Asperating

[westck]

Hi,

I just started doing delt shots with a 5/8" 25 g pin. When I go to asperate I have a hell of a time drawing back the plunger. My question is; If I'm having that hard of a time drawing back, should I assume that I am not in a vein, or should I continue to pull until I get a bubble or something?????

Thanks

 

[thx9000]

If you are in a vein it will not take much of a pull to draw blood.

 

[westck]

bump

 

[westck]

Bump

It would be nice if I could get a few more opinions about this.

Thanks

 

[ceo]

safe to assume youre not in a vein, yes.

do you need to keep pulling back, no.

 

[AleaveR]

I usually have a hard time asperating too, that is one of the reasons I like doing quad shots. I can use both hands, one to hold it study and the other to asperate.

I usually keep pulling until I see bubble come up into the syringe where the oil is....

 

[tapoutm]

ya I have a hell of a time as well I have big hands and fingers so I have a hard time getting the needle stable and asperating. For me I have a hard time injecting with out at least seeing a little bubble. I def. do not want to inject into the vein. I have done many cycle's and I still havent went through or injected into one yet!!!! knocking on wood!!

 

[DaddyX]

i have said this over and over again. when u asparate, u dont need to tug the plunger back. if u are in a vein a little flick back will draw the blood into the syringe if u r in one

 

[genarr3]

i have said this over and over again. when u asparate, u dont need to tug the plunger back. if u are in a vein a little flick back will draw the blood into the syringe if u r in one

Yup. If it's hard to pull back it's because you're creating a vacum, which wouldn't happen if you were in a vein.

 

[Ashamed]

U should feel a bit of resistance from the vacuum as mentioned above and all you should see is a few small bubbles...

Even if you went in fine, there is always the danger of nicking a vein on withdrawal... I don't think there is a risk of vein collapse though just from a nick....

 

[buckwheat1]

Plunger is hard to pull back. So, I am never sure if I hit something or not. I always inject a small amount and then wait for about a minute or so. Then a little more and wait. From what I have read, injecting into a vein is not going to kill you but it can make you start coughing or feel like your going to pass out.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you do glute shots, there's no need to asperate.

 

[westck]

If you do glute shots, there's no need to asperate.

I have read that also, but I have also read that there are vessles in the Glute area and you should asperate as well.
Difficult to do by your self.

Thanks to everyone for the great info!

 

[AleaveR]

I always aspirate, even if its just to make sure that I continue to keep it as a habit....

 

[DJ_UFO]

C mon guys is not so hard to aspirate...train those fingers a little bit...i think you can "assume" after so many shots that you are not into a vein...but aspirate, with a good technique, takes just some 30 seconds...and it can make you almost 100% sure that you are not going to have a hard time after geting some juice in a vein...

 

[PharmaPhreak]

in the past 3 years I have never aspirated when doing glute injects out of difficulty with one hand. Hope your right nelson.

 

[mlong23]

If you do glute shots, there's no need to asperate.

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should always aspirate no matter what part of the body it is. It is a good practice and you know you are safe. Who is to say that you are injecting into the right place in your glute, some may go to far toward the crack or to far down where there would be more instances of veins. For someone who is supposed to be intelligent about steroids, I think that was a very ignorrant statement.

 

[mlong23]

I aspirate when doing glute injections and find it not to be that hard. Probably b/c I use my wife to hold the syringe while I pull back, but even when I have done it by myself I don't think it was that hard to do.

When aspirating if you tug on it and it doesn't come back than your fine, you don't need to pull it hard. I have never heard of anything before, but to me I would think you could damage your muscle by pulling it like that with the syringe in it.

 

[Ashamed]

There are plenty of veins in the glute...

Don't let this become a myth that you don't need to aspirate in the glute.

YOU SHOULD ASPIRATE IN THE GLUTE.

