Bodybuilder vs. Powerlifter

[EFcopperfish]

Variations of this question have been asked but "What's the current thinking on training as a bodybuilder (size and looks focused) versus training as a powerlifter (strength focused)? It seems like peoples thinking on this changes over time -- what's the latest and greatest thinking on this?

1. Specifically how do number of excercises, sets and reps differ?
2. What kind of split or routine should a bodybuilder ideally have?
3. When "ON" how much, if at all, do sets and reps increase?

Thanks.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Variations of this question have been asked but "What's the current thinking on training as a bodybuilder (size and looks focused) versus training as a powerlifter (strength focused)? It seems like peoples thinking on this changes over time -- what's the latest and greatest thinking on this?

1. Specifically how do number of excercises, sets and reps differ?
2. What kind of split or routine should a bodybuilder ideally have?
3. When "ON" how much, if at all, do sets and reps increase?

Thanks.

Body builder routines are very easy to find (any magazine or bodybuilding website) Power lifters train very differently. You might want to check out Louie Simmons and westside barbell training. My buddy actually got some of his power lifting videos and they were great to watch (I didn't actually do them since I mostly body build) Awesome training videos that show you how they use bands and chains for training, routines and much more.

 

[samoth]

1. Specifically how do number of excercises, sets and reps differ?
2. What kind of split or routine should a bodybuilder ideally have?
3. When "ON" how much, if at all, do sets and reps increase?

1) This varies so widely that 20 pages won't suffice to answer your question.
2) See above.
3) Depends on an individual's response and goals. See (1) above.

I'm sure that totally didn't help, lol.

 

[al420]

Variations of this question have been asked but "What's the current thinking on training as a bodybuilder (size and looks focused) versus training as a powerlifter (strength focused)? It seems like peoples thinking on this changes over time -- what's the latest and greatest thinking on this?

1. Specifically how do number of excercises, sets and reps differ?
2. What kind of split or routine should a bodybuilder ideally have?
3. When "ON" how much, if at all, do sets and reps increase?

Thanks.

I think it is crap - makes you weak, deprives your body of needed nutrients, and is genrally a waste of time unless you have the heart to compete. If you are doing this to 'look better for the bitches' then I would just pick up any FLEX magazine and do Ronnies killer gun routine.

1. Powerlifters train to get stronger, so we add weight tot he bar weekly until we can't, then we deload and reset our weight back a few weeks.

2. Probably get into Powerlifting, or even better Oly lifting. If not those then maybe strongman?

3. I have always loved this question, but still will not answer it. (drugs help recovery)

 

[EFcopperfish]

1) This varies so widely that 20 pages won't suffice to answer your question.
2) See above.
3) Depends on an individual's response and goals. See (1) above.

I'm sure that totally didn't help, lol.

Your answer to 1 and 2 is exactly the basis for my question. I've been doing 5 on 2 off hitting each body part once a week -- About 16 sets for large body parts and 10-12 for smaller body parts. Rep range of 6-10. I've also done a 4 on 2 off split hitting each part twice a week -- 12 sets large body parts and 8 sets small body parts -- sets of 6-12.

I'm always struggling in my head to find the right combo of # of times to train a body part a week and number of sets per body part -- although we're all different, what are the newest rules of thumb to go by?? And when "ON" do you leave it the same or bump it up?

All of our goal is to optimize our efforts -- I'm trying to figure out the general thinking of what's optimal for a bodybuilder. Such as how the heck is Omega training that kid (ignoring the supplements)????

 

[samoth]

Your answer to 1 and 2 is exactly the basis for my question. I've been doing 5 on 2 off hitting each body part once a week -- About 16 sets for large body parts and 10-12 for smaller body parts. Rep range of 6-10. I've also done a 4 on 2 off split hitting each part twice a week -- 12 sets large body parts and 8 sets small body parts -- sets of 6-12.

I'm always struggling in my head to find the right combo of # of times to train a body part a week and number of sets per body part -- although we're all different, what are the newest rules of thumb to go by?? And when "ON" do you leave it the same or bump it up?

All of our goal is to optimize our efforts -- I'm trying to figure out the general thinking of what's optimal for a bodybuilder. Such as how the heck is Omega training that kid (ignoring the supplements)????

Hell, I'll often do 50 sets of squats for a lower body day, but they sure aren't 15-rep sets, lol.

For an overview of some popular PLing styles, check out:

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/9week-training-program.htm

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...iodization-variational-techniques-567046.html

Really, I think it's all about the individual -- what works for his or her specific goals. And that usually involves many years of training and experimentation. I don't feel I can give a specific rule of thumb for working out in general.

