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Anyone else gone Paleo?

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Captain FT

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I switched to a paleo diet after the New Year. So far I like it and haven't really had any carb cravings and surprisingly feel really good during my workouts - I thought i would be pretty lethargic.

Been eating a lot of eggs and uncured bacon for breakfast, tuna and avocado for lunch, dinner usually steak, bison, or chicken with some veggies and snacking on almonds and pistachios throughout the day. No dairy, no grains, no pasta, no potatos.

Assuming most of you know what the paleo diet is, if you don't you can read more here:
Frequently Asked Questions About The Paleo Diet | Dr. Loren Cordain

Why switch?

Last year I read the Paleo Diet for Athletes and found it interesting. I read more about the diet and the studies that have been done and it makes sense to me. I don't think I'll go back knowing now what I know about grain and grain products.

If you've gone Paleo, why did you switch?
 
I'm easing into it myself, eating less and less carbs and dairy as I progress. So far my energy levels are fine, but I do find that I have to eat so much more (I'm bulking) due to the lack of calories from cutting carbs and dairy. Chicken, cod, steak are my staple proteins, with avocado, coconut oil, nuts and seeds as my fat sources. Eating lots of green veg, asparagus and broccoli, mushrooms, onions, and peppers.

Depending on where you look, many Paleo blogs still push sweet potatoes and even dairy products. The hardest thing to let go of is my yogurt in the morning, and my cottage cheese before bed. Oh and peanut butter.

Check out the foodee project online. Has some exceptional recipes and an easy to use site that lets you plan your meals and grocery lists for the week. This is one of the sites that still has quite a few sweet potato included recipes.
 
the no dairy thing always hung me up...keto and organic doesnt bother me at all but I get downright bitchy when you take cheese away from me
 
King Leonidas said:
I'm easing into it myself, eating less and less carbs and dairy as I progress. So far my energy levels are fine, but I do find that I have to eat so much more, due to the lack of calories from cutting carbs and dairy. Chicken, cod, steak are my staple proteins, with avocado, coconut oil, nuts and seeds as my fat sources. Eating lots of green veg, asparagus and broccoli, mushrooms, onions, and peppers.

Depending on where you look, many Paleo blogs still push sweet potatoes and some dairy products. The hardest thing to let go of is my yogurt in the morning, and my cottage cheese before bed.

Check out the foodee project online. Has some exceptional recipes and an easy to use site that lets you plan your meals and grocery lists for the week. This is one of the sites that still has quite a few sweet potato included recipes.
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I've been eating a lot of kale and Swiss chard too in place of spinach - both are more nutrient dense on the ANDI scale

Online Library | Articles | ANDI Food Scores | DrFuhrman.com
 
shirlene29 said:
the no dairy thing always hung me up...keto and organic doesnt bother me at all but I get downright bitchy when you take cheese away from me
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So you blame it on the cheese ehhh?


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They taste great are easy to prepare.


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King Leonidas said:
Captain I've never had Chard or Kale. How's it taste and is it easy to prepare? What about taste a few days after prepared?
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saute it in olive or coconut oil with sliced garlic and a little salt and pepper. tastes kind of like sautéed spinach and like sauteed spinach it cooks down a lot. both kale and swiss chard are dirt cheap too.
 
i'm 2 weeks into the warrior diet...1 big meal a day. I sometimes juice some spinach and various other greens in teh morning, but no solid food till "after" the wkt. I've been fasting regularly for a couple years now so it's no big deal to go all day without food, but working out on an empty stomach was rough for the first few days to a week. The way your joints heal up when you're doing this is simply astounding. My joints haven't felt this good since I did Deca.
 
redsamurai said:
i'm 2 weeks into the warrior diet...1 big meal a day. I sometimes juice some spinach and various other greens in teh morning, but no solid food till "after" the wkt. I've been fasting regularly for a couple years now so it's no big deal to go all day without food, but working out on an empty stomach was rough for the first few days to a week. The way your joints heal up when you're doing this is simply astounding. My joints haven't felt this good since I did Deca.
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thats great about your joints. so how does the warrior diet work? I've had some of my best workouts in the early morning, fasted, or maybe a cup of coffee.

