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anyone belive in the mayan mystery of 2012?
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Please elaborate...sounds interesting.
Please elaborate...sounds interesting.
BO-DEN
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
its easy to find out about . i think its very intresting and would explain alot of world events. the myans believed that just like houses of the moon, or the zodiac the earth changes and that we are in for a polor shift in 2012. they prophesize that there will be more flood,fire, earthquacks and other natual disaster leading up to sort of like a new eden. there is alot of info on it.
the part that really makes me think is how this ancient people could tell you the date of a solor eclipse a thousand years in the future.if they had this knowledge why would they be wrong about other cosmic events.
its easy to find out about . i think its very intresting and would explain alot of world events. the myans believed that just like houses of the moon, or the zodiac the earth changes and that we are in for a polor shift in 2012. they prophesize that there will be more flood,fire, earthquacks and other natual disaster leading up to sort of like a new eden. there is alot of info on it.
the part that really makes me think is how this ancient people could tell you the date of a solor eclipse a thousand years in the future.if they had this knowledge why would they be wrong about other cosmic events.
redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
well, the world is either supposed to completely end in 2012, or we're going to enter a new epoch of human consciousness. They're really not sure which one......lol. I think we either annihilate ourselves or the phrophecy of the eagle and the condor come true. Or 2012 comes and goes just like all the years before it, and humanity slowly continues it's "current" march towards utter uselessness,which is what I'm leaning toward...lol
well, the world is either supposed to completely end in 2012, or we're going to enter a new epoch of human consciousness. They're really not sure which one......lol. I think we either annihilate ourselves or the phrophecy of the eagle and the condor come true. Or 2012 comes and goes just like all the years before it, and humanity slowly continues it's "current" march towards utter uselessness,which is what I'm leaning toward...lol
ponyfitness
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
I believe in the Galaxial alignment theory, which is why we will have increased funky weather and disasters over the next 3 years. It has already started.
I believe in the Galaxial alignment theory, which is why we will have increased funky weather and disasters over the next 3 years. It has already started.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Okay, I'm a practicing pagan, the leader of my tradition is one of the best astrologers in the area and I have it from very good sources that the world is not coming to an end, so relax, don't stockpile shit and don't look to move into a secure bunker in the mountains
Now, about 2012 ... yes, there will be changes, in fact, they began a few years ago, but for about 99.9999% of people this basically means diddly. The changes are energetic and the ripples are going to last for a long, long time but they have to do with us, as a species. Humanity must either self destruct or evolve, we're overdue. Some people are doing things to prevent or resist evolution (kim jong il, the phelps family, anyone who hates homosexuals or non christians or is just an all around greedy asshole, etc., etc., etc.) and others are racing towards it happily (me and the goofballs like me).
Okay, I'm a practicing pagan, the leader of my tradition is one of the best astrologers in the area and I have it from very good sources that the world is not coming to an end, so relax, don't stockpile shit and don't look to move into a secure bunker in the mountains
Now, about 2012 ... yes, there will be changes, in fact, they began a few years ago, but for about 99.9999% of people this basically means diddly. The changes are energetic and the ripples are going to last for a long, long time but they have to do with us, as a species. Humanity must either self destruct or evolve, we're overdue. Some people are doing things to prevent or resist evolution (kim jong il, the phelps family, anyone who hates homosexuals or non christians or is just an all around greedy asshole, etc., etc., etc.) and others are racing towards it happily (me and the goofballs like me).
BO-DEN
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
nasa confirms that there will be an event on the day they phrophesize but since it hasnt happend in 4000 years nasa wont say exactly what will happen.
what is funny to me is that i discoved this "theory" years ago and now it seem pretty common knowledge.
nasa confirms that there will be an event on the day they phrophesize but since it hasnt happend in 4000 years nasa wont say exactly what will happen.
what is funny to me is that i discoved this "theory" years ago and now it seem pretty common knowledge.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
nah..I don't buy anything were people predict future events...
Human beings cannot predict future events PERIOD
nah..I don't buy anything were people predict future events...
Human beings cannot predict future events PERIOD
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redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
By 2014 I'd better be able to shoot lightning bolts and/or monkeys out of my ass..............I'm going to be very cross with the universe if this doesn't come to be.....
By 2014 I'd better be able to shoot lightning bolts and/or monkeys out of my ass..............I'm going to be very cross with the universe if this doesn't come to be.....
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jnevin
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
It's best left up to crystals, zombie carpenters, planetary alignments, and any other mythical being that speaks through people?
It's best left up to crystals, zombie carpenters, planetary alignments, and any other mythical being that speaks through people?
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
If you want to stress yourself over it, knock your socks off. If there are floods, fires, storms, asteroids, ain't shit we can do about it anyway.
As for myself, I can tell you exactly where I'll be on that date, because that's when our tradition has scheduled the next Between The Worlds conference in Wilmington, DE. Since Dec. 21, 2012 is a Friday night, we'll probably be at the Gala (unless they hold the main ritual that night).
The calendar just ends, I don't remember them prophysizing anything about death, doom and destruction. 12/21/2012 is the End of the Mayan calendar and when our planet returns to galactic central.
If you want to stress yourself over it, knock your socks off. If there are floods, fires, storms, asteroids, ain't shit we can do about it anyway.
