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LostCauze

LostCauze

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Hey guys,
I recently talked to a very respected coach in my area. He coaches out of what some call the best/most hardcore bodybuilding gyms in the US.
Even though I told him I wasn't looking to get a coach for contest yet he was kind enough to offer me a good bulking cycle based on my recent cycles and my goals for the next 2 years, which I will then start competing.

The cycle he laid out looks like this. He called it a 20 lb cycle haha.

750mg test e 1-6
200mg Npp e3d 1-8
Eq 400mg week 1-11

Test e 125mg 7-13
Tren a 100mg eod 9-14

Orals
dbol 40mg week 1-5; 20 mg week 6-10

He also told me I could throw in some mast if I really wanted to shine. But he didn't really talk about dosages. He also mentioned tailing out the cycle 2 weeks with test prop but said it wasn't necessary.

Now he didn't sit down and plan this out diligently, he basically told me very quickly what he suggested I run. He is very intelligent and extremely knowledgeable with aas

I'm just looking to get some opinions on this cycle. It won't be for a while but I'm stocking up on supply.

Stats now 183 10% bf or less 5'10"ish 25 years old. 3 prior cycles
I will be doing a tren cycle before this cycle to see how I respond to the tren so my stats will hopefully be about 190 ish and I'll be 26

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Add in dbol and I would love it even more.. I'm doing something very similar now.. loving the results so far.

Sorry didn't see you had dbol there already.. It's pretty much identical to what
I'm on now with out the eq.. I didn't think it's really worth it

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bonacris said:
Add in dbol and I would love it even more.. I'm doing something very similar now.. loving the results so far.

Sorry didn't see you had dbol there already.. It's pretty much identical to what
I'm on now with out the eq.. I didn't think it's really worth it

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Hell yeah that's what I like to hear lol.
You think that adding in mast with the tren is a good idea?

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Never used it and don't think I will unless I was competing.. but mast and tren compliment each other very well especially if your lean.

I like the low test with highish tren.. it worked great for me and had minimal sides

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Looks pretty good to me man. Starting off strong and ending tapering down. Honestly if you ate big and trained hard I could see gaining a little more than 20lbs on the cycle if you extend it a few weeks. :) keep us posted!
 
Throw a list steroid names into a hat.

Throw it up in the air.

Pick a handful of 4 or 5 off the floor.

That's a cycle.


(Or at least one that makes as much sense as so many).
 
Haha I always love Nelson's input, and I have to say I agree with him. Is competing for a trophy worth the possible long term effects of such extreme cycles?
 
RickRock13 said:
10 weeks of Dbol is a bit excessive for a toxic oral
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That's kinda what i thought but he said if i jump down the dose to 20mg at week 6 I'll be okay. And if I'm that worried to get my liver values checked at week 7 or so.

One thing i was thinking was maybe running it week 1-5 then jump off and run orals again weeks 10-14

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Nelson Montana said:
Throw a list steroid names into a hat.

Throw it up in the air.

Pick a handful of 4 or 5 off the floor.

That's a cycle.


(Or at least one that makes as much sense as so many).
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Please make some suggestions then! What would you recommend?

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Mr. Chicago said:
Haha I always love Nelson's input, and I have to say I agree with him. Is competing for a trophy worth the possible long term effects of such extreme cycles?
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Honestly is it really that extreme? Yeah it's pretty heavy but I mean honestly I don't think it's that outrageous. If I did I wouldn't have ever posted it here.
And it's not about a trophy or none of that. It's about what I want to become. I might never step on stage and I'm okay with that.

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LostCauze said:
Please make some suggestions then! What would you recommend?

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My point is, anything works. Cycles aren't just a combination of random steroids. It's an approach. And bulking is about diet, not some magic combination of roids.

You got "advice" and no mention of dosages. That alone should tell you the advice is worthless.

You've already been told that 10 weeks is too much for an oral. WHat do you want to know? How to prepare for a show? At what point? How far off are you? Do you know how to protect yourself and make the most of your gains? Do you have a PCT or on you on HRT. That's what matters. Anyone can say do this and that.
 