I don't really look at the paleo diet as a "diet" per se. i won't eventually revert back to my old ways. I'm perfectly fine not having dairy, pasta, grains, etc. for the rest of my life. Will i cheat - I certainly will have some pizza and beer watching the Superbowl but I'll go back to my normal paleo routine
 
Captain FT said:
thats great about your joints. so how does the warrior diet work? I've had some of my best workouts in the early morning, fasted, or maybe a cup of coffee.

I don't really look at the paleo diet as a "diet" per se. i won't eventually revert back to my old ways. I'm perfectly fine not having dairy, pasta, grains, etc. for the rest of my life. Will i cheat - I certainly will have some pizza and beer watching the Superbowl but I'll go back to my normal paleo routine
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the warrior diet is just one big meal a day. I think it allows for raw foods earlier in the day like nuts and seeds, but nothing cooked until the one meal. Yeah if I was a better morning person I would have been working out in the morning for awhile now.

I've been reading some interesting new research on fasting actually. THey did a study on muslim rugby players who were fasting for ramadan. So I think they were only able to eat like once a day or once every few days and only after sundown or some shit like that, Traz could probably give specifics here. ANyway, they found that GH, IGF, norpeniferine (sp?) and other powerful hormones shot way up. In fact they say that detecting these hormones in normal individuals is almost impossible but they know it's being made, but when people are fasting so much is being released it's easy to detect. The reason our bodies make these hormones is because it used to be when we hit the fasted state our bodies were telling us to go out and hunt. So the GH is for muscle preservation and the other nuero chemicals are to make our minds sharper and clearer, increasing the connection between the brain and muscles. What I found really interesting is that biologically, when our bodies want us to be at our most athletic.....it shuts testosterone off. The test only comes back on once there is a caloric surplus. Test may actually be kind of an inefficient and overrated muscle builder. Yeah it works in synthetic form but as most of us know here you gotta take alot of it and over time you have to take more and more. It's probalby why shit goes away so fast once you stop. We might be overlooking more useful and more powerful chemicals.
 
redsamurai said:
the warrior diet is just one big meal a day. I think it allows for raw foods earlier in the day like nuts and seeds, but nothing cooked until the one meal. Yeah if I was a better morning person I would have been working out in the morning for awhile now.

I've been reading some interesting new research on fasting actually. THey did a study on muslim rugby players who were fasting for ramadan. So I think they were only able to eat like once a day or once every few days and only after sundown or some shit like that, Traz could probably give specifics here. ANyway, they found that GH, IGF, norpeniferine (sp?) and other powerful hormones shot way up. In fact they say that detecting these hormones in normal individuals is almost impossible but they know it's being made, but when people are fasting so much is being released it's easy to detect. The reason our bodies make these hormones is because it used to be when we hit the fasted state our bodies were telling us to go out and hunt. So the GH is for muscle preservation and the other nuero chemicals are to make our minds sharper and clearer, increasing the connection between the brain and muscles. What I found really interesting is that biologically, when our bodies want us to be at our most athletic.....it shuts testosterone off. The test only comes back on once there is a caloric surplus. Test may actually be kind of an inefficient and overrated muscle builder. Yeah it works in synthetic form but as most of us know here you gotta take alot of it and over time you have to take more and more. It's probalby why shit goes away so fast once you stop. We might be overlooking more useful and more powerful chemicals.
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Thats very interesting, and makes complete sense. Thats how our ancestors lived for millions of years and how our bodies are designed. I wonder if the release of GH would be enough to actually cause decent growth or just enough to cary our bodies out of the catabolic state we got ourselves into by fasting.
 
I've been following "lean gains" intermittent fasting for about 6 months, really like it.

Do you hit keto following Paleo?
 
Just teasing


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Captain FT said:
Thats very interesting, and makes complete sense. Thats how our ancestors lived for millions of years and how our bodies are designed. I wonder if the release of GH would be enough to actually cause decent growth or just enough to cary our bodies out of the catabolic state we got ourselves into by fasting.
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well the amount of GH being released is supposed to tide you over for a couple days. Actual catabolism doesn't happen till the 72-96 hours mark...that's fucking impressive. That literally means you don't lose an ounce of real muscle, so long as you're taking in water, for 3-4 days. So if you're hitting that meal once a day and maybe doing a 2 day fast every other week or so you should be a GH machine.
 
That's interesting where did you get that info from?


