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DecaBane

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Whats up fellas, Im 22 weighing in at 182 most ever for me, I guess im the classic ectomorph, or Im just tall and look slimmer I am about 6'1. In any case I know my shit as for workouts and I get high intensity workouts in and I dont fuck around at the gym. I get pretty slow gains and I haven't jumped on any AAS yet.

now to the point, Ive been bulking for the last couple of months really packing in the food. I know that when I got sick of being skinny I was weighing in at 165..thats been a couple of months now...I feel like im making good gains but the downside is that Im starting to get a belly...nothing uncontrollable for now as I can walk straight and its not that bad, but when I feel like showing it off people are like DAAAAMMMMNN when are you having your baby?

In any case, should I start to implement cardio into my workout? or do more abs with no weight and high repititions in hopes to cut the fat from the belly?

Thanks in advance,
DecaBane

P.S. my diet is PRETTY clean...no junk food or sodas, I have
eggs,pb+j,chicken,meat,baked potatoes,oatmeal...etc etc
 
You can try cutting back on the white carbs bro. Lose the PB&J. Especially the bread. Lose the potatos & the oatmeal too. Or you could just adjust your overall caloric intake, and keep eating them all. There are alot of ways to do it. The fad diet of the moment seems to be the Atkins diet. A more intelligent version is the C-K-D Diet. Go to www.c-k-d.com for info on that one.
 
Do you really care what they think?

B True
 
honestly the gut is not a huge deal for me... it's just a means to an end.


The massive shitting that goes with how much i'm eating..... that's the bad part of bulking imo.
 
Most eveyone gets a little thicker during a bulk. As long as you are making GOOD gains as well, you should have no problem cutting later and getting rid of it, especially if you naturally don't hold much bf. If your weights are increasing and body muscle measurements are going up, you should be ok. Maybe bring total calorie intake down very slightly, but that may slow muscle growth as well.
 
cool, yeah I kinda figured it was part of the package, but didnt know if some people had a way around that, or just found it a means to an end like lifter said. I know when Im set at the weight I want to be at, I wont have a problem cutting it out
 
If you can try to gain a little slower that often helps as well.
But like everything else, it seems to be a difficult balancing act.
 
You can try bulking on a CKD, or any diet where you have lower carbs. Those excess carbs aren't really necessary. Though, some people argue differently. You'll get there either way, just depends on your preferred route. Some don't mind the excess weight and ignore what other people say. Others, like myself, dislike having that gut and try and get around it.
 
Im in the same boat as you DecaBane I started bulking a couple of months ago at 6’2” 185lbs with six pack, started taking creatine. Im up to 202 now but I have lost some definition due to water retention from creatine I think, and have defiantly gained some fat. I am making gains on most of my measurements but after only two months its nothing major. What should I expect to be gaining on arms, chest and legs? Been training for close to 2 years now, last 8 months been real intense.
 
I think most of my definition loss is from water retention because of creatine. In the morning, since I'm not guzzling water all night. I still see at least 4 of my abs and I look better.

At night, after about a gallon and half of water during the day, I'm lookin pretty bloated.
 
Thats exacly what happens to me, four abs in the morning and and by night a rounded keg with only two abs at the top, not sure if creatine is worh it, didnt notice extreme strenth gains or anything.
 
I sweat more easily now that I weight a lot more. It sucks, since it's 104 in Texas when I drive home from work I get swamp ass even though it's only like a 15 minute commute.
 
I'm in the same boat with the belly. Started bulking early this year and lost the abs completely. But I'm keeping it up till January.

I figure it's not about what I look like now, but what I'm gonna look like next Summer.
 
hellboy said:
I'm in the same boat with the belly. Started bulking early this year and lost the abs completely. But I'm keeping it up till January.

I figure it's not about what I look like now, but what I'm gonna look like next Summer.
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exactly. it's tough seeing yourself gaining in some unwanted areas, but you have to trust in what you are doing and trust in your ability to cut later on and see all that hard work.
 
Too many people are affraid of gaining a few extra pounds. If anyone knows anything about nutrition and exercise, extra bodyweight can be shed.

People are worrying too much.
 
louden_swain said:
Too many people are affraid of gaining a few extra pounds. If anyone knows anything about nutrition and exercise, extra bodyweight can be shed.

People are worrying too much.
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Why bulk cut, bulk cut, bulk cut when you can just go on a diet and continuously gain at a lesser rate?

The bulk cut thing made me to 260lbs, then I looked in the mirror and I was really fat (possibly 20-22% bf). Now for over half a year, I have been trying to get leaner. Guess what? I am still around 10-12%.

