No, you're right. I work as quickly as I am able to and if a workout is light I have no problem hammering away at it. That said, a 5x5 with record or near record weight on the squat takes some time (10 minutes between sets is too much though for this program in the volume stage - 5 minutes is about the limit but you can take a bit more here and there as needed). The other 2 exercises involve pyramids of 5 sets and if you aren't counting dink warmups and just significant pyramiding (but not so high that it hurts your top end performance significantly) this will add up. Plus, squatting, benching, and rowing aren't exactly powder puff exercises. By the time you hit the deloading week you should be begging for it.wnt2bBeast said:i dont know how you can squat 5x5 with a near max weight in 20 minutes if you are truly squatting to near max there is no way you can do it in 20 mins..when i squat on ME day i take upwards of close to 10 minutes between sets it makes a huge difference in the amount of weight you can lift
Im not sure if this pertains to this program, if my remarks are of base for this Madcow just say so lol but i would think one needs to get out of the mentality of of rushing through sets with a time goal...every felx article tells you you should be done in 45 minutes
A few points:psychedout said:Hypothetically, lets say you add 40mg of var to the mix, and 300 grams of protein per day? Would this be the best thing that ever could happen?
In 5 weeks I've put on 8lbs as I'm on the last day of the deloading phase and I have 4 weeks to go on the intensity phase where I'll probably put on another 5lbs easy. My arms have grown 3/8". I have no doubt they'll be 17" by the end of the next 4 weeks at a bodyweight of 225lbs or more.
This is BY FAR the best program I have ever used for building strength and size and I've been training off and on for 10 years and pretty much tried it all.
I will not go back to regular super-compensation style workouts. Straight up dual-factor for me from here on out!
Madcow2 said:I also encourage anyone using the program to post their results, general thoughts/experience, or links to their training logs (you can post a single post complete summary log here but not post by post workouts as this thread will blow up). I figure the more success people see, the more likely they are to use it, and upon seeing the success firsthand for themselves they will become interested enough to try to gain a better understanding of what goes into programming training whether it be for athletics or BBing. A list of good stuff to check out at the bottom of this post for anyone so inclined: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4323293&postcount=3
For those interested, I clipped something ghettostudmuffin said about his progress from another thread.
Source Thread: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383357
Carl Carlson said:The problem is my strength has returned fairly quickly now and I'm back to where I was before I got sick... but the program is setup with lighter weights. Should I continue as is (and add a couple weeks to the volume phase until I catch up to my PR's) or should I increase the weight this week to jump up to my PR
Monday: Squats, Bench, Rows
Weds: Bench, Military Presses, Deadlifts, Chins
Friday: Squats, Bench, Rows
say I start this today with the above outline............
Let's say my max 5 rep bench is 225, max sqat is 400 and max row is 185 for rounding sakes
is this what i do?
BENCH 185X5, 190X5, 200X5, 215X5, 220X5?
SQUAT 400X5 1 SET
ROW 185 X 5 1 SET
THEN ON WED - REDUCE BY 10-20%
THEN FRIDAY, TRY TO SURPASS THE 225 MARK?