athletes- pl squat or oly squat

[ffknight84]

wide box squats and front squat combination

exactly what i do, but my legs have grown too much...

 

[b fold the truth]

wide box squats and front squat combination

I was going to say the same thing...

The wide box squats give me the most development in the muscles most important to me. Hips, hams, glutes, erectors, then quads... I like the front squats (light on Sunday's) also.

B True

 

[Hannibal]

anyone else have opinions on this?

I would have to agree that an athlete should do both. However I would concentrate more on the wide stance to parallel, and use the deep oly squats as a supplemental.

The reason for this is that if you can squat 500lbs to parallel in a wide stance...then you will easily squat 250 in the oly version. The converse is not true. A 250 lb oly style squatter would probably get crushed under 500lb...even though he is using the wide stance shorter range of motion. The reason...he doesnt have the UPPER BODY to support it. People seem to forget the importance of the upper body in squatting...and in running and jumping for that matter. Wanna run faster....bring up your rear delts so your arms can move faster.

 

[edgecrusher]

I would have to agree that an athlete should do both. However I would concentrate more on the wide stance to parallel, and use the deep oly squats as a supplemental.

The reason for this is that if you can squat 500lbs to parallel in a wide stance...then you will easily squat 250 in the oly version. The converse is not true. A 250 lb oly style squatter would probably get crushed under 500lb...even though he is using the wide stance shorter range of motion. The reason...he doesnt have the UPPER BODY to support it. People seem to forget the importance of the upper body in squatting...and in running and jumping for that matter. Wanna run faster....bring up your rear delts so your arms can move faster.

I agree w/ most of what you said, except for one part. When I stgarted oly squatting my box squat went up. Not the vice versa. Most of my clients experience the same thing.

 

[slobberknocker]

I see what Hannibal's saying. You'll be handling more total weight with wide box sq. Makes sense to me.

 

[coolcolj]

Yes he would get crushed, but I don't see it making much difference in sports.

The core strength needed in say sprinting is nothing like what you use when squatting. Trust me on this

I wouldn't be too concerned with how much weight is on the bar, it's not importnat. In sports, speed and Rate of force development is king! Most sports actions happen under 0.2 sec, no time for anyone to exert or use max force/strnegth.

 

[edgecrusher]

I wouldn't be too concerned with how much weight is on the bar, it's not importnat. In sports, speed and Rate of force development is king! Most sports actions happen under 0.2 sec, no time for anyone to exert or use max force/strnegth. [/B][/QUOTE]

True, but more weight at a faster rate = higher power output.

 

[t3c]

thanks for all the replies...very interesting

 

[slobberknocker]

I like the avatar, lol.

 

[JOKER47]

I wouldn't be too concerned with how much weight is on the bar, it's not importnat.

Depends on your sport.

Myself, I do below or right at parallel box squats for DE Day, and oly style high-bar squats every other ME Day.

My reasoning is to correct an identified weakness of weak/unconditioned quads while still focusing on posterior chain, primarily. (With regards to my entire routine.)

That, and I don't do traditional front squats very well. But, I may change that with the addition of my log, now.


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Joker