Wish I hadn't ate so much and listened to everyone on this board. I am not an ectomorph, so this way of life isn't for me. My whole last year has been somewhat of a waste, because I got fat and now I am trying to lose the fat to look somewhat decent. Even my strength gains have suffered in some areas because of this.

Maybe this is just me and it works for you, but no more gaining 20lbs while bulking for me. :) Luckily, lately I see a lot of guys supporting what I am saying, so I can't be that off-base.

Strength matters to me, size matters to me, but I am not gonna kid myself and say I like being fat. I feel uncomfortable in anything over 10%, and my body hated the 260lbs as I couldn't even breath normal. Once I start bulking again, I am just gonna try to keep my bf controllable to be safe. :)

-sk
 
Backlash said:
I sweat more easily now that I weight a lot more. It sucks, since it's 104 in Texas when I drive home from work I get swamp ass even though it's only like a 15 minute commute.
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That just sounds sick man.

As far as the bulking goes. I agree with louden, but it really depends on your body type. I dont think I would ever bulk to 20% bf. It all depends on you as an individual!
 
blinddeafmute said:


That just sounds sick man.

As far as the bulking goes. I agree with louden, but it really depends on your body type. I dont think I would ever bulk to 20% bf. It all depends on you as an individual!
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Yea, I did go a bit too far with the 20%+, but I had through my bodyfat was only 15%. :(

From now on my bulking is gonna be simple:

20XBW in calories
2XBW in protein grams
1XBW in carbs
Rest in Fat.

I usually don't believe in such a high protein diet, but I think it is necessary when I drop the carbs so low.

-sk
 
I'll say this again. . most people are ignorant when it comes to nutrition. Thats why they end up with outrageous bodyfat percentages.

Like I said. . you must learn to manipulate your metabolism.
 
louden_swain said:
I'll say this again. . most people are ignorant when it comes to nutrition. Thats why they end up with outrageous bodyfat percentages.

Like I said. . you must learn to manipulate your metabolism.
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Well, what bodyfat do you bulk to?

Then, what bodyfat do you cut to?

How long do you get to enjoy being at your lowest bodyfat?

-sk
 
sk* said:


Well, what bodyfat do you bulk to?

Then, what bodyfat do you cut to?

How long do you get to enjoy being at your lowest bodyfat?

-sk
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I build. . .I never bulk then cut.

I continue to add weight never exceeding 10 or 12 percent bodyfat.

I still believe in high calories and lots of carbs. . . . more carbs than protein by 200 percent.
 
louden_swain said:


I build. . .I never bulk then cut.

I continue to add weight never exceeding 10 or 12 percent bodyfat.

I still believe in high calories and lots of carbs. . . . more carbs than protein by 200 percent.
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I must have misunderstood you, cause I was trying to explain that just building is better than bulk/cut.

-sk
 
sk* said:


I must have misunderstood you, cause I was trying to explain that just building is better than bulk/cut.

-sk
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We are probably on the same page. . the last thing I want to do is go up to 280lbs then cut down to around 200 or so.

I believe in big eating. .but I am interested in gaining muscle tissue rather than fat. . .don't get me wrong, I will gain a little fat and water when I eat big.
 
louden_swain said:


We are probably on the same page. . the last thing I want to do is go up to 280lbs then cut down to around 200 or so.

I believe in big eating. .but I am interested in gaining muscle tissue rather than fat. . .don't get me wrong, I will gain a little fat and water when I eat big.
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Yea, little is okay. I just started doing what these guys always said, try to get really big and fat and then cut. In the end, I ended up wasting time. :(

Now I am just gonna build. :)

-sk
 
sk* said:


Yea, little is okay. I just started doing what these guys always said, try to get really big and fat and then cut. In the end, I ended up wasting time. :(

Now I am just gonna build. :)

-sk
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We both want to get big and strong. . .right!! Right!!:D
 
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sk* said:


:)

Curious bro, do you do any cardio?

-sk
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I like to keep the heart healthy. . this includes breaking a good sweat.

My training is a reasonable pace. I also like biking, jump roping, and fast pace walks.:fro:
 
I dont know what my body percentage is, or I guess I would have a good measure of what my bulking is doing for me (helping or hurting) but as louden asked yes I am growing in my limbs as a result of the bulking. Sk Im the classic ectomorph, as in If I eat normal and work out hard, I will be absolutely shredded in a month or so. thats why Ive changed to much heavier weight, less reps and sets with alot more food. THIS is now helping me. my goal is to hit about 200-220lbs of lean muscle thats a broad range because Ive never ever hit 200 lbs. hell Ive never hit the weight Im at now (185) so I dont know if I'll be satisfied with just 200lbs at my height 6'1 almost 6'2. Anyways I guess the point of this thread is that for me at my age 22 my metabolism is still fast and it is worth it for me to do a bulk cut, bulk cut cycle...I'll keep you guys posted, thanks for all the insight.

