a 32" to 35". Most of the pros since the 60's have used anabolics and there waists are fine. Ever since I have been on them my waist has shrunk just like a lot of guys here. Went from a 34 to 31.5 thanks to fina and test. GH unlike AAS causes everything to grow that it binds to. Growth hormone has been know to cause a lot of organ enlargement and bone elongation since it attaches to all types of receptor cells. Some people are allergic to synthetic test so unless you are one of the rare people that has that problem your stomache growth is probably not steroid related.
 
Spidey said:
ME. I do not want to look like an unnatural freak who makes women run the other way screaming.

I have never in my life heard one girl or woman tell me that they think that look is sexy. On the contrary, they have all told me they are repulsed by it.

I just want to look muscular and athletic not like a genetic experiment gone awry.

i prefer more of the athletic ripped mofo physique, i am 6ft 200lbs lean i couldnt imagine being 20-30lbs heavier but being 260+ sheeeze thats frickin uuuuuuuuuuuuge!
 
colt1911 said:


That's most likely your diet not anabolics that caused your sotmache to grow. Don't use that as an excuse for going from a 32" to 35". Most of the pros since the 60's have used anabolics and there waists are fine. Ever since I have been on them my waist has shrunk just like a lot of guys here. Went from a 34 to 31.5 thanks to fina and test. GH unlike AAS causes everything to grow that it binds to. Growth hormone has been know to cause a lot of organ enlargement and bone elongation since it attaches to all types of receptor cells. Some people are allergic to synthetic test so unless you are one of the rare people that has that problem your stomache growth is probably not steroid related.

Well, you combine excess calories to make the cycle productive, equals expanded gut, plus the fact I used to do a lot of ab work, twists, obliques w/added weight. That was a big no no. The juice helped those areas grow too much! Of course, getting older doesn't help in the fat loss regime of things. I noticed a change after 27. It started getting a lot easier adding padding to the middle. Ah, the days of old when I could eat McDonalds 24/7 and still be as ripped as a pro are over.....
 
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You guys who dont want to look like ronnie dont need to worry. sounds like the idiots at my gym, "I dont want to get too big", yea right, like you have the 24/7 dedication it takes to even be half way too big. I dont care what other people want or think looks good, Im tired of girls saying I look good! I want them to say " eeeew gross how can he even walk, look at all those gross veins". Thats when I know im getting close, been hearing it more and more lately. A walking freak show thats what I want and have the dedication to acheive it. It wont happen by accident and it wont happen overnight, so dont worry guys. Your not going to wake up one morning and say "damn Im just too big!"
 
Professional BB'ing vs. Personal Fitness. The pros are in it for the money. Society, judges, etc. dictate what the pros need to look like. The Pros, to begin with, are genetically superior to the geenral population and their bodies can take "a bigger beating." Still, if you blood test most pros, you would find some lousy results. But, they have to do what they have do--even risking their health--to win. Most of us are not pros. Most of us fall into the Personal Fitness category. We want to enhance our health and fitness without risking catastrophe. So, everyone needs to decide waht risks they are willing to take and proceed accordingly. This is why personal health/fitness goals need to be maintained at all times. Personally, if I had to choose between the John Basedow look and the Ronnie Coleman look, I would go with Basedow. And the best part: I would bet that his general health is better than Coleman's.
 
I compare the whole bodybuilding scene to other bizarre things like dudes who pierce every part of their body.....or are completely tattooed head to toe, etc...... Will probably never be accepted by the general population, or have a mainstream following. But hey, to each his own. There is something to be learned there I guess, something anyone interested in BBing for recreation or health reasons can learn.

what kind of makes me wonder is how these guys can be given the label of "healthy"...when they are pretty far from it.


the whole homosexual following/association doesn't suprise me either....
 
Great article. It is so very true. Most pro's pimp themselves out to make money. Or pose nude for gay men. And other generally sick gay shit.

?sigh? and I was enjoying this thread :( Alan.
 