 

[Dr. M]

You should always aspirate whenever you inject ANYWHERE in your body intramuscularly or intra-articularly... my doc does it, nurses do it, and I do it. So should everyone else.

-M

 

[Silent Method]

You should always aspirate whenever you inject ANYWHERE in your body intramuscularly or intra-articularly... my doc does it, nurses do it, and I do it. So should everyone else.

-M

Ditto. I've stuck right into a vein twice during glute shots. And yes, I was injecting in the right spot. Had I not aspirated I've have wasted my gear at the very least.

 

[liftshard]

If you create a vacuum, you may see a cavitation bubble in the syringe. This actually will help draw out any air you've left in the pin or elsewhere. Always aspirate just to be sure.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Okay, I think it's timefor everyone to get off their high horse.

And if Sam thinks this is being out of line, I suggest he go back and read the post that calls me stupid and ignorant.

There are no major veins or arteries in the glute and if you use a 25 gaudge 1" it is virtually impossible to inject directly into one. You may puncture a teeny tiny one, but that can happen even if you aspirate. Besides, has anyone ever died from hitting a vein in their glute? The comment about wasting gear, now THAT is ignorant.

When I started HRT I had to pretend to learn how to give myself a shot. The nurse who showed me did not aspirate. Some do, some don't. When it comes to the glute it's really just an unnecessary formality, like wiping the injection spot with an alcohol swab.

Dr M: Red karma for this? If you are really a doctor you should kno there's a chance that someone may go into aphaltic shock from an injection. Do you recommend having a syringe of adrenalin handy at every injection?

Everybody lighten up. People are sterilizing cow steroids in their sink and nobody bats an eye. I suggest doing something that is done millions of times a day with no problems and I'm the anti-Christ.

 

[gab9681]

People are sterilizing cow steroids in their sink and nobody bats an eye. I suggest doing something that is done millions of times a day with no problems and I'm the anti-Christ. [/B]

Heh heh heh So true. Personally, I probably will always aspirate everywhere I inject just to remain consistant. But that is pretty funny.

 

[westck]

Quote by Nelson Montana: When it comes to the glute it's really just an unnecessary formality, Like wiping the injection spot with an alcohol swab.


No offence, but are you saying asperating and cleaning the injection site are both a waste of time?

 

[Silent Method]

Okay, I think it's timefor everyone to get off their high horse.

Looks like you just mounted up.

There are no major veins or arteries in the glute

The inferior and superior gluteal arteries an inferior and superior gluteal veins perfuse the gluteus maximus, gluteus medius, and gluteus minimus, as well as the tensor fascia lata.

and if you use a 25 gaudge 1" it is virtually impossible to inject directly into one

False.

The comment about wasting gear, now THAT is ignorant.

Gear injected into vessles = wasted.

When I started HRT I had to pretend to learn how to give myself a shot. The nurse who showed me did not aspirate. Some do, some don't.

Some firearm salesmen don't check the chamber, magazine, and bolt for live rounds when they remove a gun to show to a customer. Some do, some don't. I know which practice is safest.

When it comes to the glute it's really just an unnecessary formality, like wiping the injection spot with an alcohol swab.

Yeah, I guess some people just like to reduce the chance of infection, other don't. What's that you say? You or somone you know doesn't swab with alcohol before injecting and they haven't gotten an infection yet? That's great real world data. Real world data just like the fact that I HAVE indeed stuck a pin directly into vessles in my glutes on more than one occasion.

Dr M: Red karma for this? If you are really a doctor you should kno there's a chance that someone may go into aphaltic shock from an injection. Do you recommend having a syringe of adrenalin handy at every injection?

It's certainly not a bad idea, especially when using "exotic" chemicals.

Everybody lighten up. People are sterilizing cow steroids in their sink and nobody bats an eye. I suggest doing something that is done millions of times a day with no problems and I'm the anti-Christ.

