anyone using m1-t

[ProtienFiend]

That's what I thought as well although the manufactures are claiming that it doesn't. If it didn't amormatize then why would they suggest using 4AD with it??? 4AD is supposedly an anti-e type OTC supp.

4ad is another prohormone, which DOES aromatize... It is recommened in the stack to reduce lethargy.

 

[Juice Authority]

4ad is another prohormone, which DOES aromatize... It is recommened in the stack to reduce lethargy.

That's one component of it. It's also used to counteract estrongen related sides since M1t does convert to estrogen. The safest bet is to run 4AD with a low dose of Nolva. I disagree however with your statement that 4AD amormatizes unless the information below is inaccurate, which I highly doubt.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catproh.htm

4-diol or 4AD (4-androsten-3,17-diol)

Target Hormone: Testosterone
Molecular name of target hormone: 4-androstene-3-one,17ß-ol
Target conversion: High (15.76 %)
Conversion enzyme: 3-ß-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD)
DHT conversion: low, only from target hormone
Estrogenic effects: no aromatisation from compound, some from target hormone

According to many, this is the very best prohormones have to offer, but I beg to differ. Nonetheless my second choice. Because it's a diol it has no aromatisation prior to conversion, significantly lessening the risk of excessive estrogenic formation. It also doesn't make a direct conversion to DHT. Its structurally incapable of doing so. DHT is still a risk, because of the higher amount of testosterine produced and the fact that testosterine (through 5-alpha-reducates) can be converted to DHT in the Sertoli cells. This makes this a definite winner. If it doesn't give you results due to bad conversion, it also won't give you the side effects, because basically if it doesn't convert it can't make estrogens or DHT. That only makes the risk increase with the gains, and makes 4AD one of the safer prohormones.

4-diol is also by far the most anabolic of the three testosterone prohormones, offering almost three times as much conversion as andro and over 20 times higher than DHEA or 5-diol. In the real world that translates to 310% greater increase in testosterone and 256% greater increase in free testosterone (available) than andro (based on results compared to a control group) and 129% more anabolic than 5-diol¹

For testosterone conversion and pure legal anabolic, androgenic action, nothing beats 4-diol at this point. Especially once you pass 30 and your test levels begin to taper, the effects of 4-diol will exert a major effect on both gains and strength. 4-diol, after all, also seems to have a strong pre-workout energizing effect and a positive influence on libido.

¹ Ristovic L.J., Cobanovic M., Kem Ind, 24(7), 389-92

Methyl 1-Test

Methyl 1-Test is 1-testosterone with an alteration to the molecule that allows it to pass through the liver more freely without degredation. When a compound is methylated it changes the physical structure of the compound and it tends to act differently in the body. In the case of methyl 1-test, it seems to be a much stronger anabolic without particularly androgenic sides. Methyl 1-test is being sold in 5mg and 10mg tablets, as well as in powder and solutions. It seems to differ from other methylated compounds such as Winstrol and Dianabol in that it is more stronger mg per mg without very much conversion to DHT. The typical dosing pattern seems to be 5-10mg once daily. Those above 200lbs or experienced steroid/prohormone users might see benefits in 20mg ore more, however the side effects seem to be harsher the more you use. Some of the more common side effects reported are lethargy, decreased appetite, very painful pumps as well as high blood pressure.

Methyl 1-test is a very powerful compound and is not recommended for beginners. This is clearly a drug and should be thought of as such. The only reason this compound is legal is due to the fact that it was never scheduled as a steroid since it was never manufactured, although its chemical structure is very similar to oral Primobolan. Users of methyl 1-test should be on the lookout for increased liver values, high blood pressure, extreme lethargy and pumps, as well as decreased appetite. Methyl 1-test should definintely be stacked with 4AD to help counteract some of these estrogen-related sides and give you the benefits of testosterone supplementation. Users should get blood work done before and after cycles of this compound.

A cycle of methyl 1-test should not last any longer than 6 weeks. However, most users seem to prefer the 2 weeks on/2 weeks off pattern.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

m1t is an unknown quantity.
17aa steroids can be extremely liver toxic- there are no safety studies on this compound.

keep in mind that many 17aa steroids, thousands, were synthesized but only a few made it to production.

It is effective, but the side effects both short and long term are too unknown. It was irresponsible to release this OTC without any testing.

IMO this product is too unknown for safe usage- if indeed it is safe at all.

 

[ProtienFiend]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catproh.htm

4-diol or 4AD (4-androsten-3,17-diol)

dude, its bodybuilding.com.. those guys dont even workout.

 

[landser]

Does anyone else think this supplement should be left untouched?

Also, I think people have been thinking that since 20mg of dbol, or var or winny may work, 20mg is a good dose for m1T.

I think this is crap. I woudn't take more than 5mg if I were ever to take this shit, which I won't.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Can't some anabolic altruist put a stop to the liver toxicity unknown and post the results of a pre and post m-1t cycle liver enzyme screen?

 

[randyjones]

Im using it at 20mgs a day and I like it.Im using nova and milk thistle.

 

[Juice Authority]

dude, its bodybuilding.com.. those guys dont even workout.

Whatever. No one comes close to Patrick Arnold's knowledge of Prohormones and Pro Steroids. Big Cat is no idiot either. I don't know why he is so openly disrespected on this board. The dude has a lot of knowledge.

 

[ProtienFiend]

i know.. all im saying is that i wouldnt hold everything they say as truth.... especially since they are running a supplement business off that site...

 

[mphowells]

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