Best alternative to ALCOHOL when 'ON'???

[2BIG4URMOM]

This is my bad experience w/ G;

About 10 years ago one of my friends had been making G for years, and he asked me if I wanted to get drunk but without all the sides from alcohal. Anyways, I thought that it sounded like a cool plan, especially since we could ride our motorcycles on the beach and not having to worry about the cops smelling it on us.

I took 2 caps in about an hours time period, and I felt nothing. It started to get late so my buddy left. I ended up picking up a chic on my bike and about 30min of being with her I blacked out while riding my motorcycle.

Thank god I didn't crash with her on the back, I don't remember shit but when I came to, that dumb ass chic was still on the back.

I told her i was sick, since I puked my guts out, at this point I had been out for a good 2-3hrs. Since I felt a lot better I decided to go home, I never wore a helmet but I always carried one(for the chics), so I decided for whatever reason I should wear one home.

On the way home I had to be going my normal 65-70mph when I woke driving in the ditch. I woke in just enough time to see me approaching a culvert, when I hit it, it launched me at a good 60ft.

I used to jump out of planes for the Army, and without that training and my helmet I would not be here today.

I may of been niave with my experience with G, but anything that could cause you to harm yourself or an innocent by-stander, to me it's just not worth the risk.

I don't what I would of said to that girls family if I would of got her killed from my stupidity, from the lack of experience with G.

 

[ohashi]

i was going to be quiet on this thread but this post changed my mind

im a pharmacist in case i havnt said that lately (lol) and GHB does not benefit the companies and the dealers. GHB is an old, cheap drug and the companies make very little money off it, as do pharmacists. dealers might make some money on it, but dealers always will. still, even at black market prices, its a cheap drug, relatively.

however, the prohibition/control of this drug benefits a large group of eople, and those people are those eople who are the targets of RAPISTS. men and women alike. GHB is a great drug to rape someone with, and im glad its under control. despite being an interesting drug for BBing purposes, i think that this aspect is enough to make me wish it was unmade.

btw, any wannabe rapists out there, id jsut like you to know that there are people out there like me who will happily poison you with something that will FUCK YOU for life, if we catch you doing anything sleazy like spiking a drink. just so you know.

cheers

First of all, when people refer to the pharmaceutical industry as being the driving force behind GHB's getting banned, it's because the pharm companies can then sell shit like Ambien and Xanax. GHB is fuckton more effective and beneficial, and much, much less expensive. Yes, people would use GHB over the more expensive crap, and yes, pharm companies would lose money because, like you said, it's a cheap drug.

Second, I find the use of GHB for date-rape interesting. GHB by itself is really hard to knock someone out with. I have taken up to 17 grams, and the main side effect was dizziness - not blacking out or going into a coma (give me a break). Quite a few people (okay, more like 9-12 of my friends) have taken shitloads as well without getting knocked out (including my 104-pound girlfried, who has taken 10 grams the night before finals, and woken up seven hours later, bright as ray of sunshine). Sure, maybe mixing it with alcohol would produce a knock-out effect (never tried, never had an interest in trying), but that is true of a lot of things, and two bars of Xanax with some beer would produce a much more powerful, pronounced, and dangerous effect.

On a final note, I am surprised at the people who take the drug without knowing the dose they are using. "A cap" is not a freaking dose, people!

 

[Bozwell]

Perscription drugs like ghb and benzos are not to be taken for fun ,they are very addictive and coming clean can kill you, I hate twisting at people who take them but its for your own good! if i hear good advice i take note.
anyway dont drink get your self some good weed (or even better grow some of your choice)not that i would ever do that magic mushrooms are good to but not for the faint hearted its mushroom season in the uk now its better than xmas

 

[deltreefitness]

You hear too many things about G. Some love it, some hate it and some die. You never hear anyone dropping over from using a one hitter or taking 1/2mg of xanax to chill the nerves and take it easy.

No one has died from GHB. Period. Every case where GHB has been linked to death has been discredited.

 

[deltreefitness]

i was going to be quiet on this thread but this post changed my mind

im a pharmacist in case i havnt said that lately (lol) and GHB does not benefit the companies and the dealers. GHB is an old, cheap drug and the companies make very little money off it, as do pharmacists. dealers might make some money on it, but dealers always will. still, even at black market prices, its a cheap drug, relatively.

however, the prohibition/control of this drug benefits a large group of eople, and those people are those eople who are the targets of RAPISTS. men and women alike. GHB is a great drug to rape someone with, and im glad its under control. despite being an interesting drug for BBing purposes, i think that this aspect is enough to make me wish it was unmade.

btw, any wannabe rapists out there, id jsut like you to know that there are people out there like me who will happily poison you with something that will FUCK YOU for life, if we catch you doing anything sleazy like spiking a drink. just so you know.

cheers

Bullshit. Classic case where we blame drugs for a persons own actions.

 

[deltreefitness]

GHB is as bad for you as a tea spoon of salt.

Actually table salt is worse.

http://www.webducks.com/ghb_4.htm

 

[deltreefitness]

Perscription drugs like ghb and benzos are not to be taken for fun ,they are very addictive and coming clean can kill you, I hate twisting at people who take them but its for your own good! if i hear good advice i take note.
anyway dont drink get your self some good weed (or even better grow some of your choice)not that i would ever do that magic mushrooms are good to but not for the faint hearted its mushroom season in the uk now its better than xmas

GHB has a very low rate of addiction. It does not have a rebound effect like benzodiazepines. If anything it is about as (probably less) addicting as your suggested weed.