At 25, 183 lbs. and as your 4th cycle I would say yes it's a little overkill. Also I don't know why the guy calls it a 20 lb. cycle, it's not like you'll pack on 20 lbs. of muscle from taking all that gear, hell I could gain 20 lbs. on any one of those compounds in the matter of a couple months. As others have said bulking comes down to diet, not by taking dbol for 10 weeks, but hey if he said you'll be ok by halving your dose then who am I to say otherwise. What it comes down to for me is that you're 25 and fairly new to the game, why not stick with combinations that you can build off in the future. I know you want to be swole and ripped up like rambo but it's going to take time to get there regardless of what you take. If you do a cycle like this now then what in the world is your next one going to look like? Don't get me wrong it's not all that outrageous but where are you going to go from here?
 
Nelson Montana said:
My point is, anything works. Cycles aren't just a combination of random steroids. It's an approach. And bulking is about diet, not some magic combination of roids.

You got "advice" and no mention of dosages. That alone should tell you the advice is worthless.

You've already been told that 10 weeks is too much for an oral. WHat do you want to know? How to prepare for a show? At what point? How far off are you? Do you know how to protect yourself and make the most of your gains? Do you have a PCT or on you on HRT. That's what matters. Anyone can say do this and that.
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I should've been more clear. The only dosage that he didn't talk about was throwing in mast.
I agree that 10 weeks is a long time to run an oral. Honestly I'd rather run an oral at the front and tail end of the cycle as I feel this has better results and eliminates some of liver issues.

I'm not prepping for a show currently and not for a while. My life is too consumed with other things right now. Maybe in the future. But yeah he thought I was already prepping for a show atm. That's what everyone at my gym thinks and a lot of them do shows. I've buckled down on my diet and spent the last year basically mastering it. I know exactly what works and doesn't work for me as far as diet goes.
Also my pct is "the perfect pct" which I got from you I belive and I respond amazing to it.

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Instead of mast. How about var at the end of the cycle. The combo of var and tren is wicked..

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LostCauze said:
I should've been more clear. The only dosage that he didn't talk about was throwing in mast.
I agree that 10 weeks is a long time to run an oral. Honestly I'd rather run an oral at the front and tail end of the cycle as I feel this has better results and eliminates some of liver issues.

I'm not prepping for a show currently and not for a while. My life is too consumed with other things right now. Maybe in the future. But yeah he thought I was already prepping for a show atm. That's what everyone at my gym thinks and a lot of them do shows. I've buckled down on my diet and spent the last year basically mastering it. I know exactly what works and doesn't work for me as far as diet goes.
Also my pct is "the perfect pct" which I got from you I belive and I respond amazing to it.

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It sounds like you know what you're doing so I'll reiterate my point...what's so special about this guys's suggestions? As for the mast, I'm a fan, but it will not put on any muscle. It's purely cosmetic and short lived. I did an article at evo about contest prep and mentioned mast as a must -- but that's to look as hard and defined as possible for contest time. I have no idea why someone would suggest that for a bulking cycle.
 
Nelson Montana said:
It sounds like you know what you're doing so I'll reiterate my point...what's so special about this guys's suggestions? As for the mast, I'm a fan, but it will not put on any muscle. It's purely cosmetic and short lived. I did an article at evo about contest prep and mentioned mast as a must -- but that's to look as hard and defined as possible for contest time. I have no idea why someone would suggest that for a bulking cycle.
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The only thing special about him really is he trains with the top athletes in the sport. Though he isn't one of the top himself. Maybe I let that go to my head.
But yes I agree about using mast. I think he suggested it because he wants my future business and by throwing in mast at the tail it would harden me up and give me a pleasing appearance. So if I was very pleased I'd use him to coach me. I'm not sure but that might be why he suggested it.

That being said. I will not use mast on this cycle. If I stack anything at the tail it'll probably be var unless I can get some more input

Thanks Nelson. I really do appreciate your input. You've been in the game a lot longer than I have.

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LostCauze said:
The only thing special about him really is he trains with the top athletes in the sport. Though he isn't one of the top himself. Maybe I let that go to my head.
But yes I agree about using mast. I think he suggested it because he wants my future business and by throwing in mast at the tail it would harden me up and give me a pleasing appearance. So if I was very pleased I'd use him to coach me. I'm not sure but that might be why he suggested it.

