Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Yes I agree with you 100% and that is why I run if there is more than one person unless I have just as many friends to try and equal out the playing field. To many variables but you fight more than one guy its not good at all unless you have a weapon. Of course if you train against multiple opponents it will help but I just cant see stacking bodies up as easily as you guys make it out to be. Also you have 3 guys rush you at the same time and try to throw them all on the groud with footwork I would use my footwort to run. He who fights and runs away comes back to fight another day. I have seen guys get the boots to them by more than one guy and its not pretty. I would not take the chance. Judo is pretty cool shit as far as the throws go. Basically same thing as greco. But I just cant see somebody tossing 3 three dudes around like rag dolls. To many steven seagal movies. That crap does not happen in real life.
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Djimbe
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KA-BAR said:
Mentality =/= ability . Im a bouncer , and I throw out ppl AND THEIR FRIENDS all the time, and I DONT always have Backup . I DO it all the time , and I USUALLY manage to do it without even hurting the ppl , much less getting hurt myself , although both have happened , theyre NOT what USUALLY happens .
I love cenima , but I only waatch old Shaw Bros MA flicks , and theyre usually all about the 1-1 showdown at the end of the flick . Sorry to dissapoint but I prefer stuff like A Clockwork Orange , Full Metal Jacket , and Dr Strangelove . You know , "Thinkie" flicks .
Actually youre not correct here :
Lets say you have 3 opponents . All you have to do is be the fastest of the 4 of you . Fastest ? Heck , all you have to do is be AWARE of whats coming and move first ! You throw one guy HARD into another and all of a sudden its a 1-1 fight with you defending against the 3rd guys offense . Crack him in the Knee or Throat , or break his Clavicle and youre up against the guy getting up on top . Pop him in the eye and/or break an Outstretched Finger and you have a couple of seconds more to work with . All the while use your good sense and Footwork to stand so that one opponent is in between you and the other(s) at all times .
Unless youre a proffessional MMA Fighter or a Boxer what are you training for ?
Thats your perogative , but you wouldnt need to do so if you changed yoru training/Mindset (see below)
No , it makes you tactically Ignorant . You NEVER GO DOWN in a STREETFIGHT ! Thats your BJJ/Wrestling training kicking in and doing you a Disservice . People that train for MMA events FORGET THAT ITS A SPORT . You did what came reflexively from your training and you found out firsthand why MMA matches are NOT the "Closest Thing To A Streetfight" . The tactics that are best 1-1 are NOT the best 1-3 . Throws , Unbalancings , Knockdowns , and Knockouts are your friends , as well as disabling strikes to areas like the ANkle , Knee , Clavicle , Wrist , Elbow , Throat , and Eyes .
And while that might SOUND perfectly Logical , guess what ? Your training didnt prepare you to actually DO this when you were attacked , now did it ? It programmed you to go to the Ground Immediately and get the shit kicked out of you .
Actually I cant fuckign STAND Bruce Lee , and if you knew ANYTHING about whom you were talking to you would know that Ive probably taken the most heat off of Bruce Lee Fanbois of anyone on the friggin INTERNET !
I prefer Martial Artists with ACTUAL Accomplishments , thank you .
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KA-BAR said:
Its appearantly crap for the situation you found yourself in , OR you just didnt stay there long enough and learn enough . And I KNOW the Senior Computer Scientist in Artificial Intelligence at the Intel Corporation .
Dosent mean that I can get rid of my damned Spyware just cause he can .
While you MIGHt be correct , I doubt this seriously .
Why ?
1) Im 6'6" tall , and Im 390-410 lbs at about 17% bodyfat . If I WANT to throw you , Ill throw you .
2) Ive trained uin Shuaijiao with some of the very best in the world , and I am VERY good at moving ppl out of my way when I want to , even WITHOUT using strength , at wich point I just pick ppl up and THROW them , like a ball .
3) I train in one of the best wrestling rooms in the country , and the ONLY Time I go to the ground is after Im worn out or I want to . My favorite guy to Train with is 6'5 and 365 , and in MUCH better shape than I am , to boot .
4) Ive been training in Martial Arts for over 25 years , and you have NO IDEA to whom youre speaking .
5) Im a professional Percussionist and Ethnomusicologist and my Handspeed and Accuracy IS better than yours . Ill bet on it .
