Blood Test ZRT - 9mo post cycle

[mikevegas]

Well to see if you are making progress, try to duplicate the test under exact conditions (time of day, no food in stomach, etc), each one month apart, and see what happens. If no improvement, I don't know what you could try different than you already have. Maybe try PCT again? Maybe see an endocrinologist. Maybe try HMG. All I can think of, sorry not much more help.

 

[stevesmi]

HMG is worth a shot. I've tried it myself but CANNOT say whether it worked or not as I have not gonna blood work done yet.

from what i've read just 2 doses of 75iu's is all you need. i dont see the harm in trying it.

 

[cgar1228]

Well to see if you are making progress, try to duplicate the test under exact conditions (time of day, no food in stomach, etc), each one month apart, and see what happens. If no improvement, I don't know what you could try different than you already have. Maybe try PCT again? Maybe see an endocrinologist. Maybe try HMG. All I can think of, sorry not much more help.

All three blood tests I have had since my cycle were in the morning on a empty stomach. I will definitely test again a month from now to see where i'm at but I suspect the results will be the same.

I saw an endocrinologist after each of my blood tests. The last time I saw him I spilled the beans about everything I had done and he said that he wants me to stop taking anything that would affect the test and then retest again in December. I got a little ansey and ordered a ZRT test and tested myself with the same result as last time.

So I asked the Doc..."so if I come to see you in 2 months and my testosterone levels have not started returning to normal then what?" and he said, "then we will wait 2 more months and retest again"...

I honestly don't feel I will recover if I don't actively do something. Maybe I'm just being impatient but fuck it's been 9 months!!!!

HMG is worth a shot. I've tried it myself but CANNOT say whether it worked or not as I have not gonna blood work done yet.

from what i've read just 2 doses of 75iu's is all you need. i dont see the harm in trying it.

Maybe i'll give this a try if nothing else works.. I'm interested to see how well it will work for you.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I ran HCG after my cycle but probably didn't run enough doing it only 4 times at 600iu.

My second PCT consisted of HCG at 500iu ED for 10 days and then used Nolva for 3 wks at 20mg per day. This was about 2 1/2 months ago I did this.

Do you really thing I should try HCG again?? Since then I have bought HMG and HCG but have them waiting for my next cycle... so I have them on hand but really don't want to the exact same thing that failed last time.

Every one of us will react differently to these substances. The 4 times you ran 600ius may not have been enough. 500ius ED for 10 days may not have been long enough, and too much over the time period. Based on what I have read, and talking to my HRT docs, they recommend 1000ius twice a week. One said not to use more than 2000ius a week.


Based on everything you have written, 600ius the first time around was most likely not enough. The second time, maybe 10 days was not enough. I no longer see the ED protocols used due to desensitizing issues so I do not recommend taking it ED.

I do not react well to nolva, and maybe that is an issue for you regarding the second PCT.

I would run 1000ius M & Th for three weeks. 5 days following the HCG start clomid. The sides can be a pain for some people but clomid does wonders for me. Run 50mg of clomid for 4 weeks. DO NOT overlap the clomid and HCG.

Some supplements I use are ZMA, DAA, and Vit D. Also, try hitting a tanning bed or if you are in a warm location, spend some time outside and catch some rays. That can assist in test production.

Another drug you can add is dostinex. This will assist with prolactin. Your results showed your prolactin was already low but I have seen people dun dostinex with extra PCTs after tren and deca cycles and it helps with the libido. Dostinex can be run .5mg twice a week for the entire length of your PCT overlapping the HCG and clomid.

Also, an alternative to clomid is toremifene. I have not personally used this but some guys swear by it.

I am currently running 400mg test and 200mg of deca. My PCT will be 1000ius of HCG M & Th for two weeks (I always run 250-500ius M & Th during cycle taking one week off in the middle of the cycle) and 5 days after my last HCG shot I start the clomid at 50mg for 3-4 weeks depending on how I feel.

ON a final note, do not go crazy with the HCG. Your body can become desensitized to it. As long as you stick to no more than 1000ius a shot and use it twice a week you should be fine. While running it during a cycle, always take a week off in the middle. ALWAYS run HCG during a cycle because it helps recovery and ALWAYS use dostinex when running tren or deca.

Hopefully some others will chime in on this one. Radar is at the top of his game.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Just another note, (after looking at your cycle) deca and test should always be taken in a 1:2 ratio. If you take 300mg/wk of deca take 600mg of test.