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redsamurai said:
well the amount of GH being released is supposed to tide you over for a couple days. Actual catabolism doesn't happen till the 72-96 hours mark...that's fucking impressive. That literally means you don't lose an ounce of real muscle, so long as you're taking in water, for 3-4 days. So if you're hitting that meal once a day and maybe doing a 2 day fast every other week or so you should be a GH machine.
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You peaked my interest bro, I bought the book...Er virtual book, reading it now. Thx red
 
What book?
WTF?
LOL
 
goin on 4T said:
What book?

WTF?

LOL
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The Warrior Diet. I'm thinking I might apply both the principles of the Paleo diet with controlled fasting of The Warrior Diet. Warrior Diet is only 360 pages or so and seems in line with Paleo just takes a different approach.
 
goin on 4T said:
That's interesting where did you get that info from?


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I just read it the otehr day about the study of the muslim rugby players during Ramadan. That was about fasting though, not the warrior diet specifically. The warrior diet probably has you eating something before the wkt...what i've been doing for the past week or so is actually lifting on a completely empty stomach. I might have a little juice in the morning and do get some carbs in the form of whatever i sweeten my coffee with that day, but that's it. I'm trying to convert my body to use ketones as an energy source. It may take some time before the body adjusts and can utilize the ketones as efficiently as acetones, which are what is created when you eat mainly carbs. But I'm not eating Paleo though, for that one meal a day I'm definitely taking in everything, including alot of carbs. My end goal is that what carbs I do take in go straight to the muscles, all of it.
 
Check out this thread on the Anabolic Board - dude does IF and there's a lot of QA on it:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/time-go-get-pro-card-log-908293.html

insanityapproved said:
Diet:

Intermittent fasting style diet (16 hours fast / 8 hours eating , fasted workouts). I will not go into details about this protocol as there are tons of articles about it all over the net. And you'll find some interesting articles of mine on my blog when it's finally up.

Nutrient intake / day:
- 500g protein
- 400g carbohydrates
- 50g fats

Protein sources are lean meats, egg whites, whey protein, low-fat curd cheese, yogurt
Carbs sources are veggies and fruits, oats, rice, yogurt
Fats sources are fish oil, macadamia nut oil, fish, olive oil, walnuts

I got rid of my lactose-fructose-phobia a long time ago and I'm glad I did. Has no effect on my form whatsoever but makes eating much more fun as I've loved fruit and dairy since I was a kid. I also always make sure I eat at least 4lbs of veggies per day no matter what my goal is, except for the last days prior to shows. Most people underestimate the importance of proper nutrition which comes into play as even more important when on a steroid cycles. Want to cleanse your body? Need liver support? Antioxidants? Better digestion? Improved cholesterol levels? Vegetables will provide all of that. But surely eating 100 grams of broc per day isn't going to have much effect, just like you won't try bulking with 10mgs of steroids per day. Your body needs real food to function properly. I hate it when I see kids trying to bulk up, living on protein bars and weight gainer shakes. The only thing you're going to achieve with such diet is possible long term digestive issues and malnutrition as long as you don't supplement your diet with a whole bunch of micronutrients and fiber.
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UA_Iron said:
Check out this thread on the Anabolic Board - dude does IF and there's a lot of QA on it:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/time-go-get-pro-card-log-908293.html
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he's dead on teh money about micronutrients. We're all obsessed with macronutrients, well they're worthless without micronutrients. YOu can eat 1000 grams a day of protein and you won't hardly absord any of it without the right micronutrients floating around your system. Vegetables, and just green shit in general, are far and away more important than carbs/fat/protein.
 
UA_Iron said:
Check out this thread on the Anabolic Board - dude does IF and there's a lot of QA on it:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/time-go-get-pro-card-log-908293.html
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but there's absolutely no reason for him to do intermittent fasting with all that gear he's taking, it's actually counter productive. The whole point of IF is to simulate the kind of hormonal dump you get from being on roids, just not to the same extent. You can't eat hundreds and hundred of grams of protein a day and expect to digest it if you're not on roids. He's not producing much of his own hormones because he's got synthetic hormones coursing through his body so it's just not that useful to be fasting like that for purpose's other than cleansing
 
I try to eat more food that grows but I won't give up some things like cheese and rice. My energy level is stable but stable at a lower level. Top cross fit athletes do not eat paleo.