6) I dont HAVE to throw you , just Cripple you , and Ill use yoru Refusal to Move combined with superior handspeed and hand Conditioning to do so .
7)This wanst about ME versus YOU This was about being Prepared for REAL circumstances versus Fantasy ones . Tell us the Likelyhood that anyone is going to run into the NCAA champion in their Devision at Wrestling in a bar fight ? Yeah , so I think its a little more Logical to train for what might ACTUALLY happen .
8) if I break your fingers or wrist , wich you WILL extend to me , and put on me , you WILL lose your ability to grab me . You will also lose much of your Striking ability . And dont tell me how you will keep trying , its irrelevant , you cant clamp down with broken Thumbs . You cant LIFT with a Broken Clavicle . And thats just about hitting hard and Targeting . Thats where Stuff like Board Breaking and Candle Punching comes into play for "Traditionalists" while considered "Useless" by sportsfighters .
9) Even at 6'6" tall , I have a Reach that exceeds my Torso , AND I have a peculiarly long Torso . I have a reach like someone thats 7' I actually have to Have shirts spacial ordered/made . If you dont understand the advantages that gives me in a fight you dont know fighting .
10) I have a picture of me curling a 200 lb man by his face and holding him there to pose . This is Pure Biceps power , Imagine if I used another muscle ? I have picked up 350+ lb men and thrown them across the room before just on a bet to see if I could do it . Imagine if I had some Adrenalin going ?
The fact that You ASSUME that you know my Background from one little Post is funny as hell . And ive had MANY ppl (2nd dan BJJ players) try to "Pull Guard" on me , I go to the ground when I chose , and I get Tied up when I chose . Your Presumption that I have no escape training nopr any Grappling wiork under my belt is humorous at best . Thats a retarded presumption thats likely to get you smoked . And the fact that you ADMIOT that you gt into needless fights and LOSE them tells me that you CANT be THAT good .
Nice way to Contradict yourself from earlier though . Didnt you say that your Friends would let you go one on one and not jump in ? But now you have them Rushing me while you "tie me up" in your fantasy . Wich is it ? Not that I care , it just changes how fast I move to the level of Lethal Force , and the length of the Police Report that I have to fill out .
Wrong . I LOVE Grappling , and in fact , Id say that over 50% of my game is Grappling . Theres just a difference between STANDING Grappling/Throws and GROUNDFIGHTING or SUBBMISSION Grappling . And your presumption that youre a better grappler than me is laughable . You might be beter at subs , but Escapes ? Just because I prefer something dosent mean that Im not good at everything . I prefer Chocolate quick over Strawberry , dosent make Strawberry any harder to mix .
Hah. I don’t have time to sit here and argue but I will comment on a few things here. Most people in a bar won’t mess with bouncers. Bouncers have cops on there side and where I am from they are always close by. If you are outside though and 3 dudes are are not afraid at all to fight good luck. Most people are scared to fight and will do many things to avoid it when it comes right down to it. Bar fight get broken up quick most of the time also. If you are in a secluded area and are not afraid to fight 3 rough dudes good for you. I will run.
You say all these things that you can do when 3-4 people rush you but all that stuff you just said is bullshit man. Hell guys that fight one on one cannot even do that shit you listed let alone 4 dudes coming at you at once. If you are 6' 6" and close to 400 you sure the hell are not faster than smaller dudes. You fall on your back you will be like a turtle.
I am tactically Ignorant for taking a guy down in a fight? First off I thought I was only going to fight one guy. This was a learning experience for me. I was alone at the time and thought it was going to be one on one. It was until I took him to the ground and started getting the fuck kicked out of me by his friends. If I knew that was going to happen I would have ran back in the bar. I think you are tactically ignorant thinking the bullshit you listed will work. The UFC actually allows some of that stuff you listed in the fight but how often do you see it happen?
BTW my training works perfect for me. 2-0 in NHB fights before I had health problems and undefeated in streets fights other than a few beat down by multiple thugs.
Like I have said above other post I am not into gang wars street fights or whatever. Just competition. BUT it is fun every now and then to beat up on bar bullies and punks who like to start shit. I like to show my ability off. Fighting one on one is what’s its all about. Who can beat who? No better sport than that. So many variables.
