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Are You Ready For Steroids?

partagus

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It’s getting late on a boring Sunday night and I just wanted to share some thoughts. If you have NEVER used steroids, then you may find this helpful.

When I first found this site, I didn’t know anything about gear, other than I wanted to use some. I thought I could inject some test into my body and then a few weeks later, I would have this amazing body. I didn’t know anything about a proper diet, a solid workout program or PCT. But I’ve learned.

There was a guy I was talking to at the gym recently, and he said he wanted to do some gear. I asked him what his plan was. He told me that once he started gear, he would only eat good, healthy food. He would do 100 push-ups in the morning, workout in the afternoon and do 100 more push-ups at night before bed. He said he would spend two hours a day in the gym, five days a week.

Needless to say, I was impressed. I asked him, what he ate for breakfast. He told me he was running late and just stopped at McDonalds. I asked him if he did his 100 push-ups this morning and he said, no, he didn’t do it. I asked him how many days a week he was coming to the gym and he said two or three. Not consistently, but usually at least two or three days a week. I asked him why he was waiting to start gear BEFORE he actually started working-out. He didn’t have an answer. This got me thinking.

For new people, that have never used gear, I would recommend trying a “Pre-cycle” cycle. Design it around what you plan on running for your first cycle. For example, if you plan on your first cycle being 10 weeks long, then run your pre-cycle for 10 weeks.

Pretend you’re using gear for ten weeks. Eat like you are on cycle, sleep like you are on cycle, and train like you are on cycle. Dedicate yourself so that when you finally do decide to run your first cycle, you’ll know exactly what to expect. You’ll know that you can dedicate yourself to eating a good, solid, clean diet for ten weeks. You’ll know you can get into the gym constantly for ten weeks. You get the point.

Speaking of expectations, spend a lot more time researching your cycle before you do it. I see posts all the time from people that are running their first cycle and have been on test for two weeks and they are wondering when they will see results. Take time to understand the compounds you are putting into your body and how they are supposed to react. Keep your expectations real. Don’t expect to start your cycle looking like Tom Arnold, and then ten weeks later, expect to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

If you’re going to run gear, take the time to do it right. I haven’t crossed over to the dark side yet. But before I do, I am going to try the “Pre-Cycle” Cycle. Oh yeah, and if you’re under the age of 25, WAIT BEFORE YOU USE STEROIDS.
 
Good post bro. Emphasis on PCT.
 
Nice new concept bro. Think I will make this a sticky for a wile. We can expand on the concept and send new people to the thread for a wile. I think we can get the vets to get new people trying this. Great thread.
 
I was basically just what you described, and did M & F's monthy routines too. Got on here to find out what to get and found out I was clueless so I opted to wait to do gear and learned about REAL lifting, nutrition, ect. Glad found this site or I might have done some serious and permanent damage.
I like the concept, but I always figured you needed to be more sound when OFF gear if there was gonna be a difference. Since you don't have the exogenous "boost" so to say.
 
sugashane said:
I like the concept, but I always figured you needed to be more sound when OFF gear if there was gonna be a difference. Since you don't have the exogenous "boost" so to say.
Nope, don't go there. You start thinking that way, you'll start to think that the "boost" will let you get away with things... like eating crap or skipping workouts. That's the whole point.

We're in the season where kids who just took their finals are heading for the beach, and they're all here looking for that "boost" you're talking about... the "magic pill" that is going to turn a beer belly into a six-pack. The pill or the shot that is going to do all the work for them. They don't want to hear that if they're not going to the gym and they're not eating right, all the "boost" in the world is just going to bounce around inside them screwing up what was once a relatively healthy (if underworked) metabolism.

Partagus nailed it. This isn't grading on the curve -- it's pass/fail. If you can't make it to the gym or eat decent food in sufficient quantities, it's time to look at your goals, and stop kidding yourself that the "boost" will make up for the things you aren't doing.
 
digger said:
Nope, don't go there. You start thinking that way, you'll start to think that the "boost" will let you get away with things... like eating crap or skipping workouts. That's the whole point.

We're in the season where kids who just took their finals are heading for the beach, and they're all here looking for that "boost" you're talking about... the "magic pill" that is going to turn a beer belly into a six-pack. The pill or the shot that is going to do all the work for them. They don't want to hear that if they're not going to the gym and they're not eating right, all the "boost" in the world is just going to bounce around inside them screwing up what was once a relatively healthy (if underworked) metabolism.

Partagus nailed it. This isn't grading on the curve -- it's pass/fail. If you can't make it to the gym or eat decent food in sufficient quantities, it's time to look at your goals, and stop kidding yourself that the "boost" will make up for the things you aren't doing.