DecaBane
 
you guys use the word BUILD well generally speaking how would you BUILD your muscle while keeping body fat down? I am currrently thinkiing about bulking from now till december and then instead of doing 10-8-8-6 on my reps going to 10-10-8-8 and adding cardio with EQ :)
 
SOME rate of fat accumulation is to be expected when bulking, but the quick road to looking downright corpulent and pregnant, bulking does not have to be. This is the bread and butter of targetted carb or cyclical carb bulking such as the Anabolic Diet by Dr. Dipasquale.

Even with skinny guys who have trouble gaining weight, there is a threshold of caloric intake that if crossed through normal carb intake will bring on significant weight gain accompanied by high ratio fat gain, unless there's an accompanying medical condition with the thyroid or the right mix of anabolic drugs being used.

If you're doing this all to look good, whichever direction you go with your bulking diet, you can keep a mirror and some calipers handy and just cut back down to 10% or less with a ketogenic diet whenever you reach a level of fat accumulation that you or a significant other find unacceptable.

Losing my six-pack definition while bulking is one thing, but I and most women find the protruding pregnant beer gut look downright repulsive. Do Ab Vacuum exercises regularly whether bulking or cutting to avoid unnecessary abdominal protrusion. Also, getting your food intake from 6-7 moderate sized meals as opposed to 3 huge meals is better for stomach size.
 
Eatmorechicken said:
SOME rate of fat accumulation is to be expected when bulking, but the quick road to looking downright corpulent and pregnant, bulking does not have to be. This is the bread and butter of targetted carb or cyclical carb bulking such as the Anabolic Diet by Dr. Dipasquale.

Even with skinny guys who have trouble gaining weight, there is a threshold of caloric intake that if crossed through normal carb intake will bring on significant weight gain accompanied by high ratio fat gain, unless there's an accompanying medical condition with the thyroid or the right mix of anabolic drugs being used.

If you're doing this all to look good, whichever direction you go with your bulking diet, you can keep a mirror and some calipers handy and just cut back down to 10% or less with a ketogenic diet whenever you reach a level of fat accumulation that you or a significant other find unacceptable.

Losing my six-pack definition while bulking is one thing, but I and most women find the protruding pregnant beer gut look downright repulsive. Do Ab Vacuum exercises regularly whether bulking or cutting to avoid unnecessary abdominal protrusion. Also, getting your food intake from 6-7 moderate sized meals as opposed to 3 huge meals is better for stomach size.
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what i learned from my run with the Anabolic diet is that I definately do better with less carbs. Nowadays though I eat a lot of carbs right around my workout time... and high fat + protein at the other meals.

However, these days I have been eating 5-6 large meals, and definately have a distended gut pretty frequently.
 
Eatmorechicken said:
SOME rate of fat accumulation is to be expected when bulking, but the quick road to looking downright corpulent and pregnant, bulking does not have to be. This is the bread and butter of targetted carb or cyclical carb bulking such as the Anabolic Diet by Dr. Dipasquale.

Even with skinny guys who have trouble gaining weight, there is a threshold of caloric intake that if crossed through normal carb intake will bring on significant weight gain accompanied by high ratio fat gain, unless there's an accompanying medical condition with the thyroid or the right mix of anabolic drugs being used.

If you're doing this all to look good, whichever direction you go with your bulking diet, you can keep a mirror and some calipers handy and just cut back down to 10% or less with a ketogenic diet whenever you reach a level of fat accumulation that you or a significant other find unacceptable.

Losing my six-pack definition while bulking is one thing, but I and most women find the protruding pregnant beer gut look downright repulsive. Do Ab Vacuum exercises regularly whether bulking or cutting to avoid unnecessary abdominal protrusion. Also, getting your food intake from 6-7 moderate sized meals as opposed to 3 huge meals is better for stomach size.
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Great feedback thanks, what do you mean by vacuum ab exercises I looked some up on the internet but dont know if its the same one you had in mind..(basically lay on all fours, suck in the gut for a couple of seconds and let it out?) repeat for a couple of repetitions and sets?) does that really work?
 
DecaBane said:



Great feedback thanks, what do you mean by vacuum ab exercises I looked some up on the internet but dont know if its the same one you had in mind..(basically lay on all fours, suck in the gut for a couple of seconds and let it out?) repeat for a couple of repetitions and sets?) does that really work?
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That's one style of it, yes. Here's some more: http://www.t-mag.com/articles/169ab2.html

It will not magically turn a rotund person into a svelte-waisted one, but it does make a difference over time, in my experience and that of others.
 
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