I find it interesting you like Martial Artists with ACTUAL Accomplishments. I have been a huge fan of this sport for a long time and have tons of DVD’s. None of them show things you guys are talking about. Stacking bodies up, pulling people's fingers. lol True MMA guys know what works.
You say all these things that you can do when 3-4 people rush you but all that stuff you just said is bullshit man. Hell guys that fight one on one cannot even do that shit you listed let alone 4 dudes coming at you at once. If you are 6' 6" and close to 400 you sure the hell are not faster than smaller dudes. You fall on your back you will be like a turtle.
I am tactically Ignorant for taking a guy down in a fight? First off I thought I was only going to fight one guy. This was a learning experience for me. I was alone at the time and thought it was going to be one on one. It was until I took him to the ground and started getting the fuck kicked out of me by his friends. If I knew that was going to happen I would have ran back in the bar. I think you are tactically ignorant thinking the bullshit you listed will work. The UFC actually allows some of that stuff you listed in the fight but how often do you see it happen?
BTW my training works perfect for me. 2-0 in NHB fights before I had health problems and undefeated in streets fights other than a few beat down by multiple thugs.
Like I have said above other post I am not into gang wars street fights or whatever. Just competition. BUT it is fun every now and then to beat up on bar bullies and punks who like to start shit. I like to show my ability off. Fighting one on one is what’s its all about. Who can beat who? No better sport than that. So many variables.
I find it interesting you like Martial Artists with ACTUAL Accomplishments. I have been a huge fan of this sport for a long time and have tons of DVD’s. None of them show things you guys are talking about. Stacking bodies up, pulling people's fingers. lol True MMA guys know what works.
Djimbe said:
1. You can’t throw shit your to big and slow. I run around you a few times and you will get tired watching. 410 17%. WoW that’s pretty big. 
2. Don’t matter where you train at. Also you can’t just walk up to somebody and throw them like a ball.
3. Now we are talking. What are the best wrestling rooms, camps, or colleges have you trained at? I am curious with this one. You don’t live far from me so I want you to respond to this one.
Also any time you go to the ground is when you want to?? No way man. You train with world class wrestlers they take you to the ground when they want to not when you want to go. Don’t care how big you THINK you are.
Also a man your size will gas very very quickly. Muscle will eat up oxygen really fast not to mention carrying around that much weight. You probably cannot even run around the block without falling down.
4. You have been training for 25 years. WoW.
So that gives you an advantage? How many competitions you been? What do you mean I don’t know who I am talking to? Please stop talking like that. 
5. You play the drums so your hand speed is faster than everyone. My god you are killing me now. You are a huge man so your hand speed cannot be all that good. Hey if I want to get faster you mean all I have to do is go play some drums. I think you would probably get more out of shoving the sticks up your ass than you would anything else.
6. So full of shit it’s actually making me laugh now.
7. This post sounds like you want to fight me. LOL I have no idea why I am even responding to this bull anymore.
8. No idea what you are talking about but if you are as big as you say your are.... You will gas, you’re slow, and you will be a turtle after I take your big ass to the ground. This has to be a joke right?
9. I get the picture man. You are a huge MF. That is to your disadvantage. How many guys yours size fight at top level MMA? Bob Sapp and he was not bad but he would always gas. You don’t even know me dude and you are talking all this shit about how bad you are. You are responding to what I said if myself and 2 of my buddies jumped you. Give me a fucking break. You could not handle 1/2 of me let alone 3 of us. I guarantee it. And I never said that we would jump you I am just saying if we did you would not stand a chance. So not sure why you are trying to spin this around below.
I am pretty sure this is a joke now.
If not I just don’t know what to say to a main who can throw a 350lb man across a bar and curls men by holding there heads.
You have some interesting stories bro but I think you are so full of shit people can smell you miles away.
2. Don’t matter where you train at. Also you can’t just walk up to somebody and throw them like a ball.
3. Now we are talking. What are the best wrestling rooms, camps, or colleges have you trained at? I am curious with this one. You don’t live far from me so I want you to respond to this one.
Also any time you go to the ground is when you want to?? No way man. You train with world class wrestlers they take you to the ground when they want to not when you want to go. Don’t care how big you THINK you are.