I can say that where I'm at, the local shows keep getting smaller and smaller... with fewer and fewer competitors. I've watched this over the last six years or so. Hell, I judged a show three weeks ago that only had 23 competitors -- and that included extreme fit and figure.

Supplement companies, etc., barely bother to set up tables, crowd attendance is way down... it's sad. Is it dying? No. It's the kinda thing that there will always be a core for. It's certainly going through a downswing though... at least on the local level where I'm at.
 
liftshard said:
I guess I'm missing the boat...who on here DOESN'T want to look like Ronnie Coleman????!?!?

I've seen guys bigger than Ronnie Coleman... just not nearly as symmetrical.... they look massive... walk around the expo at the Mr.O... I was amazed.

Bigorexia... it is something many of us have....

C-ditty
 
I think people are getting confused here... Nobody is saying they don't want to be big. The mass that Ronnie and Jay have is awesome, but the overall apearance of their physique is not aesthetically pleasing. I know that some people don't care about aesthetics and they would rather get as huge as possible to impress other men (because honestly, only men are impressed by this). I prefer a look that has mass and class. Darrem Charles looked perfect to me. Dexter was awesome. Arnold in his hey day purposely did things to make sure his waist was small and compact even though he knew he may sacrifice quad size or back size because of it. Many of todays Pros don't care about aesthetics and it shows. See... Art Atwood.
 
Citrus...we had a couple guys come into Gold's one day and these fuckers were enormous. One guy was probably 6'2 and 350. They were hack squatting a fully loaded sled off of their ankles. This was after loading the leg press up with as much weight as it could hold and doing multiple sets.

The bigger of the two had pretty good shape. Probably because he was tall enough to support the weight. I've worked out next to Shari Kamali a bunch of times prior to his turning pro, I guess, and he was pretty freakish too, but the shorter guys don't hold the mass as shapely as the taller dudes do.

Bigorexia...ha...I remember taking a survey they passed out at Golds...think it was some shit pimping for a weightloss company. For ideal weight I listed "240." "Do you feel that food and eating rules your life?" "Yes." Current bodyweight "185"...I'm sure I gave somebody down there a heart attack. I'm still holding out for Star Trek technology, though; I ain't got the frame to support 240 lbs. Hell, when I was at 200, my knees hurt from walking. I waddled so much that a business partner of mine asked me if I had gout.
 
mlong23 said:


I. When the GH gut is going on, there is nothing that can be in proportion to that. When Ronnie Coleman hits an ab pose next to a Dexter Jackson, the abs on Ronnie are horrible and usually covered by more fat as well as protruding more. To have 23 in arms, 50 in chests are great but only if you can have a 30 in waist give or take an inch. If you have the arms, chest, legs whatever but then have a 38 in waist when in competition form, that is disgusting and there is no need for that. And this is the reason why bodybuilders like Ronnie should be penalized due to their huge guts, when this guy does a lat spread his back is huge, but if you look at him from the side his gut sticks out farther than his chest (much farther).

I totally agree and penalizing gh guts (and synthol) is a very easy thing to do.
The biggest bbers might then be 10 or 15lbs lighter but would certainly look much better.
Imagine guys like 91' gary strydom, just a little bigger...
 
hehehehehehe!

um excuse me but

i like bodybuilding and i like freaks

and the mens health pussys that cant cut it and cant train hard enough had better stick to natural bodybuilding(and thats not even natural) but its the closest thing to the old school.

iv read manny of thies articals and i see truths in them

but they always make pros out to be

dick sucking

grossly out of shape

drug dealers

that sell crack to kids to buy steriods


i dis agree

i know a few pros personaly

and a bunch of national competitors



and none of them suck dick or sell crack

they do loose breath in offseason

as do i when im not doing any cardio and i weigh 265

this is grossly exagerated



and the funny thing is

the "prostitution" started with the old school

arnold wasnt living with the wieder brothers for free.......

they paid his way over here

ben wieder is a faggot and has been fucking pros since the 70s

mensor was with ben too


but dont believe this.

most of the time thies are set out to acually discourage
competitors imo

the less guys at the olympia the better


im not saying its false

im only saying its exagerated



and i plan on being on that stage some time soon



:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
The_Eviscerator said:
I was sitting at home Saturday night (the night of the Olympia) and noticed that they had it on pay per view. I decided to order it... what the hell. I figured it would really inspire me to start pounding the weights a little harder and watching the diet more closely. It did the exact opposite. I wanted to abandon the sport after watching this spectacle.