Take your own advice and lighten up. One person replied directly to you, that's it. Others offered opinions contrary to your's and we need to lighten up and get of our "high horses?" In the future don't embarrass yourself so thoroughly and perhaps you'll be less inclined to throw condescending remarks as a gut reaction.



Feel free to lauch your condescending I know better than you because your stupid and I'm "Nelson Montana" rant now. you can have this thread for your very own, unchallanged by me from this point on.

Everyone else, if you wish to inject right, swab with alcohol and aspirate before the inject.

 

[evander1972]

If you do glute shots, there's no need to asperate.

This is not so I did a shot in my glute last week and when I asperated the plunger came back real easy and there was a little blood in the syringe so I pulled it out got rid of the blood and hut a fresh spot.

 

[Dr. M]

Dr M: Red karma for this? If you are really a doctor you should kno there's a chance that someone may go into aphaltic shock from an injection. Do you recommend having a syringe of adrenalin handy at every injection?

Everybody lighten up. People are sterilizing cow steroids in their sink and nobody bats an eye. I suggest doing something that is done millions of times a day with no problems and I'm the anti-Christ.

First of all, I'm not an M.D., nor do I pretend to be. I'm currently in the process of obtaining my Ph.D. in Biochemistry, and my knowledge of physiology and anatomy stems from my very well-rounded education and experience.

Nelson, if you're going to call me out on injection-related shock, it's 'anaphylactic', not 'aphaltic'. The risk of anaphylaxis from a shot such as the ones we administer to ourselves is so extremely low I can't believe you brought it up (especially after trying to browbeat me for not knowing the score). Anaphylaxis occurs primarily as an overwhelming immune response, not due to psychological or procedural causes... if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know this.

I recommend aspiration on every injection because not everyone is a fucking expert. There are bros here who don't understand how to hit the proper location in the glute to avoid veins and/or the sciatic nerve, and no amount of practice will teach them otherwise. Yes, it's low-probability (esp. with a 25g 1") that you'll hit a vein. Yes, it's very safe for a trained individual not to aspirate for a small-volume shot, especially if it's water based.

Yes, it's very high-probability that someone sticking a pin in their own ass cheek hasn't had proper training in the administration and aftercare of injections, and is far better off safe than sorry. It takes three seconds (no shit, three seconds) to do an aspiration properly. Who wants pulmonary (coughing) or cardiac (arrest, strain, local infarct) side-effects for THREE SECONDS?

Don't be such a tough guy.
-M

 

[Nelson Montana]

I won't respond to SM because I'm through expalining things to kids who are just looking for a fight.

(Incidentally, the nerves he mentioned are not 1" from the epidermis. But he sure sounded smart saying them, didn't he?)

Dr.M First off, lets not argue typos,okay? Secondly, what's the difference what causes shock? It can happen. I love when people try to throw around fancy phrases, even if they have nothing to do with the topic.

Not everyone is an expert? No shit. So what makes you think someone will asperate corectly? Or that they will even see a drop of blood from a syringe half way behind them three feet down. Even you admit, the chances are next to nothing with a 25 1", which is all you need. So who's getting tough?

This is just another example of people arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Dr. M]

Dr.M First off, lets not argue typos,okay? Secondly, what's the difference what causes shock? It can happen. I love when people try to throw around fancy phrases, even if they have nothing to do with the topic.

Remind me again who brought up the 'aphaltic' shock when it had nothing to do with gear injections? Damn right you love it when that happens - you're the one who does it every time!

Not everyone is an expert? No shit. So what makes you think someone will asperate corectly? Or that they will even see a drop of blood from a syringe half way behind them three feet down. Even you admit, the chances are next to nothing with a 25 1", which is all you need. So who's getting tough?

If they pooch it, that's their problem. At least they had a chance to see the blood if they got unlucky enough to hit a vein. If they don't do it at all, they don't even give themselves that chance.

This is just another example of people arguing for the sake of arguing.

You're right Nelson - you've really got to stop doing that.