Also a man your size will gas very very quickly. Muscle will eat up oxygen really fast not to mention carrying around that much weight. You probably cannot even run around the block without falling down.
4. You have been training for 25 years. WoW.
So that gives you an advantage? How many competitions you been? What do you mean I don’t know who I am talking to? Please stop talking like that. 5. You play the drums so your hand speed is faster than everyone. My god you are killing me now. You are a huge man so your hand speed cannot be all that good. Hey if I want to get faster you mean all I have to do is go play some drums. I think you would probably get more out of shoving the sticks up your ass than you would anything else.
6. So full of shit it’s actually making me laugh now.
7. This post sounds like you want to fight me. LOL I have no idea why I am even responding to this bull anymore.
8. No idea what you are talking about but if you are as big as you say your are.... You will gas, you’re slow, and you will be a turtle after I take your big ass to the ground. This has to be a joke right?
9. I get the picture man. You are a huge MF. That is to your disadvantage. How many guys yours size fight at top level MMA? Bob Sapp and he was not bad but he would always gas. You don’t even know me dude and you are talking all this shit about how bad you are. You are responding to what I said if myself and 2 of my buddies jumped you. Give me a fucking break. You could not handle 1/2 of me let alone 3 of us. I guarantee it. And I never said that we would jump you I am just saying if we did you would not stand a chance. So not sure why you are trying to spin this around below.
I am pretty sure this is a joke now.
If not I just don’t know what to say to a main who can throw a 350lb man across a bar and curls men by holding there heads. You have some interesting stories bro but I think you are so full of shit people can smell you miles away.
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Djimbe
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KA-BAR said:
The fact is that you dont always have a Choice . Sometimes the Numbers choose YOU . you train for the Worst Case or youre consumed by it , Period .
My Primary job is as a Musician , and I spend MOST of my time in bars NOT bouncing , but Playing . And the cops are NEVER on "Our Side" ... you have to Justify your actions if you send someone away in an Ambulance , trust me in this .
Translation :
"MY training dosent Prepare me for this , so it cannot be possible that yours could , because I erroneously think that mine is superior to yours , even though I have no Idea whom all you have trained with in your Lifetime ."
*sigh* lets try this again :
1-1 Matches where everyone has seen Tapes of one another , no Cheap Shots are allowed , eveyone has the same level and type of training AND we say "READYYYY ... SEEEETT .. GO !" so no one has an Advantage of suprise or suddeness yeah , its a bit harder to manipulate an Opponent in that situation . Three ppl dont move as well as a unit as one does , no matyter how "Tough" they are . They dont have the Timing , and there are things you can do to take advantage . So therer ARE things that yo ucan do to 4 untrained ppl without warning that you CANT do to one Trained opponent that sees you coming and is prepared fopr your training .
This is the funniest thing that Ive heard all day . I live in Allentown , PA , and Ill be oppening up a Training Facility just after the first of theyear . Youre more than free to come on down and see how "Slow" I am . Even though I Breakdance and Train in Capoeira at my "Slow" 400 lbs , and have trained with a National Muay Thai Light Heavyweight chamnpion that will testify that I was SO much faster than he was that he was unable to do anything at all to stop me from hitting him , AND he was unable to hit me , even though I fought him with my hands at my Knees . We only sparred for one round , but I was also able to catch his Kicks and perform Joint Manipulations on him WITH BOXING GLOVES ON . And his Trainer/Kru was Lumpanee Stadium (national Thai Champion) for YEARS with a Fighting Record that had more than 275 wins in it . I(m proportionate in my Size , and Explosive in my speed . I have 40" Thighs , 23" FOREARMS and only a 44" waist . Hell , my HEAD is 29&3/4" around and I still Dunk two handed at will . You have NO CLUE as to what youre talking about , and I can Kip Up from the ground as well as do Cartwheels a STANDING Split , and Walkovers .
I just LOVE the Presumption that Im slow , wether its on the Basketball Court , or in a Fight/Sparring .
But the fact is : IM A DRUMMER .
Martial Artists , and Boxers are , honestly , just slow with their hands by Comparison .
YES !