Bodybuilding is dead for sure...



same here, same with reading bbing magazines:rolleyes:
 
slobberknocker said:
I doubt competitive bodybuilding is dead to the people who are busting their ass competing.

Thats exactly right. Bodybuilding is alive and well. It is actually better than it has been for about the last 5 years.

Quad
 
Anakin said:
The article is harsh but true. If the thing about prostitution is true, that is fucking SICK.

I wonder what competitive bodybuilders think when they read something like this...

And, I would rather have Frank Zane's (or Mentzer's) body rather than anyone else who showed up in the 80s and after.

I was asked all the time when I was a teenage BB. Big money it seems.

Quad
 
First of all, who works out thinking about what women are going to think? If you do, then you don't need to be on an anabolics website. You don't need steroids at all to get girls.

And secondly, if everyone on here is so fed up with bodybuilding, then go golf or something. If you don't want to look abnormal, and fit in with the average Joe, this would be a good sport for you...not bodybuilding.

I say train hard, eat big, be big...if people don't like it, fuck 'em.
 
suprhvywt said:
You guys who dont want to look like ronnie dont need to worry. sounds like the idiots at my gym, "I dont want to get too big", yea right, like you have the 24/7 dedication it takes to even be half way too big. I dont care what other people want or think looks good, Im tired of girls saying I look good! I want them to say " eeeew gross how can he even walk, look at all those gross veins". Thats when I know im getting close, been hearing it more and more lately. A walking freak show thats what I want and have the dedication to acheive it. It wont happen by accident and it wont happen overnight, so dont worry guys. Your not going to wake up one morning and say "damn Im just too big!"

i'd love to get HUGE. i bust my ass for it. but i also want to stay healthy enough after that for my own good. so that will always limit me. i don't care what the general public thinks abt the way i look either. but at the end of the day i want pussy not male ass. so if u don't care abt what the chicks think i can only hope for ur sake that ur gay. not trying to flame u- just my .02.

slobber- agreed abt the other sports. but the difference between those other sports and BB is that for many folks believe BB is not necessarily abt the limits of the human body to get big but alot to do with aesthetics. GH guts and synthol-bloated "muscles" are not aesthetically appealing to anyone.

i believe the prostitution thing starts with the judges- isn't that right?
 
doublebicep said:


I would choose Frank Zane's built over Ronnie's everytime!

no doubt, Zane over anyone.
Coleman and all this freaks today look like new characters for resident evil. Its a fuckin disgrace when your GH belly sticks out as far as your gyno having chest.

I wish BB was like it was in the 70's.
 
The thing is this, BB as we know it now has gone corporate. Like it or hate it the Ronnie's and Jay's of the world serve a big business purpose. Not only can they get freakishly huge on the front end. They also get make tons of money through endorsements and contracts, shit I wouldn't mind being paid to lift weights. After that the companies gets to promote its next protein or creatine drink, powder, bar, etc through the "you can be like this campaign."

Think about: how many young boys, men will watch a Mr. O and immediatly run to the nearest GNC (the place for many pills and few results) to by the best protein they can find. Cause someday, if they train hard they too can be a Mr.O :D

BBing, competitive or otherwise isn’t dead until MET-REX, and a whole host of other companies that makes Billions a year selling US bullshit say's it is.

BB is dead, you got to be fuckin crazy. Being disgusted about symmetry and prorpotion is one thing, but writing it off in search of the days of yester year is absolutely shortsighted if not blind. Yeah Arnold WAS good in HIS day, but you mean to tell me that he wounldn't have been bigger if he had to, he went to the limit for HIS day for THAT time. To set the record straight Arnold,Lou, and the rest of those guys were considered freakish in their day.