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Wow I don't think that guy likes anything, I couldn't help but skim through the crossfit article when I saw the picture of that hottie.
Makes me remember the good old days of picture books.
 
why are so many people on that post doing gear along side IF? The whole point of IF is to cleanse your body of synthetic crap, of which gear is part of, and kickstart your own natural hormone production. DOing gear blunts your endocrine response, possibly completely, to fasting. If you can't give up gear do it while your not fasting. Use the fasting period to get your own natural process's back in order, than you can cycle again.
 
redsamurai said:
why are so many people on that post doing gear along side IF? The whole point of IF is to cleanse your body of synthetic crap, of which gear is part of, and kickstart your own natural hormone production. DOing gear blunts your endocrine response, possibly completely, to fasting. If you can't give up gear do it while your not fasting. Use the fasting period to get your own natural process's back in order, than you can cycle again.
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So would you say IF prepares the body faster for a next cycle? Or even makes the necessary time off between cycle shorter?
 
-SD- said:
So would you say IF prepares the body faster for a next cycle? Or even makes the necessary time off between cycle shorter?
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it's very possible because the fasting cleans out your receptor sites. WHen your body is fasting it's basically killing everything that don't belong and resetting alot of functions. The leydig cells in your shnuts get restored from the GH and/or IGF so they're gonna produce more test, in the presence of caloric surplus....like they did when you were young. Cardiovascular tissue is also supposed to respond similiarly. Can it reset someone who's abused roids for years if not decades? I don't know but i'm sure if it does it requires adhering to fasting regimens for awhile and not doing more shit to your body in the meantime.

I'm really interested in the whole downreg of test that goes on during the fast. When our bodies need us to be strong, fast, mean and nasty...it turns off test and goes to other hormones/chemicals. It really does make sense now why you have to inject so much test to really see results, and why you have to progressively increase that amount to see the same results. It's not the bodies preferred method of muscle generation. I read years ago that a pound of muscle gained from steroid supplemenation was not as strong as a pound of muscle gained naturally, and they didn't know why. Well, if that natural muscle was created by other hormones beside testosterone, maybe that's the reason.
 
I worked with a massages therapist who started a paleo diet and claims that a month into the diet, she just stopped her drug addiction. She swears by this diet and feels it balanced out her brain chemicals which was causing her self-medicated addiction. She's been drug free (no therapy or addiction programs) since doing the diet (4 years). Hey, whatever works

I'm a gluten free vegetarian so to paleo for me, but I am addicted to chard and kale in my juicing.
 
I've had great success with Paleo. I've lost two inches off of my waist while gaining fifteen pounds. I was lean to begin with. I have to remind myself to eat because the diet kills my appetite.

I put my girlfriend on Paleo and got her working out. She has type 2 diabetes. In two months she has lost eighteen pounds, is off of metformin, has increased her strength around 60- 80% on her weight lifting exercises, and her blood sugar is down ten points even without the metformin.
 
TrueLiberal said:
I've had great success with Paleo. I've lost two inches off of my waist while gaining fifteen pounds. I was lean to begin with. I have to remind myself to eat because the diet kills my appetite.

I put my girlfriend on Paleo and got her working out. She has type 2 diabetes. In two months she has lost eighteen pounds, is off of metformin, has increased her strength around 60- 80% on her weight lifting exercises, and her blood sugar is down ten points even without the metformin.
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Say it ain't so! Clean diet and exercise eliminated her Type II diabetes? Call pharma, they will want to know what this snake oil is

Congrat to your GF. My job is to educate and teach health so good job
 
blueta2 said:
Say it ain't so! Clean diet and exercise eliminated her Type II diabetes? Call pharma, they will want to know what this snake oil is
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^^^This


Now they're saying it's heriditary so when your kid gets it by age 4 or god forbid is born with it, it's just in your family tree. Instead of the truth which is your lazy fat indulgent ass passed it on to your kid, not your parents or their parents..."you" passed it to your kid. Called epigenetics.
 
redsamurai said:
^^^This


Now they're saying it's heriditary so when your kid gets it by age 4 or god forbid is born with it, it's just in your family tree. Instead of the truth which is your lazy fat indulgent ass passed it on to your kid, not your parents or their parents..."you" passed it to your kid. Called epigenetics.
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Nice high horse ... FYI Type 1 is hereditary so lets not confuse it. It would be great to believe that all people are just lazy but sorry I don't feel that's the case.