That being said. I will not use mast on this cycle. If I stack anything at the tail it'll probably be var unless I can get some more input

Thanks Nelson. I really do appreciate your input. You've been in the game a lot longer than I have.

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I believe in keeping things simple. You can bulk with Primo and a ton of protein. If you want a little water bulk, test and dbol rule. Sure you can mix and match a million things and get results, but it all comes down to diet and dosages.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I believe in keeping things simple. You can bulk with Primo and a ton of protein. If you want a little water bulk, test and dbol rule. Sure you can mix and match a million things and get results, but it all comes down to diet and dosages.
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That statement is on point nelson!
As far as the dosage I laid out (except the dbol) do you think it looks like a good cycle?

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LostCauze said:
That statement is on point nelson!
As far as the dosage I laid out (except the dbol) do you think it looks like a good cycle?

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Like I said, everything works. I'm not a fan of tren or EQ, but you have to go with what you like.
 
Nothing will change your body like tren. It is harsh and for experienced users but if you react well to it then there is no other drug that will accomplish what tren can do.

Run it with a test base to see how you react to it 1st before adding mast and var etc

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As for your second oral: var @50-70mg ED or winny @50mg ED (last 6 weeks) will harden you up and help keep those gains, dbol will be better for strength but will hold far more water on you making you soft.


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bonacris said:
Nothing will change your body like tren. It is harsh and for experienced users but if you react well to it then there is no other drug that will accomplish what tren can do.

Run it with a test base to see how you react to it 1st before adding mast and var etc

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Yup I'm running a short tren and test cycle prior to running this cycle. Hopefully all goes well

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shaved_ape said:
As for your second oral: var @50-70mg ED or winny @50mg ED (last 6 weeks) will harden you up and help keep those gains, dbol will be better for strength but will hold far more water on you making you soft.


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Thanks for the advice bro. Yeah if I had to choose either of those I'd probably go with var due to previous injuries I just don't know how I'd handle winny

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LostCauze said:
Thanks for the advice bro. Yeah if I had to choose either of those I'd probably go with var due to previous injuries I just don't know how I'd handle winny

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If you havnt run winny before you just dont know how your joints will deal with it, I hear people complain about it, but 6 weeks 50mg ED didnt cause me any problems. But then again I hardly get any sides from most compounds.


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shaved_ape said:
If you havnt run winny before you just dont know how your joints will deal with it, I hear people complain about it, but 6 weeks 50mg ED didnt cause me any problems. But then again I hardly get any sides from most compounds.


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Yeah I deff need to try it then. Cuz if it doesn't cause joint issues I'll deff wanna run it


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Hey guys been reading quite a bit and I'm not sure if I should change some of the doses around.
Let me start off, I'm very prone to gyno. A trt dose will induce gyno for me so I have to run an ai the entire cycle. So I would say I'm more prone to estrogen sides than most.
That being said, should I drop the test to lower levels (like 250mg/week) and run the Npp and eq a little higher? And if I did this would the Npp and eq give me better gains when dosed higher vs test dosed higher.

Please let me know any experiences.

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LostCauze said:
Hey guys been reading quite a bit and I'm not sure if I should change some of the doses around.
Let me start off, I'm very prone to gyno. A trt dose will induce gyno for me so I have to run an ai the entire cycle. So I would say I'm more prone to estrogen sides than most.
That being said, should I drop the test to lower levels (like 250mg/week) and run the Npp and eq a little higher? And if I did this would the Npp and eq give me better gains when dosed higher vs test dosed higher.

Please let me know any experiences.

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Gyno comes from estro and prolactin, NPP= prolactin, Test = estro.

So you have to manage each compound. NPP with caber or prami, and an AI with test.
Yea dbol is just about the most aromatising compound out there so gyno prone would wanna stay away, or control very well with a good amont of a good AI, not Adex.

A DHT compound will help reduce/prevent gyno to a degree, this is where winny comes in as opposed to more dbol achieving the opposite gyno wise.

# 1 run a good AI

# 2 dont run high aromatising steroids

# 3 dont run a 19nor(NPP) with high test/estro, this will accelerate prolactin sides






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