Don't get it twisted, I love symmetry and proportion as well. I think it's Bullshit that a guy like a Shaw Ray or a Dexter Jackson could never win a Mr. O cause their not HUGE enough, pure bullshit.

But Really......"I don't want to be as big as Ronnie," "Ronnie's too big"...... ohh goddamn stop it!!!! There are grown ass knowledgeable men on this board taking GRAM"S of shit a week, and it ain't cause they want to TONE UP or GAIN A LITTLE SIZE. We all want to be "Ronnie" in some form or another. That guy that walks or strolls in and the folks say, "Damn what's he eating."

We may agree the world of BB could be better. However truth be told most of us would not mind being "THAT GUY" in line at the store with everyone's eye's on his almost animated proportions.

Que-
 
would it improve the sport to penalize athletes with GH gut? it is NOT an aesthetic look at all and it would force athletes to limit their dosages-probably a good thing for everybody. how can you rate a guy as having a superior body when it doesn't look good.
 
silver_shadow said:


I believe the prostitution thing starts with the judges- isn't that right?

Thats exactly right! Thats the way it was here back in 1985. They make it sound all legit like its for pics. then they work their way into this dude sucking your dick!:mad: They called me every six months for years! I was pissed!

Quad
 
Arnold was a prostitute?

Quadsweep i'm not sure if I understand what you are saying.

Anyways, I know Arthur Jones (inventor of Nautilus and Mentzer's mentor) accused the one and only Arnold of being a male prostitute. It's in his autobiography, that Darden published on his website a few years ago.
 
I think its a far stretch to say that bodybuilding is dead. However, I think the admiration and desire to "be like like the pro's" is dying. No longer does the average BB think that they could win Mr. Olympia since it requires that you basically sacrifice you health/life to do so. I think the mass public will enjoy watching these freak shows, and respect the hard work/dedication/genetics it takes for these guys to look the way they do, whether or not they would want to look like them. Its seems that BB at a lower level will never die though. Many BB don't need to be the best in the world, yet like to get recognition for their remarkable physique.
 
High-Jacked said:
I think its a far stretch to say that bodybuilding is dead. However, I think the admiration and desire to "be like like the pro's" is dying. No longer does the average BB think that they could win Mr. Olympia since it requires that you basically sacrifice you health/life to do so. I think the mass public will enjoy watching these freak shows, and respect the hard work/dedication/genetics it takes for these guys to look the way they do, whether or not they would want to look like them. Its seems that BB at a lower level will never die though. Many BB don't need to be the best in the world, yet like to get recognition for their remarkable physique.
I know many guys that compete year after year and do not win because they love it. I am an NPC judge and I am seeing a lot more Jr class (Teenage) Than I have in years. Thats where it starts. BB will be just fine. It goes through cycles, but it will be fine.

Quad
 
MMAfighter said:
would it improve the sport to penalize athletes with GH gut? it is NOT an aesthetic look at all and it would force athletes to limit their dosages-probably a good thing for everybody. how can you rate a guy as having a superior body when it doesn't look good.

This would be a good start. There is no way that Mr. O's gut should protrude past his chest in my book.

But it is not fair to say that these pro's "dont look good" they do, we all know it, but some part of us thinks that yeah, maybe things could be improved a bit. Then, there are the few people that act on it, deciding to become the improvement that is needed, out of those people, new pro's rise, and the sport lives on. Its a cycle. If you think you can do better than the current pros then bust your rear and get out there and compete.
 
swb1126 said:
First of all, who works out thinking about what women are going to think? If you do, then you don't need to be on an anabolics website. You don't need steroids at all to get girls.

And secondly, if everyone on here is so fed up with bodybuilding, then go golf or something. If you don't want to look abnormal, and fit in with the average Joe, this would be a good sport for you...not bodybuilding.

I say train hard, eat big, be big...if people don't like it, fuck 'em.
 
im new to the board, and don't know an extreme amount, but do you think that after ronnie is done competing he will have to go on dialysis. if im not mistaken there was a former mr. olympia that had to and now weighs a buck seventy
 
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