 

[AAP]

1. Specifically how do number of excercises, sets and reps differ?
2. What kind of split or routine should a bodybuilder ideally have?
3. When "ON" how much, if at all, do sets and reps increase?

Thanks.

1 - Bodybuilder = more volume in terms of number of sets/reps each workout.
2 - usually working the whole body twice in a 10 day span (forgoing the usual calves and abs that get it more frequently)
3 - for me not at all. The weight increases and the amount I eat, but overall the number of sets and reps stay the same.

 

[ALIN]

Variations of this question have been asked but "What's the current thinking on training as a bodybuilder (size and looks focused) versus training as a powerlifter (strength focused)? It seems like peoples thinking on this changes over time -- what's the latest and greatest thinking on this?

1. Specifically how do number of excercises, sets and reps differ?
2. What kind of split or routine should a bodybuilder ideally have?
3. When "ON" how much, if at all, do sets and reps increase?

Thanks.

Beleive it or not,,,the end results become diet variances.

 

[OMEGA]

Treat your Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck .........OR a Ferrari

you decide what you want and train for it


BodyBuilders will last YEARS, have longevity, better cardio vascular system, and just look phucking pretty


so if thats for you GO for it, and ignore the hype of lifting heavy "cus its kewl and stuff"......

 

[samoth]

and ignore the hype of lifting heavy "cus its kewl and stuff"......

Ignore the hype of lifting for prettiness "cause it's cool and stuff".....

Load up the plate for some Zercher deads!

 

[OMEGA]

"whatever"

 

[EFcopperfish]

Treat your Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck .........OR a Ferrari

you decide what you want and train for it


BodyBuilders will last YEARS, have longevity, better cardio vascular system, and just look phucking pretty


so if thats for you GO for it, and ignore the hype of lifting heavy "cus its kewl and stuff"......

Omega -- I'm past caring about looking cool and trying to toss weight around only to hurt myself -- so if I don't worry about heavy lifting I assume form and focus become key. Assuming volume is important then do I up the total sets?? Chest for example - do I train it more than once week and what should total set be?? thanks a bunch for the help.

 

[OMEGA]

Rep threshold, and the lifting properly is KEY Yes

always favor Frequency in favor of recovery

this means basically train body parts as much as possible WITHOUT over training or taxing your CNS

 

[EFcopperfish]

Rep threshold, and the lifting properly is KEY Yes

always favor Frequency in favor of recovery

this means basically train body parts as much as possible WITHOUT over training or taxing your central nervous system

Thanks for the pointers Omega -- I'll try to shift my rountine in that direction and see how it goes. I appreciate the help.

 

[xrsist]

Treat your Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck .........OR a Ferrari

thats a good way to put it

 

[al420]

Omega.... can you post some of your personal pics please. If I am a dump truck I would love to see a Ferrari.

Zercher Deads is right Samoth - tell them!

 

[shredded87]

Omega.... can you post some of your personal pics please. If I am a dump truck I would love to see a Ferrari.

Zercher Deads is right Samoth - tell them!

Im with al 100%

 

[al420]

Treat your Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck .........OR a Ferrari

you decide what you want and train for it


BodyBuilders will last YEARS, have longevity, better cardio vascular system, and just look phucking pretty

so if thats for you GO for it, and ignore the hype of lifting heavy "cus its kewl and stuff"......

Is that some kind of joke? More 'science' from Omega....

 

[shredded87]

I would also like to see some articles, any kind of anerobic/aerobic exercise will benefit you longevity wise

 

[b fold the truth]

Treat your Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck .........OR a Ferrari

Here is me "Treating my Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck"

Roughly 280 lbs

8th Rep with 660 lbs...on TV.

Next to one of the strongest men in the world (Travis is around 310+ in this pic)

I'm the "Yellow Dump Truck" in the middle...at 280 lbs.

 

[Inhibitor13]

Here is me "Treating my Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck"

Roughly 280 lbs

8th Rep with 660 lbs...on TV.

Next to one of the strongest men in the world (Travis is around 310+ in this pic)

I'm the "Yellow Dump Truck" in the middle...at 280 lbs.

Fuckin monster bro !

 

[searay]

hehehe..... very impressive b-fold

 

[Trendsetter21]

Here is me "Treating my Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck"

Roughly 280 lbs

8th Rep with 660 lbs...on TV.