 

[tical]

It would be helpful to have some LH/FSH lab numbers, but regardless it still appears as if you've got a problem.

Is your scrotum tight? Testicles soft?

If I were you I'd jump on a PCT of clomid only for a much longer duration (4-6 months). I would start with a dose of about 25mg ED, then get labs about 5 weeks in to determine the response and adjust the dose accordingly.

The goal here is to get test levels up for several months and then taper off of the SERM (12.5mg, 6.25mg) and allow your body to take over. Then get some labs done about 4 weeks after stopping to see where you're at.

DO NOT TAKE HCG WHILE ON PCT.

 

[cgar1228]

It would be helpful to have some LH/FSH lab numbers, but regardless it still appears as if you've got a problem.

Is your scrotum tight? Testicles soft?

If I were you I'd jump on a PCT of clomid only for a much longer duration (4-6 months). I would start with a dose of about 25mg ED, then get labs about 5 weeks in to determine the response and adjust the dose accordingly.

The goal here is to get test levels up for several months and then taper off of the SERM (12.5mg, 6.25mg) and allow your body to take over. Then get some labs done about 4 weeks after stopping to see where you're at.

DO NOT TAKE HCG WHILE ON PCT.

Yeah bro, I posted the link for the LH/FSH numbers on the first page. Check it out. This was from my blood test about 3 months post cycle.

Scrotum and testes are in check.

I will try clomid but I get emotional as fuck on it even at 25mg/day and might wack myself if I stay on it too long... I've tried Nolva for 4 weeks and was fine on that but it didn't seem to help...

 

[tical]

Yeah bro, I posted the link for the LH/FSH numbers on the first page. Check it out. This was from my blood test about 3 months post cycle.

Scrotum and testes are in check.

I will try clomid but I get emotional as fuck on it even at 25mg/day and might wack myself if I stay on it too long... I've tried Nolva for 4 weeks and was fine on that but it didn't seem to help...

I took at look at your other thread. A few comments (not meant to offend):

PCT:
-TRS Stack from Primordial Performance - Sustain Alpha, EndoAmp Max, Toco8 [4 wks]
-Unleashed 4 caps ed [5 wks]
-Foremestane from PP 2 times a day for [4 wks]
-HCGenerate 8 caps ed [on going]
-4 shots of REAL hcg at 600iu per shot e3d starting @ 1 wk post cycle (it's all I had available...)
-Novedex XT [wk 12-14]
-TCF-1 from PP [wk 11-14]
-ZMA supplement every day

1. Your original PCT was questionable. The products used (other than HCG) all appeared to be what's "in" now and hyped on the boards. You didn't use a real SERM (clomid / nolva) to stimulate the release of LH from your pituitary.

Stick with what there are actual medical studies on that you can google yourself.

2. Your use of HCG was incorrect. You don't want to use HCG post cycle. All it does is mimic LH to increase testosterone, potentially aiding in HPTA suppression. You want the testosterone increase during PCT to come from actual LH.

3. 4 weeks is not long enough for a PCT. You want your HPTA to recover fully. The idea is to get your T and LH towards the top of the range, and stay there for several months. Then slowly wean off of the SERM and allow your HPTA to take control. This takes time.

I prefer clomid but whether you're using clomid or nolvadex, do a blood test a few weeks in to see how your LH/FSH/T levels are responding. If they're not high enough, raise the dosage and then test again.

Do not prematurely end PCT. Stick with it until all is said and done.

If that doesn't help you recover, you may want to look into TRT. But from personal experience, TRT just opens the door to more and more issues down the road. So don't jump into it unless you have to.

 

[lartinos]

Are you currently running an AI?

 

[RADAR]

deca can mess up your HPTA for a long time ,so its not unusual for certain subjects to experience what you are going they,remember nandrolone like Deca and compounds like fina can linger in the body up to 18 months, but theres good news, the same thing happened to me ,except i was in my late 40's, it was almost a year before i recovered ,and yes my PCT was spot on, actually I ran several different types of PCT,none helped, beware of taking too much HCG or you will be in a bigger mess than you are now.the best thing is let the body recover slowly ,personally i wouldn't worry about all those blood test as it won't make a difference, what you could do to help some is take HCGenerate a low dosage for a long peroid of time so several bottles will be required, this is the best thing at the moment ,don't complicate thing by adding more compounds thinking more is better ,because its not, eventually you will recover 4 caps a day of HCGenerate should speed things up ,but its not going to happen over night.so relax because stress will just delay the inevitable .

Peace
RADAR