Hence the Tactical Ignorance . There was nothing wrong with your TECHNIQUE , it was your Tactics that got you beaten up . You should have put HIM down and stayed up , stomping him , and keeping your Vision of the surrounding area , ort even went for a Standing Submittion . You lose 85% of your Visibility from Top Position (Mount/G&P) and 75% from Guard .
As well it should have been . You learned what I would have tought you had you been one of my students and what My instructors pased on to me .
You should have sdone that ANYWAY of you actually had the Option . You were tryting to be a tough guy and fight when it was unneeded .
You THINK , and I KNOW . THats because Ive been thgere and DONE it , and you have not .
Athletes in NHB evebts DO NOT attack each others Knees anbd Throats . they DONT attempt to Maim their opponents , wich is WHY its a SPORT and not a FIGHT . No one would DO so-called "NHB" events if the fights were at that level of Brutality . You see LOTs of Leg Kicks , whats to prevcent them from targeting the Knee ? Nothign at all , its just NOT done , because that would raise the stakes to another level . Oh , and a Fighter's Longevity would last until his first loss , because his first loss would Cripple or Kill him .
You mean to say that your SPORT SPECIFIC training worked well IN YOUR SPORT ?
I could have told you that without ever "meeting" you .
I also could have told you you would have problems outside your sport if you fought like that .
I like MMA as a Sport , but its just that , a SPORT . Until you realise that youre going to keep running into "Lessons" that ppl like Tom and myself could have easily TOLD you (for free , no less) in Streetfights .
Actually , Ive never seen a Team MMA event . Please tell me where I can buy this DVD ?
The problem is that youre looking to MMA for conditions/variables that MMA or even the Idea of Sportive Competition is specifically designed to remove .
True MMA guys DO know what Works .
In MMA events .
Djimbe
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KA-BAR said:1. You can’t throw shit your to big and slow. I run around you a few times and you will get tired watching. 410 17%. WoW that’s pretty big.
09-12-2004, 01:19 PM
Hi gang....
This thread was called to my attention, and since I was the Muay Thai fighter mentioned above who went with Djimbe to his CMA class, I thought I should at least post my thoughts....
Quick background: I've been studying MA's for about 15 years or so, 12 of which have been deveoted almost entirely to Muay Thai and Boxing (with a little submission grappling thrown in).
I went with Djimbe and Tigerfly to see Master Chan's class after fighting on Friday night. I was introduced to Master Chan who is an extremely nice guy. Very respectful and a great sense of humor. He worked with me to the side of his class for a little bit to show me some of what he teaches is and how he defends/counters boxing and kicks.
My observations:
It is important to state that the few drills that I performed with Master Chan were prearranged drills. We each knew what the 'attacker' was going to do first, though we each reacted (countered) without it being 'prearranged'. Also, we only did about 3 or 4 drills for about 10 minutes. I had just finished fighting in the "Mayhem on Mulberry Street" Muay Thai event, and I needed to get back to the arena to meet with my coaches and teammates.
Master Chan showed me some punch defenses. Master Chan is blazingly fast. I threw a punch and he slipped my punch and had clocked me in the jaw before it had registered that he had moved.
It was very obvious to me that he was holding back. When he hit me, he never followed through, but stopped as his strike as he placed it. Despite the fact that Master Chan was not following through on his strikes, I could feel the power behind them. We all know the difference between someone striking you correctly where it feels "solid" vs. when someone hits you wrong and it feels weak and soft. Despite Chan holding back, you could feel how solid the strikes were.
Also, when he was performing counter strikes vs. my boxing, he repeatedly was hitting the same spot on my arm over and over. Very precise, and he successfully "frogged" my arm each time.
Master Chan invited me to throw roundhouse kicks at him. He had an interesting defense where he angled his arm in such a manner that my kick kinda "slid" up his arm into his other hand to make for what felt like a very soft block. It felt like I was kicking a pillow, even though I was laying into the kicks pretty hard. (not full power, but about 70%). I only moved him with one kick.
Now, obviously my experience with Master Chan is very limited. We weren't going hard, We weren't doing anything "for real" We were just playing. What I can say is that my impression is that Master Chan is amazing. I have worked with many talented martial artists over the years, and I really feel that Master Chan is legit, and that what he is teaching is legit.
But, back to another point some of you have made....
Djimbe's size.
