argument with my dad about squats led to an interesting phone call

[ceo]

so?? I should write a letter to the sports med doc that both wrote the book and certified me regarding the information pertaining to muscle contraction and effects of supporting heavy weight with the skeletal and supportive systems rather than the muscles that are being used to move the weight??

See?? the same thing goes for benching.. whenever during a movement the plane of motion should never allow the muscle to release the contraction allowing for blood to flood the muscle, at the point where the muscle releases the contraction, thus releasing stress to the muscle the weight is still being moved and or supported.. if not by the muscle, then by the skeletal system..

but that's just his opinion, you've stated yours... I've trained both ways... currently using the afore mentioned information as a guide and am very happy with the results.. both in strength, growth, and recovery..

I'm sure your highschool, or college coach will be happy that you squat in that manner, perhaps when you are 48 yr old you'll still be able to do military press for reps at 315 lbs.. that's where i'm at right now.. but i don't do a lot of squats.. I prefer hip sled as it protects my back better..

see, a simple exchange of ideas.. wait, i supported my statements, you simply said they were wrong and stated the opposite..

you've trained both ways. So, you've locked out at the top of a bench press? Dunno about you, but I find it impossible to lockout with...oh, say 300 lbs., and NOT have my muscles still contracting to control the weight.

If someone were to lockout and manage to overcome their instincts and simply "release" their contracted muscles, that 300 lbs. is going to come crashing down on them. Believing otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[bentoverrow]

No, the load is transferred to your hips when you go below parallel (not the knees). Your hips are much better suited for carrying the load than your knees.

once on the way up you will be at parallel, once on the way down you will be at parallel,

doesnt matter where you stop the movement...you are passing throught that positon twice going below parrael..

dont want to argue.. It doesnt really matter which one you do. if your legs grow and you are not in pain, super.

 

[ceo]

dont want to argue.. It doesnt really matter which one you do. if your legs grow and you are not in pain, (YET!) super.

Yeah, the pain usually comes later, when you're older. But hey, who gives a fuck what happens then, right?? Yeah!!!!1@

 

[bentoverrow]

Yeah, the pain usually comes later, when you're older. But hey, who gives a fuck what happens then, right?? Yeah!!!!1@

its been ten years ...how long shall I wait....

 

[UA_Iron]

What was the conclusion on the relaxing in hole with weight on your back? I have a tendency to do this. I never get any pains from squats, my form is excellent...isn't this essentially similar to a box squat?

 

[DaveTSI]

ugh... i take a short break and have to come back to another thread on this subject.. im not even going to touch this one
i thought u guys would have had everyone on the same (the right) page by now damnit.. u guys know who u are lol

 

[Synpax]

I don't know, when you used google, or in your own readings what did you find?

If you haven't done that yet, in Rippetoe's Starting Strength, he lists several independent, peer-reviewed studies done here in the US, and a few others done in Soviet Block countries. I am on vacation right now, so I can't look at my copy and cite them exactly for you.

B-

Ok, yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Never heard of Rippeto.

 

[djeclipse]

What was the conclusion on the relaxing in hole with weight on your back? I have a tendency to do this. I never get any pains from squats, my form is excellent...isn't this essentially similar to a box squat?

Never relax in the hole!

Powerlifters will pause in the hole as it is a requirement for the lift, but they are never relaxing in the hole. There is a muscle reflex that some lifters can keep for up to 2 seconds, they use this reflex while in the hole waiting to go back up. But in order to keep this muscle reflex you have to keep everything tight, relaxing in the hole is not good.

 

[djeclipse]

once on the way up you will be at parallel, once on the way down you will be at parallel,

doesnt matter where you stop the movement...you are passing throught that positon twice going below parrael..

Have you ever taken a physics class?

Passing through that point and stopping, reversing direction at that point are 2 completely different things.

Going through that position the weight is already moving, at that moment in time you only have to keep the weight moving.

When stopping, reverse direction and then go back up at parallel you are putting a tremendous amount of sheer force on the knees (which are not meant to take that kind of stress). Going below parallel puts all that load on the hips which are better suited for carrying that load.

 

[djeclipse]

ugh... i take a short break and have to come back to another thread on this subject.. im not even going to touch this one
i thought u guys would have had everyone on the same (the right) page by now damnit.. u guys know who u are lol

It is a never ending battle of weightlifting myth, gym rumors and simple ignorance compounded by so called personal trainers with improper training and no desire to actually think for themselves vs proper lifting... there is no end in sight.