I understand what you mean, and I know eating like crap or skiping workouts wouldn't be beneficial, regardless of exogenous help. Steroids are very dangerous if not used judiciously with extensive knowlege. I've stated things like that in several posts, but I did poorly word my earlier post.
What I meant though was that your food intake, proteins, carbs, and fats, wouldn't you want to change it to some degree? Protein should be even higher when "on" because of the increase of protein synthesis is what I've always thought. Because of increased strain, more muscle trauma, ect, there will be more nutrients needed to repair the extra damage? I might be overthinking but thats been my view thus far.
 
sugashane said:
I understand what you mean, and I know eating like crap or skiping workouts wouldn't be beneficial, regardless of exogenous help. Steroids are very dangerous if not used judiciously with extensive knowlege. I've stated things like that in several posts, but I did poorly word my earlier post.
What I meant though was that your food intake, proteins, carbs, and fats, wouldn't you want to change it to some degree? Protein should be even higher when "on" because of the increase of protein synthesis is what I've always thought. Because of increased strain, more muscle trauma, ect, there will be more nutrients needed to repair the extra damage? I might be overthinking but thats been my view thus far.
This thread is more about ones dedication level then anything else. Before ou jump into a cycle, try learning about diet and exercise. Get it right and be honest with yourself. Can you right out a strict diet and exercise plan and then stick to that plan for 10 weeks.

No not just saying ya I could do it,but do it and be honest about if you did it or not. At the end of this 10 weeks did you see some great gains or not? Did you stick the the plan 100% or not.
 
Excellent post. Great advice. The funny thing is, if it's "gains" that you want there are plenty of things that'll give results that people forgo just to try the gear. Remember, the more you put on naturally, the more you'll put on after you use gear. The sooner you use it, the sooner your gains will come to a halt.

And yes, take advantage of every moment you're in an anabolic state. This is why I go crazy when I hear people saying that gear doesn't kick in for 3 weeks. And if you're on for 16 weeks, there's no way you're going to train full out that entire time. You're not fooling anyone but yourself. Be smart. If you're going to do it, do it right.
 
awsome post. ive been consistent with my training and diet since 2004 when i started working out. Ive also been doing my research and asking questions. Learning what works with what and what does each compound do. Im finally getting ready to cross over and im so excited.
I also think that post is more than just using gear. I think it covers just the whole aspect of working out, as far dudes comming up with all these goals and plans and not even touching a weight or a slim dude saying he is not gaining any weight, eats all the time and then you find out he is eating twice or three times a day and its usually crap and fast food.
 
I have experienced this over and over with many people I train...

It is unbelievable that people expect to inject or pop before putting a diet or 'true' regime in place. I have been training for 11 years now and using for about 5 but very focused on my goals and diet.

Diet is actually more important when not using.

An increasing number of children (forgive the term but that is what I call the 21 and 22 year olds who think sticking a needle in them is the best way of getting big) and I am tired of reading about people who are doing their first cycles trying to take 750 mg of test mixed with this and that rather than progressively building up.

If those children who are naturally producing 50-60mgs of testosterone naturally a week need to inject more than 10 times that on a first cycle, they are definitely doing something wrong.

It is funny how numerous people I train complain they are not gaining weight but when you ask if they stuck to their diet they say no. They forgot breakfast cause they were busy or they forgot to eat / drink after their workout cause they didnt have enough time...... it is quite, simply, unbelievable.

I had a break recently - was off for a number of years - and yes I would have loved to jump right back on to aas but trained for a while before using and with the right diet, not drinking alcohol and sleeping correctly, I gained 22lbs in 10 weeks - naturally!

Yes, of course it is also assisted by muscle memory but with the right diet, rest and training, people can definitely get more without looking for a quick fix.
 
That was a good post. I joined this site looking for info for my first cycle. That was close to a year ago now, and I am still yet to do my first cycle. I have made the best gains in my life this past year with proper diet, training, and supplementation alone. I am glad I didn't jump on that cycle a year ago. Where would I be now? Would I be gaining all this size and strength naturally after my cycle? Probably not. If you are young (<30) and on the fence about cycling just hold off. I know people want to be ripped and huge and do as little hard work as possible, but it just isn't that easy. There are no shortcuts in this game. Train smart.
 
sugashane said:
I was basically just what you described, and did M & F's monthy routines too. Got on here to find out what to get and found out I was clueless so I opted to wait to do gear and learned about REAL lifting, nutrition, ect. Glad found this site or I might have done some serious and permanent damage.
I like the concept, but I always figured you needed to be more sound when OFF gear if there was gonna be a difference. Since you don't have the exogenous "boost" so to say.

I am still not on gear. I have been reading and trying to educate myself about it. I faithfully go to the gym....unless I am dinged up....and need a little extra healing time.....I faithfully eat my protein....try to manage my diet.