I have questioned this myself. By his sheer size, he is able to do things that most of us cannot. I am 6', 170 lbs. Despite my MT experience, Djimbe could maul me even had he not studied martial arts. So, how much of what he does and is capable of doing is simply by virtue of his size?
Who knows? I'm not sure he can be sure. I have sparred with him before (play sparring) and all I can truly say regarding his skill is that he is deceptively fast and he has excellent control.
I don't know how much my "review" contributes to this discussion. All I can recommend is that I believe that any of you have the opportunity, hook up wtih Djimbe to go visit Master Chan. He is very nice and open-minded, and will work with you to show you his style and how it works.
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09-13-2004, 02:37 PM
I just wanted to make a quick response, and I hope this doesn't further muddle the discussion....
(QUICK DISCLAIMER: Just in case some of you have not figured this out, Djimbe & Tigerfly are friends of my wife and I, and have been for a few years now. I'm not here to "defend" him. He's a big boy and can take care of himself. However, since I do have a little first-hand experience of training with Djimbe, I thought I should at least offer my impressions to this discussion.)
I have sparred with Djimbe, though admittedly it was only for one 2-min round. We were not going full contact, so I can only post a couple of remarks regarding his skill or lack thereof.
1. He is DEFINATELY lacking in the conditioning department. (common knowledge)
2. He has deceptively FAST hand speed! For the first half of the round, I was eating his punches because even though I could see them coming, I just could not react to them. After about 1/2 the round, I adjusted and I was able to avoid his punches to a certain extent. But his punches were still very fast.
3. He has excellent control. Because he and I were merely playing, he was not hitting me hard at all. This is NOT because he did not have the skill to hit me hard if he wanted to, but he was being respectful of the fact that he and I were merely sparring and not fighting. To further clarify this, some people may be led to believe that he was not hitting me hard because he looks like hes fat and he is admittedly out of shape. However, I have sparred with non-skilled people who are large. They hit you HARD because they don't know how to control their strikes. All of Djimbe's strikes were controlled and he did not hurt me. Face it, Djimbe is almost TWICE my size.... literally! If he did not know how to control himself, he would have laid me the "F" out. But he kept control and "worked" during our match.
4. He did catch one of my kicks and perform a type of joint manipulation on my ankle that forced me to the ground.
That is really all I can say about him. I cannot properly assess his skill past the above because I did not spar with him longer or more seriously. I am also one of those who question how much of a difference there would be were he of a normal size.
So, can he fight? I have no idea. Can he defend against a shoot? I have no idea. Would I be willing to really fight him? Hell no!
When Djimbe and I have the opportunity to train and spar together again, I will definately offer a follow up to my thoughts and impressions.
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09-15-2004, 12:56 PM
(I am only getting re-involved in this topic (flame war) because I was asked a direct question. I would prefer to be left out of this discussion from here on out)
"So , if a 400 lb man that can throw shots so fast that a trained Light Heavyweight champ cant see them coming before they land , and can catch kicks in midair from someone thats the "Athletically Ideal size" CANT fight ...
The quesation is , who CAN ?"
First, I want to make a clarification. I did SEE the shots coming, I simply was unable to REACT to them. (apologies to those of you who despise CAPS, lol) Also as I stated previously, towards the end of the round, I was starting to adjust to them. Not that I was evading and/or blocking them all, but I was starting to pick up the rhythm and adjust.
Unfortunately, I cannot answer the question. In my honest opinion, you definately displayed that you have martial skill. Despite your lack of conditioning, you were relaxed and you moved smoothly (especially your hands). And yes, you caught my kick and performed a joint manipulation that caused me to fall to the ground.
But as I've said before, I simply did not see enough from one 2-minute round of play sparring to form a very educated opinion of your true skill.
Look, you're my friend and you and I have discussed these things ad naseum. I know you possess the knowledge in your head and that you have a wonderful and skilled teacher. But you and I have not actually done enough mutual training for me to see your true level of skill.
I will reiterate my impressions, in an effort to make them more concise:
First, I do believe that you possess skill. But because I know practically NOTHING of the Chinese Martial Arts or Internal Martial Arts, I am NOT qualified to judge someones skill level in these arts.
Remember, when you and I did "work out" (not really), we did ONE drill together, and sparred for one round.