1) Shitty diet education
2) Shitty mass production of food
3) Shitty lobby groups be it pharma or agro grains etc influencing government to continue 1 and 2
4) People need to see that food specifically simple starches mass produced crap can produce some extremely powerful chemical response in peoples bodies and brain much like drugs.

With #4 I am not saying people don't have power over these responses it goes back to #1 and understanding what different foods do for you be it good or bad.
 
sorry qt it's not heriditary in the sense that it's been lurking in your family tree and so sorry but you were born with it. It's the result of at least one generation of very poor lifestyle choices that you pass on to your kid. That's why people can smoke their entire lives and not get lung cancer but they're children can get it by the time they're in their 20's without ever having touched a cigarrette. And it's completely reversible....but they won't tell you that.
 
Down to 235lbs from 250lbs at New Years. Been running most of my morning fasted until 11am or 12pm. Morning cardio and workouts start with some CJC-1295 and HGH Frag 176-191. Still got a ways to go, will probably be the leanness I like at around 200lbs. Traps are coming back. View attachment 101283
 
Captain FT said:
Down to 235lbs from 250lbs at New Years. Been running most of my morning fasted until 11am or 12pm. Morning cardio and workouts start with some CJC-1295 and HGH Frag 176-191. Still got a ways to go, will probably be the leanness I like at around 200lbs. Traps are coming back. View attachment 101283
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Great stuff! I might give it a go. I ran alot last year to see if the lower weight helps my cholesterol (and I was a fatass).
 
EnderJE said:
Great stuff! I might give it a go. I ran alot last year to see if the lower weight helps my cholesterol (and I was a fatass).
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Thx bro.

Crazy thing is this is all food and peptides, basically rid myself of supplements with the exception of protein powder. Amazing what tightening up your diet will do, getting rid of dairy and grains.
 
I'm about to become a sandal wearing paleo fag.
My diet is atrocious and I need some sort of structure.

Today as an example,
1/2 pack of bacon, fried shrimp and oysters, 1/3 pint of Ben and Jerry's half baked ice cream, a pear.

As awesome as this was I know it's fucking up my perfomance.
 
SouthernLord said:
I'm about to become a sandal wearing paleo fag.
My diet is atrocious and I need some sort of structure.

Today as an example,
1/2 pack of bacon, fried shrimp and oysters, 1/3 pint of Ben and Jerry's half baked ice cream, a pear.

As awesome as this was I know it's fucking up my perfomance.
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what a fucking mess
 
Did paleo for a while. Meh. Doing more gluten free now. I eat a shitload of rice, which is awesome. I think as long as you stay away from gluten you'll feel/look/perform better.

Been doing IF for near 2 years now. Think a few folks blasted me on here when I first mentioned it. Best decision I ever made.
 
75th said:
I eat a shitload of rice, which is awesome.
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Asian people eat rice?

Seriously though, I do brown rice, tubers, quinoa as my complex carbs. Most of those carbs are PWO with mod GRF and Ipamorelin and it's going well.

I don't remember you mentioning IF but probably would have blasted you for it, lol. I do like it though.
 
IF is seriously the shit, homie.

I just started really going gluten free about 3 months ago (after about a year of eating what the fuck ever). Noticed a significant different in bloat, leanness, etc. My issue with paleo was that Im far too lazy to cook veggies the way I like them. I cant eat raw veggies for the life of me, and thus wasnt getting enough carbs. I love getting 350g+ of carbs from rice, fruit, etc.
 
75th said:
IF is seriously the shit, homie.

I just started really going gluten free about 3 months ago (after about a year of eating what the fuck ever). Noticed a significant different in bloat, leanness, etc. My issue with paleo was that Im far too lazy to cook veggies the way I like them. I cant eat raw veggies for the life of me, and thus wasnt getting enough carbs. I love getting 350g+ of carbs from rice, fruit, etc.
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Yeah I wanted to drop fat quickly and did, now I'm doing more carbs PWO but yeah it's tough like you say. Gluten free is def the way to go, really just eliminating dairy and grains makes a huge difference. Good stuff man.
 
I eat white rice everyday. Specifically bacon fried rice. It's my favorite thing ever.
I'm gonna cut the rice and oats at first to see if I feel better. I love sweet potatoes and they'll be my main source of complex cho along with fruit and veggies.