I still am making progress at the gym. I got asked the other night if I did Steroids. I was like...hell no....I'd be huge if I did.

My diet isn't clean...but it's fairly decent.....but still needs a lot of work. It might be 6 months to a year before I actually would be willing to do a cycle, but I know when I do, I'll be able to do it responsibly, and have the knowledge, the proper gear, routine, diet etc. in place ahead of time before I even start it. Good post......and a good reminder for everyone.

Your fitness goals imo should be viewed as if you are running a marathon.....not a sprint. Take your time...pace yourself...train right.
 
Caleb's Tree said:
Your fitness goals imo should be viewed as if you are running a marathon.....not a sprint. Take your time...pace yourself...train right.

I agree with you. Unfortunately we live in the "Instant Gratification" Society. People are taught, from a very early age, that if they want something, they should have it NOW.

Very few people are willing to sacrifice to get what they want. That's why I like coming to EF. It motivates me to see other Bro's out here putting in the time and doing things right BEFORE they try gear.
 
partagus said:
I agree with you. Unfortunately we live in the "Instant Gratification" Society. People are taught, from a very early age, that if they want something, they should have it NOW.

Very few people are willing to sacrifice to get what they want. That's why I like coming to EF. It motivates me to see other Bro's out here putting in the time and doing things right BEFORE they try gear.

That's true.....we are all guilty of that. I am taking my time and waiting till I try gear. I am getting gains naturally and am 44. Added about 3/4s of an inch to my arms in about 3 months. Now, maybe that don't impress some, but it impresses me, and I did it naturally with a halfway decent diet and half way decent training, and imo, both my diet and training could be better.

Some day I will try gear, but if you can't gain naturally imo, you shouldn't do gear, because something you are doing isn't right. When my time comes to cross to the darkside....I want to do it responsibly and knowledgeably.
 
That's true.....we are all guilty of that. I am taking my time and waiting till I try gear. I am getting gains naturally and am 44. Added about 3/4s of an inch to my arms in about 3 months. Now, maybe that don't impress some, but it impresses me, and I did it naturally with a halfway decent diet and half way decent training, and imo, both my diet and training could be better.

Some day I will try gear, but if you can't gain naturally imo, you shouldn't do gear, because something you are doing isn't right. When my time comes to cross to the darkside....I want to do it responsibly and knowledgeably.

Believe me, that impresses me to say the least, that your 44 and added 3/4s of an inch to your arms congrats.

I am 20 years old and was seriously considering doing steroids to help my physique and perform better on the gridiron. After joining this site and reading and researching for hours I realized that I dont need joose. I got enough testosterone and with a clean diet i can get some killer gains. Too many of my buddies misuse joose...not even 22 yet and are on year round joose cycles without PCT. I feel sorry for these guys cause their health has gone to shit...Im pretty sure their livers and heart arnt on speaking terms right now.

Just a side note hopefully someone can anwser this...what would be a good OTC supps stack for someone like me, who can run a pretend cycle. People seem to talk good things about this dermacrine, but they don't ship to canada :(
 
Saint of Iron said:
Believe me, that impresses me to say the least, that your 44 and added 3/4s of an inch to your arms congrats.

I am 20 years old and was seriously considering doing steroids to help my physique and perform better on the gridiron. After joining this site and reading and researching for hours I realized that I dont need joose. I got enough testosterone and with a clean diet i can get some killer gains. Too many of my buddies misuse joose...not even 22 yet and are on year round joose cycles without PCT. I feel sorry for these guys cause their health has gone to shit...Im pretty sure their livers and heart arnt on speaking terms right now.

Just a side note hopefully someone can anwser this...what would be a good OTC supps stack for someone like me, who can run a pretend cycle. People seem to talk good things about this dermacrine, but they don't ship to canada :(


I think the Sustain Alpha ships to Canada, just not the Dermacrine cause it has DHEA. Not sure. The thing that helped me was realizing how much protein I needed to take in, eating 5 times a day, getting enough rest, and having a good routine. I take Creatine, which could account for a bit of my size gains with water retention, Whey Protein, and a Multivitamin. Lots of water, and electrolytes when I think I've drank too much water...LOL. I've been working out for 6 months straight, and have made some decent gains in the gym naturally. I have low test by the way, and will probably start some HRT sometime this summer, but I've done decently with legal suppliments. You can still gain muscle and strength even if you have low test.

If you have a place like a Vitamin World, or GNC in Canada, they might be able to tell you what legal supps you can take. Anything that can help you boost test will probably help you in the gym. Protein probably is the best legal suppliment you can take imo.
 