Next to one of the strongest men in the world (Travis is around 310+ in this pic)

I'm the "Yellow Dump Truck" in the middle...at 280 lbs.

You look more like an Orange Dump Truck. lol.

But yeah you look fantastic and obviously extremely powerful. If I was to powerlift I would want to look like you do, not too big (as in fat percentage) but huge and cut and looking awesome. Great pics, you look fantastic. I think every bodybuilder should start off power lifting, helps build a very solid base.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ignore the hype of lifting for prettiness "cause it's cool and stuff".....

Load up the plate for some Zercher deads!

Fuck ya.

 

[needtogetaas]

Is that some kind of joke? More 'science' from Omega....

OK bro. We get your love for pl but no need to get nasty.

 

[al420]

OK bro. We get your love for pl but no need to get nasty.

Omega is the one bashing people bro - read the thread. Dump Truck??? Please -

 

[needtogetaas]

Omega is the one bashing people bro - read the thread. Dump Truck??? Please -

He did not mean it as in the way a dump truck looks. He meant it as how a dump truck is durable and takes a beating. He meant you can beat on your body with heavy weights or not. Its your chose. Had nothing to do with the way a dump truck looks. I get what you are saying though. You know I am a power lifter type myself. I like lifting heavy weights. I like being strong. I like how I feel. Its all in what you want for yourself.

 

[al420]

Here is me "Treating my Body Like a Yellow Dump Truck"

Roughly 280 lbs

8th Rep with 660 lbs...on TV.

Next to one of the strongest men in the world (Travis is around 310+ in this pic)

I'm the "Yellow Dump Truck" in the middle...at 280 lbs.

Gross. Your a fat ass dump truck. You should be asamed of your huge fucking back/traps/delts/arms/abs/legs. Your pathetic and I am embarrased.

But hell - at least we are posting our pics.

 

[al420]

He did not mean it as in the way a dump truck looks. He meant it as how a dump truck is durable and takes a beating. He meant you can beat on your body with heavy weights or not. Its your chose. Had nothing to do with the way a dump truck looks. I get what you are saying though. You know I am a power lifter type myself. I like lifting heavy weights. I like being strong. I like how I feel. Its all in what you want for yourself.

No he didn't - not even close bro. I know he pays a lot to be here, but if that isn't a bash I have never read one.

Omega has no respect for strength athletes. Actual people who compete - accomplish things in strength sports.... not some vain pursuit of how a girl thinks they look in their swim suit. Does he compete? In anything? I do, and I do well.... that is earned respect in a forum like this. He should be told how things really work.

 

[OMEGA]

Omega is the one bashing people bro - read the thread. Dump Truck??? Please -

No your the one bashing people when they come to this site trying to BODY BUILD in the weight forum

your nothing but a BULLY and an intimidator of those you consider weak.
and there is NOTHING special about that

in a way you remind me a of a racist but instead with weights

its all right you'll see alot more Bodybuilding threads there

 

[OMEGA]

No he didn't - not even close bro. I know he pays a lot to be here, but if that isn't a bash I have never read one.

Omega has no respect for strength athletes. .

oh boy your the one who called Bodybuilders "Gay" and what ever other nonsense and deragotory remarks FIRST.

didn't NEEDSIZE a BODYBUILDER put your closed minded ass in check a months ago?

and you could not say shit BECAUSE he was a power lifter that Agreed Bodybuilder's has so many BENEFITS.

Here is the BRILLIANT al420 :

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...looking-bodybuilding-type-workout-571017.html

 

[al420]

oh boy your the one who called Bodybuilders "Gay" and what ever other nonsense and deragotory remarks FIRST.

didn't NEEDSIZE a BODYBUILDER put your closed minded ass in check a months ago?

and you could not say shit BECAUSE he was a power lifter that Agreed Bodybuilder's has so many BENEFITS.

Here is the BRILLIANT al420 :

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...looking-bodybuilding-type-workout-571017.html

Needsize and I see eye to eye bro - I'll PM him and ask if I can post him Karma messages from that thread. He competes and is an actual BB - you are not.

So - where are the pics. You see mine. You see Bfolds... you see Needsize.... and we even see your little training buddy... but where o where is Omega?

Don't tell me the supplement business has you so busy you can't make it by the gym....