I did IF for a while as well. I got lean as fuck and love the convenience of not eating. It just doesn't work for me as an endurance athlete. Ill do early morning training rides (<50 miles) fasted, but no way would I race fasted or be able to hang on fast group rides on an empty stomach.
 
Visit the Datbtrue forum and read about cellular swell. Hydration+Aminos in the right ratio is the shit during my fasted cardio and lifting sessions.
 
I'm gonna give inject l carn a try using some of the protocols from dat's. I don't really want to run any peps or aas right now. I'm looking forward to see what the l carn is all about.
I do continue to fast on occasion, but nothing structured like a few years back. IF and peps completely transformed my look. If peps weren't so $$$ I'd stay on them all the time.

Everything dat writes is golden.
 
Just picked up 3x 30ml's of L-Carnitine and DBTSwell if you are going through the same guy from the forum. Haven't started the L-Carn yet but heard its magic.
 
And I don't think the price of peps is bad, once you know what you're doing I'd rather do peps over exogenous HGH.
 
Every time i consider peps somebody reminds new that Chinese gh is about the same price...then i go think about nan getting angry anal from her hubby and rub one out.
 
Christ, I'll go over to the body issue forum and read up so I can be on the level with you faggots.

Sheesh
 
lolololol

Real talk though IF is the bees knees. I made the switch about 6 months ago and have never seen better results.
 
Captain FT said:
I switched to a paleo diet after the New Year. So far I like it and haven't really had any carb cravings and surprisingly feel really good during my workouts - I thought i would be pretty lethargic.

Been eating a lot of eggs and uncured bacon for breakfast, tuna and avocado for lunch, dinner usually steak, bison, or chicken with some veggies and snacking on almonds and pistachios throughout the day. No dairy, no grains, no pasta, no potatos.

Assuming most of you know what the paleo diet is, if you don't you can read more here:
Frequently Asked Questions About The Paleo Diet | Dr. Loren Cordain

Why switch?

Last year I read the Paleo Diet for Athletes and found it interesting. I read more about the diet and the studies that have been done and it makes sense to me. I don't think I'll go back knowing now what I know about grain and grain products.

If you've gone Paleo, why did you switch?
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I have that book too. I've been on I guess what you could call some modified sort of Paleo for more than a few years now. very little grains (this means no wheat and GF substitutes like sorghum/tapiocia/rice flours) and no dairy. I do eat Bob's Red Mill GF rolled oats and sweet potatoes, but apart from those, no significant sources of carbs.

Recovering bowel regularity took a minute. You know the hardcore Paleos like to say you don't need fiber. Not sure I agree with that. this diet is also expensive as fuck too.
 
I'm down to 225lbs now. I'm not strict Paleo but not doing most grains. I'll have most of my carbs PWO with my peptides and injectable L-Carnitine but it's in the form of waxy maize.

Nice to see you RW I always did like you.
 
Still have a ways to go to be at the leanness I would like.

Quads started coming back so I'm happy.
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Captain FT said:
I'm down to 225lbs now. I'm not strict Paleo but not doing most grains. I'll have most of my carbs PWO with my peptides and injectable L-Carnitine but it's in the form of waxy maize.

Nice to see you RW I always did like you.
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speaking of injectibles, you can get a pretty decent insulin spike PWO w/o carbs if you are interested in trying. I used to make my own injectibe l-leucine as part of my own protocol. You can check out the Dat board for the recipe if you haven't already. also you might look into highly branced cyclic dextrins.
 
RottenWillow said:
speaking of injectibles, you can get a pretty decent insulin spike PWO w/o carbs if you are interested in trying. I used to make my own injectibe l-leucine as part of my own protocol. You can check out the Dat board for the recipe if you haven't already. also you might look into highly branced cyclic dextrins.
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cool story
 
RottenWillow said:
speaking of injectibles, you can get a pretty decent insulin spike PWO w/o carbs if you are interested in trying. I used to make my own injectibe l-leucine as part of my own protocol. You can check out the Dat board for the recipe if you haven't already. also you might look into highly branced cyclic dextrins.
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Thx I will look for that. I read his board all the time, wealth of knowledge over there.
 
I've been eating paleo since Monday.
So far I've dropped from 17% bodyfat to 6% while gaining 8 pounds of lbm and somehow my penis has grown 6" in length and 4" in girth.
This diet has exceeded all my expectations!
 
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