Most people do not understand the role that a diet has. A spot on diet thats fitted towards your goals can give you gear like results at the novice and even intermediate levels. If you want to bulk then you set up a bulk diet and you follow it perfectly and the same with a cutter.
 
skullcrushin22 said:
Most people do not understand the role that a diet has. A spot on diet thats fitted towards your goals can give you gear like results at the novice and even intermediate levels. If you want to bulk then you set up a bulk diet and you follow it perfectly and the same with a cutter.

If this is aimed at a novice level athlete than maybe, but no matter how much the uneducated need education gear makes all the difference in the world.

If your plan is shit will a gram of test make you grow - yes. Will you keep the gains - no. If you eat like it's your job, either like a BB and super strict, or like an athelete and just a lot of wholesome foods then you will have tremendous gains on cycle.

Elite got us all when we were new to gear. I know countless people that wanted to research gear, and came here for over a year w/out even making a user name. It is a great place to start.

Unfortunalty you still see the same nonsense questions, and like digger said people looking for a magic pill. This is why the sponsers do so well - most of the AAS board regulars are looking for shortcuts, and ways around gruling training and eating non stop. Trust me, I am so sick of eating 16oz of steak 3x a day right now I can't even describe it. I hate chicken, I hate fish, hell - sometimes I hate food... and I don't eat chick/broc/brown rice. I eat meatloaf, drink whole milk, and eat mac and cheese. Try it - your deadlift and raw bench will thank you!

The right of passage to real strength is personal persaverence. Doing what is hard, or doing what you think can't be done. Making this a part of your life and not a footnote. It's either who you are or who you aren't.

Then once you master it adding gear is just awesome.
 
al420 said:
If this is aimed at a novice level athlete than maybe, but no matter how much the uneducated need education gear makes all the difference in the world.

If your plan is shit will a gram of test make you grow - yes. Will you keep the gains - no. If you eat like it's your job, either like a BB and super strict, or like an athelete and just a lot of wholesome foods then you will have tremendous gains on cycle.

Elite got us all when we were new to gear. I know countless people that wanted to research gear, and came here for over a year w/out even making a user name. It is a great place to start.

Unfortunalty you still see the same nonsense questions, and like digger said people looking for a magic pill. This is why the sponsers do so well - most of the AAS board regulars are looking for shortcuts, and ways around gruling training and eating non stop. Trust me, I am so sick of eating 16oz of steak 3x a day right now I can't even describe it. I hate chicken, I hate fish, hell - sometimes I hate food... and I don't eat chick/broc/brown rice. I eat meatloaf, drink whole milk, and eat mac and cheese. Try it - your deadlift and raw bench will thank you!

The right of passage to real strength is personal persaverence. Doing what is hard, or doing what you think can't be done. Making this a part of your life and not a footnote. It's either who you are or who you aren't.

Then once you master it adding gear is just awesome.

Yeah I agree. Once you have done all that you can do training/diet/supp wise then adding gear is awesome, but a lot of people use it before they take the more difficult path.
 
I'm gonna bump this and then unstick it -- got too many stickies, and people need to be reading them, not scrolling past them. :D
 
What a great thread.

I was training yesterday, Sunday, post on call (so very little sleep) on a gorgeous day, and a few of the regulars were in.

I considered myself to be 'going through the motions' as I was quite tired, I was training with just under my max weights for most things, and I didn't add any weight to any of my lifts, so 'going through the motions' as far as I am concerned now.

Between sets on my short breaks, I took a look at a few of the newbies around me.

One thing really, really struck me. They were all training with less weight than I was, they were training like total pussies, bad form, tiny weights, and one chap was even grunting it out for every rep of dumbell kickbacks with 5 kg/12 lbs.

It was shocking to say the least.

On the way out, just to do a reality check, I asked one of the other regulars if he had noticed the same thing.

His reply shocked me just as much. Not only had he noticed it, but he also said that most of the newbies thought that he and his mate were on steroids.

They are not on steroids, they are not all that particularly big at all. They do train balls to the walls most days and move some decent weight, but they are not geared up.

It got me thinking, if they think that these two lads are geared up, they must think the same of me. I have been comp prepping now for bloody ages, just added cardio, and now that I am getting lean, I look really muscular and I do move some serious weight for a wee slip of a lass.

What saddens me is that if these newbies think that it is the gear, they are really missing out.

If they think it is the drugs, then it is going to take them AGES and how many cycle where they lose all their gains before they learn how to train properly, how to feed themselves properly.

It is bloody hard work, and even I have forgotten how bloody difficult it is to get to the single digits of body fat.

Let me tell you, two hours of cardio/day sucks, but it is my own fault for getting too fat off season.

:)
 
Wow, I can't believe this is a year old already. Where has the time gone?
 
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