 

[ohashi]

Chance of addiction with GHB is extremely low, most cases with adverse effects were due to overdose and abuse, and GHB is and can actually be used to treat dependencies on drugs such as cocaine and alcohol.

Abstracts:

Clinical efficacy of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid in treatment of opiate withdrawal.

Gallimberti L, Schifano F, Forza G, Miconi L, Ferrara SD.

Addiction Treatment Unit, Padua, Italy.

This paper describes the role of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) in the treatment of opiate withdrawal syndrome. In the two patients described, after having abruptly withdrawn from long-term methadone treatment, GHB was orally administered (each dose given every 4-6 h) for 8-9 days. The GHB showed both a high efficacy (some mild and transient symptoms attributable to opiate withdrawal were observed, but only in the first days of therapy) and a good tolerability (no clinical phenomena interpreted as GHB side effects were found). These results could be of interest in improving the pharmacological treatment of drug addiction.

Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid decreases intravenous cocaine self-administration in rats.

Martellotta MC, Balducci C, Fattore L, Cossu G, Gessa GL, Pulvirenti L, Fratta W.

B. B. Brodie Department of Neuroscience, University of Cagliari, Italy.

Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) is an endogenous compound present in mammalian brain suggested as a putative neurotransmitter, which has been shown to affect several aspects of dependence from various classes of drugs of abuse. In the present study, two sets of experiments were performed to investigate the effects of acute pretreatment with GHB on intravenous cocaine self-administration in rats. In the first experiment GHB was administered intragastrically at the doses of 175, 350, and 700 mg/kg to Long-Evans rats trained to self-administer cocaine using nose-poke as operandum. In the second experiment, GHB was administered intraperitoneally at the doses of 100, 200, and 400 mg/kg to Wistar rats trained to self-administer cocaine intravenously using lever-pressing as operandum. In both experiments acute pretreatment with GHB significantly and dose dependently reduced cocaine self-administration. The effectiveness of GHB was similar in both experiments, indicating that the effect of GHB on cocaine self-administration is independent of animal strain. route of administration, and type of operant response required. These results indicate that GHB reduces cocaine-seeking behavior in rats, modulating the acute reinforcing effect of cocaine. The clinical effectiveness of GHB in dependence from various classes of abused drugs warrants further studies to evaluate the possibility that GHB might represent a useful therapeutic agent for cocaine addiction in humans.

Evaluation of the reinforcing and discriminative stimulus effects of gamma-hydroxybutyrate in rhesus monkeys. (Yay! Monkeys!)

Woolverton WL, Rowlett JK, Winger G, Woods JH, Gerak LR, France CP.

Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior, University of Mississippi Medical Center, Jackson 39216, USA. [email protected]

Gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) is a metabolite of GABA that is present in the CNS and fulfils at least some of the criteria for a neurotransmitter. Its effects are generally similar to those of CNS depressants and include ataxia, sleep and anesthesia. It has also been suggested that GHB is a drug of abuse. The present experiment was designed to evaluate GHB in procedures predictive of abuse and dependence potential in rhesus monkeys. Three monkeys were surgically prepared with indwelling silicone venous catheters and allowed to self-administer methohexital or saline in twice-daily experimental sessions. Other groups of monkeys were trained in drug discrimination paradigms to discriminate D-amphetamine (AMPH; n = 4), pentobarbital (PB; n = 3) or triazolam (n = 3) from saline. Another group was maintained on diazepam daily and trained to discriminate flumazenil from saline (n = 2). GHB (0.01-10 mg/kg per injection) maintained self-administration marginally above saline levels at one dose (3.2 or 10 mg/kg) in two of the three monkeys tested. GHB (1.0-178 mg/kg, subcutaneously (s.c.) or intragastrically (i.g.)) did not reliably substitute as a discriminative stimulus for any of the training conditions. Taken together with previous results, the present experiment suggests that GHB has, at most, low potential for abuse.

Long-term therapy using GHB (sodium gamma hydroxybutyrate) for treatment-resistant chronic alcoholics.

Maremmani I, Lamanna F, Tagliamonte A.

Department of Psychiatry, Neurobiology, Pharmacology and Biotechnology, University of Pisa, Italy.

Thirty-five alcohol-dependent patients according to DSM-IV criteria who also met criteria for treatment resistance were treated with doses of gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB) ranging between 25 and 100 mg/kg/die in an open one-year study. The results show that no patients discontinued the program during the first month of treatment. Sixty percent of these patients successfully completed the protocol; 11.4% showed complete abstinence (full responder patients); 14.3% strongly reduced their alcohol intake (partial responder patients) and 34.3% of the patients were still under treatment after one year. Forty percent of the patients were nonresponders. The retention rate under treatment of the studied sample was statistically higher than that found during the last treatment of the same subjects. No significant differences were found between full responder and partial responder patients regarding changes in clinical features, alcohol intake or social adjustment. Patients still in treatment after one year significantly differed from nonresponder patients on all the variables investigated. A six-times/daily fractionated administration of the GHB dose was the only significant predictor of the retention rate.

 

[eviction]

if you cant go without getting fucked up for 8 - 10 weeks, then you shouldnt be taking gear. i cant even imagine getting drunk when on a cycle. hell, i dont even go out when im on, eat, sleep and train

what he said

 

[DJ_UFO]

Alternative to alcohol?

WATER.