-M

 

[Silent Method]

I won't respond to SM because I'm through expalining things to kids who are just looking for a fight.

(Incidentally, the nerves he mentioned are not 1" from the epidermis. But he sure sounded smart saying them, didn't he?)

I said I wouldn't, but I am simply compelled to reply to this.


"The nerves" I mentioned? When did inferior and superior gluteal arteries and veins become nerves? Be careful with your statements regarding who sounds smart saying what.

(Of course your reaction to this, had I not beat you to it with this sentence, would be "I simply misread and mistaked veins and arteries for "nerves." Especially because is was MY post and you only scaned it in passing. Be that the case, that explans a great deal about your conduct.)

The main trunks of the inferior and superior gluteal arteries and veins will not be hit in a proper glute inject, but their is a certain degree of probability of sticking in a venial or arterial branch.

 

[mlong23]

I never claimed or will claim to be an expert at steroids and proper adminstration techniques.

But what in the hell makes Nelson Montana a fucking expert. I don't know anything about him, but the way he responds is as if he is a doctor. Or maybe he has done his own clinical trials on hunderds of athlethes if not thousands. And why does he cry about every fucking response that does not say "yes Nelson you are correct, why didn't I just e-mail you my question so that I didn't have to hear from other people that are not as smart as you are."

Like I said I don't know him, maybe he has bad days when he tries to respond to questions, but he sure does sound ignorrant trying to.

 

[ThirdEye]

I draw blood from my glutes quite frequently. I'm not sure if I'm hitting veins because I pull on the plunger pretty hard and only a little bit of blood enters. Anyways, I always pull out and change the needle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

SM; Yes,of course, "veins" not "nerves"-- a slip of the tongue, so to speak. Anyway, even you admit, they aren't a real danger. Meanwhile, how many doctors have you seen injecting into a quad? Yet, that practice is perfectly acceptable here. Maybe I should advocate it, then I'd get a brigade of protestors advising against it.

Look, I'm not telling anyone NOT to asperate -- just that it isn't mandatory with proper glute injections with a small needle.

mlong: You are absolutely correct. You don't know about me and you are not an expert. So here's some advice...ssssh.

 

[Silent Method]

SM; Yes,of course, "veins" not "nerves"-- a slip of the tongue, so to speak. Anyway, even you admit, they aren't a real danger.

Your "slip of the tounge" so to speaks happen very frequently. I don't think you have clue. I think you read somewhere a couple of times that their were "no major veins or arteries in the glute" and you ran with it, without regard for true anatomy.

Branches of the inferior and superior gluteal arteries and veins profuse the glutes. If you're in the correct zone with your glute injects, you need not worry about the trunks of these vessels. However, there is a degree of probability that you will stick right into an arterial or venial branch.

Even I admit they are not a real danger? Are you a fool? I've stated multiple times in this very thread that I HAVE STUCK RIGHT INTO THE SUCKERS MYSELF!

Meanwhile, how many doctors have you seen injecting into a quad? Yet, that practice is perfectly acceptable here. Maybe I should advocate it, then I'd get a brigade of protestors advising against it.

#1. This has nothing to do with aspirating with glute shots. THIS is arguing for the sake of argument.

#2. Injections for bedridden patients who get IM injections are rotated just like steroid users rotate sites with frequent injection. When you stop in to the doctor’s office to get a shot, the quad is not likely to be used. However, quad injections are common in clinical settings.

 

[Dr. M]

The last time anyone here got a flu shot, did they ask you to drop your pants so they could administer it to your glute?

No, they hit your delt with it.

So why are we debating quad injections in a glute injection aspiration thread with the premise that 'doctors don't inject into the quad...' etc. ?

Quad shots are done every so often in clinical settings for various items, especially in the case where the patient is immobile and it would be inconvenient to rotate them, or when they are being administered frequent intramuscular injections which would cause damage to the deltoid due to the frequency.

-M