Avena Sativa Dosage

[Nelson Montana]

mt, if you are on trt shbg is the one nagging issue that can keep you from feeling great. despite having enough total T, your free T is low. some people just cant get shbg down and it could be caused by excess E. This is where a top quality trt doc can prescribe a-dex .5mg twice /week..

I'm not so sure A-dex will do much to lower SHBG. And that dosage is a little high for TRT purposes. I hate to keep drilling this in but the only stuff that legal that's been proven to lower SHBG is in UNLEASHED. That's why I love the stuff.

 

[twistedneck]

Nelson, thanks for the clarification. I was not sure if Unleashed lowered shbg via lowing E or not. I know in some men as we age even though E is very low shbg still climbs up. Not even fixing the T/E ratio helps every time. Unleashed may be a great thing for all trt guys to look at. I found it so potent that i was afraid of the woods and decided not to use it very often.

 

[mt]

mt, if you are on trt shbg is the one nagging issue that can keep you from feeling great. despite having enough total T, your free T is low. some people just cant get shbg down and it could be caused by excess E. This is where a top quality trt doc can prescribe a-dex .5mg twice /week..

Since the reason given for not being on Proviron year round is that it will keep you suppressed my question is that does that also apply when one is on HRT indefinitely since you are going to be suppressed anyway? I didn't think a-dex lowered SHBG but was simply an anti-aromatase whereas, Proviron is both an anti-aromatase and binds to SHBG. I can see the use for products like Unleashed that Nelson recommends because it's always best to avoid drugs but if suppression isn't an issue, and Proviron at dosages of 25-50 mg hasn't been shown to be toxic, then I see no reason why, as Nelson mentioned previously, one can't be on Proviron year round. After all, natural supps are often hit and miss.

 

[twistedneck]

mt, proviron has been shown to increase triglyceride levels far more than T, same with most other synthetic androgens (even oxandrolone). High triglycerides is a huge risk factor for a heart attack. Thats why men use T not synthetic androgens for HRT. This is the same reason why stuff like unleashed and post cycle is healthy to use year round.

You might want to look into DHT gel. Your doc could put you on dht gel instead of androgel.. he'd never you on both. good luck.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Proviron is also liver toxic. And for reasons unknown, its effect seem to diminish with extended use.

 

[mt]

Proviron is also liver toxic. And for reasons unknown, its effect seem to diminish with extended use.

--Not according to Schering's package insert:

PHARMACOLOGICAL ACTION
Proviron balances a deficiency of androgen formation which begins to fall gradually with increasing age. Therefore, Proviron is suitable for treatment of all conditions caused by deficient endogenous androgen formation. In the recommended therapeutic dosage, Proviron will not impair spermatogenesis. Proviron is especially well tolerated by the liver.

--Also, they recommend after an initial dose of 75-100mg/day for several months they recommend a "maintenance" dose of 50-75mg/day which seem to imply that, like HRT, treatment is indefinite.

Hypogonadism requires continuous therapy
For development of secondary male sex characteristics 1 Proviron tablet of 25 mg 3-4 times daily for several months. As maintenance dose 1 Proviron tablet of 25 mg twice or three times daily will be sufficient.

--For the whole spiel:

http://home.intekom.com/pharm/schering/proviron.html

 

[twistedneck]

Interesting mt. what about the downgrading effect over time? it may somehow deminish normal dht's effects in the brain over time since 1 methyl dht is WAY more potent mg/mg and stays in the blood much longer than plain old dht. come full cirlce back to avena again. its just so much more mild on the body.

 

[mt]

Interesting mt. what about the downgrading effect over time? it may somehow deminish normal dht's effects in the brain over time since 1 methyl dht is WAY more potent mg/mg and stays in the blood much longer than plain old dht. come full cirlce back to avena again. its just so much more mild on the body.

Actually, I've never used Proviron. Just speculating and discussing. I've been an avid user of BAC's avena sativa powder for quite some time. I never heard of it until Nelson brought it to the boards attention. I'm not sure if it works but at less than $6.00 for 50 grams I don't see the harm.

 

[flexshack]

it may somehow deminish normal dht's effects in the brain over time since 1 methyl dht is WAY more potent mg/mg and stays in the blood much longer than plain old dht.

did you read this somewhere or was it just a theory of yours? i am curious to know b/c i have taken proviron before and hope i didn't do any permanent damage. thanks.

 

[twistedneck]

just my theory bro..