 

[OMEGA]

you see my client:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7818727-post12.html

I ain't PERSONAL pics for various reasons

be careful dont say the kid aint real either cus you will get owned
when he holds a bottle of LIPOFLAME and a paper say "OMEGA is a good bro"

lol at you and Need Size seeing "Eye to eye"

Need size is gentle and gracious UNLIKE you

you would see "Eye to eye" with me too if you ever met me in person.

its why I laugh when internet tough guys like you and others try to bash

 

[OMEGA]

you what al420 you win

I am going to back out of this one . I dont want us to call each other names or be at odds when its not needed. You knwo thigns I knwo things and can offer other alot.

I believe your a good guy, but I am REALLY upset about some the more colorful comments to thos who lift liek Bodybuilders.

as one member to another I woudl appreciate a bit more tolerance

this is not a threat I am just asking man to man.

thanks

 

[Raptorex]

why fight? It's the Christmas season...go serve dinner somewhere.

 

[b fold the truth]

You look more like an Orange Dump Truck. lol.

But yeah you look fantastic and obviously extremely powerful. If I was to powerlift I would want to look like you do, not too big (as in fat percentage) but huge and cut and looking awesome. Great pics, you look fantastic. I think every bodybuilder should start off power lifting, helps build a very solid base.

Thanks, to each his own. I love to see people, in any sport or dream, take it to the max. I hate being the smallest guy at every contest so I'm working on that one.

It could also be very good for a lot of powerlifters and strongmen to train like a bodybuilder from time to time. I do for a few weeks a year and it for sure breaks things up and tests the mind and body in a new way a lot.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Thanks, to each his own. I love to see people, in any sport or dream, take it to the max. I hate being the smallest guy at every contest so I'm working on that one.

It could also be very good for a lot of powerlifters and strongmen to train like a bodybuilder from time to time. I do for a few weeks a year and it for sure breaks things up and tests the mind and body in a new way a lot.

Agreed, the whole fight going on is pointless. Bodybuilders and Powerlifters do the same thing. Improve their body to what they want. I'm a huge bodybuilding fan and also a huge power lifting fan. Strong man competitions are amazing if you ever get to see one in person. The feats of strength they perform is quite amazing. The same goes with bodybuilder though, how they sculpt there bodies to be near perfect again is amazing. For both it takes huge dedication and heart to be at the top of your games. Bodybuilders training and powerlifters training could actually help each other out. I know some powerlifters that when they train heavy for so long they need to take a week or two of doing low weight high reps for their fast twitch muscle fibers. There isn't one that is better as in training, they are both great for people to do because it helps them reach their individual goals, and seriously to argue about which one is better is like arguing whats a better topping on a pizza. Seriously there is not one person in the world that can say they can't learn something from bodybuilding and powerlifting. Each can be very beneficial to each other.

 

[al420]

My name is now officially Yellow Dump Truck.

Bashing w/out pics is like sex w/out pussy. People do it all day long, but it is not very admirable.

 

[al420]

I ain't PERSONAL pics for various reasons

lol at you and Need Size seeing "Eye to eye"

Compounds for mass. Iso work once you are huge. Curls are a waste of time for a guy w/ 16" arms.

 

[Acela]

Al420, you are completely taking what Omega said out of context. He never, ever said that you "look like a dump truck".....what he said was that someone can choose to treat their body LIKE a dump truck OR a Ferrari. If you can't digest that analogy then you ARE as stupid as you sound in this thread.

Personally I take the BB approach to the gym (also, I am a proud member of Omega's team) BUT I come from a background that was push/pull based (so am i worthy of your acceptance?). I have equal respect for BB's, PL's & Oly lifters.

Actually, I am probably not worthy of your respect. If you read my stats you will see that i am less than 200lbs. I remember reading a thread where you declared that anyone <200 lbs had no right to juice and was by all accounts, a pussy.

Before you instigate an internet fight based on a well respected members' comments, kindly get your fucking story straight.

Don't mind me, I am off to the gym. Today's workout is cable kickbacks supersetted with iso curls. sets of 30

 

[xrsist]

My name is now officially Yellow Dump Truck.

Bashing w/out pics is like sex w/out pussy. People do it all day long, but it is not very admirable.

your taking it too personally mate.

do you take it personally when a woman says she hates all men..?

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I call myself a powerbuilder because I combine various training techniques from both - for the ultimate in size and stregth.

 

[al420]

Don't mind me, I am off to the gym. Today's workout is cable kickbacks supersetted with iso curls. sets of 30

 

[Raptorex]

My name is now officially Yellow Dump Truck.

Bashing w/out pics is like sex w/out pussy. People do it all day long, but it is not very admirable.

No way bro; my hand has no attitude whatsoever and the overhead is very low.

Merry Christmas