When we did the kicking drill, we were mostly going through the motions. We can say the exact same for our sparring drill. We were simply going through the motions and playing.
***For anyone interested, the reason why Djimbe and I only 'played' when we sparred is because I was due to fight the next weekend. A week before you fight, hard sparring is a definate no-no as you cannot afford ANY injuries, no matter how minor. (ask my opponent, he was forced to withdraw from the match right before the show due to an injury received while doing hard sparring a week before the match)***
Going a bit deeper into the little bit of insight I have into Djimbe's skill (emphasis: little bit).
Look, Djimbe and I talk all the time. We're friends and discuss training and fighting methods. I've been around the serious "fight scene" for the last 12 years or so. I would say that for the most part, Djimbe seems to understand what hes talking about. There are many times where he and I disagree, but it isn't because I think he's "Bullshido". He may have trouble articulating his responses, and too easily allows himself to get dragged into flamewars, but when you take the time to talk to him without getting into an argument, much of what he says makes sense.
Now, just because something makes sense in conversation does not mean that it will work in practice. This is where we come back to my point regarding the fact that I do not have enough experience training and/or sparring with Djimbe to give any true assessment of his skill.
I will be honest, I am just as curious as everyone else to see him demonstrate his ability, or lack thereof.
Lets go back to our "play" sparring match again.
I've sparred with big, unskilled guys before. They do NOT know how to control themselves. They hit you HARD without realizing they are hitting you hard. To them, they feel that they are merely sticking their arms out and you ran into it. I have a number of larger guys that I train with, ranging from 210 lbs, 220 lbs, 240 lbs, and a guy close to 300 lbs. The least experienced of these guys (240 lbs) will really hurt you badly without even trying. He thinks hes going 'light', but his definition of light is still enough to drop me, and he has done so on many occassions.
When I sparred with Djimbe, he had much better control than my 240 lb student, who by the way is also a regular fighter for our gym/camp. Djimbe moved smoothly and quickly. He did not "lumber" around as one would expect of someone his size. When he hit me, his blows were controlled and did not hurt me, though he was definately getting my attention.
I guess my point is this....
1. Djimbe does have a lot of martial knowledge. When he and I talk, we are able to discuss martial arts training and fighting logically and it makes sense. Does Djimbe articulate himself in an understandable manner? Well, sorta and sorta not. He makes much more sense in person than in writing. But then again, I've also developed quite the reputation of being patient, so I'm willing to sit and continue discussing things with him until I do understand what he's trying to say.
2. In my OPINION, I also believe that Djimbe has skill. But I would be lying to you if I were to comment on what level of skill that is. I have done one 1/2 hearted kicking drill, and 1 round of "play" sparring with him. I have NO IDEA based upon those two experiences what his true level of skill is.
3. I also question how much of his 'skill' is a product of his size. Don't get me wrong, I have seen that Djimbe does know how to do some things without relying on his size, but a few punches and kicks is not sufficient to accurately assess him.
4. Despite my opinion that Djimbe has both knowledge and skills, I cannot comment on whether or not he can truly fight. I have seen plenty of people who know what they're talking about, and can show what they're talking about, but still cannot fight. A perfect example would be my current Muay Thai coaches older brother. He holds black belt and equivalent ranking in multiple martial arts systems and is an excellent teacher and coach. He helped my coach prepare for and win his championship titles in Thailand. But as my coach says, he cannot fight worth crap. The few times he did try to fight, he got KTFO'ed.
5. I have NO IDEA whether or not Djimbe can actually fight or not! The only thing that I can say is that he does KNOW a lot and from what I have seen, I do BELIEVE that he has skills.
I realize that my comments don't really do a great deal for the conversation, but I did want to make sure to clarify what I've already said to ensure that my statements are not taken out of context.
There you go , Im betting yorue a Tiny little guy , with Bruce Lee syndrome . Run around me ? HAHAHAHAH !
But hey , your Posts ARE tiring , but not for the reasons you think !
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KA-BAR said:
No , YOU cant . I , on the other hand , was referring to a BET whre the person didnt resist . , though I HAVE done it to someone that didnt want it dont to them on more than one occasion . Its really not any harder than Suplexing them .
Best , hands down , is over at Lehigh . No comparison .
Has less to do with size than with my ability to stay on my feet . Its a little thing called Skill . I wasnt ALWAYS 400 lbs , I started training at age 3 . I didnt like g3etting Taken down THEN , so I started training Defenses to it .
I can play Basketball for 2 hours without "Dying" and my Classes last for 3 hours or so , and thats AFTER a 7 Story Walkup . I can also do Capoeira for over an hour without "Gassing" . In all Seriousness , some of the BEST Grapplers that I train with CAN "Gas" me in 20-30 min depending , IF I play their Game , but thats after 2 hours of Drilling during the Sparring Session , AND Im not allowed to hit them in any way , nor do I really "Do" Ground Subs outside of a few Leglocks , a Simple armbar and a couple of chokes . I mostly use the time to work on my Takedown Defenses and get Cardio in , and ANY of them will tell you that IF I was fighting back theyd get murdered .
Muscle Cuts Through Cardio , even though this IS your best Argument . The fact is that no Fight with me is lasting FIVE minutes , much less the 30 that it takes to "Gas" me . I can move , FASTER THAN YOU , for long enough to stop you from being able to move at all . Thats all that matters , until we run a Marathon . What do yu think that Im going to chase you around like an Idiot ? Nope . Im going to stand perfectly still and wait for you to Shoot , wich you willeventually get Impatient and do . then I will point your chin at the ceiling and pop you in the throat hard enough to swell your esophageal passage and dribble your skull against the floor , wich wont have a Mat on it . Should you NOT chose to try for a Takedown and try to strike with me Ill simply knock you out .
4. You have been training for 25 years. WoW.
Actually , I competed in San SHou , Muay Thai and Kickboxing events when I was younger , in The west Indies and all over Asia . Competitions dont really mean anything , theyre just Sparring matches against guys you dont know .
Dude , your Kink is your own , and how anal you want to get is up to you .
I play Hand Drums . I dont use Sticks . I have faster hands than you . If you live near me then just wait till the first of the year and Ill be happy to play drums with you for 5 minutes . If you can keep up and not BLEED then Ill take you out Drinking on me . You , like most MAists , have NO CLUE how much faster or more accurate a Drummer's Hands have to be than a Fighters .
Actually , yours sounded the same to me . All the talk about what YOu would DO to me and what your FRIENDS would do to me and whatnot .
No , I wont gas before I incapacitate you , Ill bet MONEY that Im faster than you are , and Im pretty damed good off my back . Im probably better at Groundfighting than you are , I just Train my Ground Game to support my Striking Game . Dosent mean that I dont pay attention to all the rest of whats being Taught .
You couldnt handle one of my legs . Im a Powerlifter . Not even a World Class one , and you OBVIOUSLY have some sort of Dungeons and Dragons/Videogame Idea of how fast a Powerful big guy can move . Look up guys like Shane Hammon , Whos 5'9" and 350+ and can Dunk a Basketball , and Sprint like nobodies Business . You are TOTALLy Ignorant of what a Power Athlete is capable of , or what advantages working your Limit Strength gives you .
Actually thats exactly what you said .
I am pretty sure this is a joke now.
So sorry that you went with all the Lolling , heres a Pic of me WALKING while curling a 6' 200 lbs man by his head :
Difference between me and you : I provide Evidence and offer you every Opportunity to prove me wrong . You say you live near me , I study in NYC its an easy drive , take a weekend day and come out after the first of the year , Ill have my Training Facility up and Running . You can then post about how you "Busted" me and tell everyone how "slow" you think I am at that point .
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KA-BAR said:
i never said i would chuck multiple people around like rag dolls. one guy is normally EASY for me to throw because i train 6x a week throwing people who are very skilled at not getting thrown. if i can throw a trained fighter in a tournament i feel pretty confident about throwing someone on the street. i cant knock people out EASILY w/ strikes because i dont train for that as much compared to my grappling training
of course i would rather run then fight 3 guys. id rather walk away then fight one guy. i have 0 ego on the street. someone can hurl insults at me til there blue in the face and i will go home laffing and be on the mat the next day with no shame whatsoever. i fight when my safety or the safety of truly close friends/family are in IMMEDIATE danger. i know some people like to fight if there honor is insulted but im not even like that. i can walk away smiling from a 110lb college kid with a pink shirt and sleep like a baby that night.
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