As for myself, I can tell you exactly where I'll be on that date, because that's when our tradition has scheduled the next Between The Worlds conference in Wilmington, DE. Since Dec. 21, 2012 is a Friday night, we'll probably be at the Gala (unless they hold the main ritual that night).
jnevin
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redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
astrological data and mathematics. That and the fact that's it's been stopping by for a chit chat every 75 years on the money for what, the last couple thousand years...
astrological data and mathematics. That and the fact that's it's been stopping by for a chit chat every 75 years on the money for what, the last couple thousand years...
BO-DEN
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
yeah we have the tech to predict soloar/lunar eclipse, constilations all types of events that happen in the galaxy.
and the myans had a calendar to tell them the cosmic weather.
yeah we have the tech to predict soloar/lunar eclipse, constilations all types of events that happen in the galaxy.
and the myans had a calendar to tell them the cosmic weather.
redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
I honestly beleive those ancient cultures had something else going on. I understand they were great mathematicians, but c'mon........they were getting some outside information from somewhere. No way just by looking up at the sky with a sexton or something to the like, do they make such accurate cosmic predictions. These were people "supposedly" not too far removed from the caves, if we allow for the story of human history to be as it has been presented. I think somewhere along the line we've been fed a serious line of feces.
I honestly beleive those ancient cultures had something else going on. I understand they were great mathematicians, but c'mon........they were getting some outside information from somewhere. No way just by looking up at the sky with a sexton or something to the like, do they make such accurate cosmic predictions. These were people "supposedly" not too far removed from the caves, if we allow for the story of human history to be as it has been presented. I think somewhere along the line we've been fed a serious line of feces.
jnevin
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BO-DEN
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
read about the event its all in the translation. definetly mentions polar shift and the effects on the earth.
read about the event its all in the translation. definetly mentions polar shift and the effects on the earth.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
And I'm sorry, but if some of the most highly respected druids, witches, priestesses, astrologers and elders of the entire North American pagan community ain't worrying, I sure as hell ain't worrying.
We have huge floods now, remember that tsunami in 2004? It killed a quarter of a million people. How did that affect you? What about New Orleans?
We have fires, look at California, look at Austrailia.
There are volcanos and earthquakes going off all over the place. But is your life changing? We have natural disasters ALL the time, and they are catastrophic. If you were to relay this information to your extreme ancestors they'd probably think this is a terrible time we're living in. It's just what's happening. The world will not change in the blink of an eye.
And just because it's a certain date thinking that shit is going to start hitting this planet from space is just daft. The fact is, we're long overdue for a biggie, but until we can figure out how to get Bruce Willis up there to set off a nuclear bomb, ain't a whole lot any of us can do about a planet killer so worrying about it is like worrying about your own death. You're not going to prevent it, and you'll only make yourself miserable until it happens.
The poles have shifted before and are in the process of shifting now. It's not some big whoosh, like an earthquake, it's a slow process.
And I'm sorry, but if some of the most highly respected druids, witches, priestesses, astrologers and elders of the entire North American pagan community ain't worrying, I sure as hell ain't worrying.
We have huge floods now, remember that tsunami in 2004? It killed a quarter of a million people. How did that affect you? What about New Orleans?
We have fires, look at California, look at Austrailia.
There are volcanos and earthquakes going off all over the place. But is your life changing? We have natural disasters ALL the time, and they are catastrophic. If you were to relay this information to your extreme ancestors they'd probably think this is a terrible time we're living in. It's just what's happening. The world will not change in the blink of an eye.
And just because it's a certain date thinking that shit is going to start hitting this planet from space is just daft. The fact is, we're long overdue for a biggie, but until we can figure out how to get Bruce Willis up there to set off a nuclear bomb, ain't a whole lot any of us can do about a planet killer so worrying about it is like worrying about your own death. You're not going to prevent it, and you'll only make yourself miserable until it happens.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
that's science
predicting when the world would end - that's superstition
that's science
predicting when the world would end - that's superstition
jnevin
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Being an elder in my tradition isn't something bestowed lightly. You have to earn that bitch. There's about 100+/- people in our tradition now and we have a grand total of 4 elders. Our most recent elder earned his degree when he completed work in addition to acquiring his Masters in comparitive religion. Another of our elders is a college professor and holds at least one masters in fine art.
These people haven't put on a hat and said "Hey, I'm grand high poobah for the fairies of the west." These are successful, well respected, and well educated people.
Why are you so ignorant? Just because you don't understand something, or something is unusual or exotic to you, that makes it invalid and you mock it? Think of what I'm saying this way, while it's not conventional religion, these individuals are as well educated (or more so in some cases) as any Rabbi, Pastor, or Cardinal. In their fields they aren't just good, they are expert.
Being an elder in my tradition isn't something bestowed lightly. You have to earn that bitch. There's about 100+/- people in our tradition now and we have a grand total of 4 elders. Our most recent elder earned his degree when he completed work in addition to acquiring his Masters in comparitive religion. Another of our elders is a college professor and holds at least one masters in fine art.
These people haven't put on a hat and said "Hey, I'm grand high poobah for the fairies of the west." These are successful, well respected, and well educated people.
jnevin
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
To me that's exactly what they are, so sorry. I'm the same way about zombie carpenters, people that think zombie carpenters will save us all, people that think pigs are filthy, etc. Don't be so defensive.
To me that's exactly what they are, so sorry. I'm the same way about zombie carpenters, people that think zombie carpenters will save us all, people that think pigs are filthy, etc. Don't be so defensive.
digimon7068
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
do i believe that an extinct race of peyote smoking, human sacrificing, dipshits could predict the future?? they weren't even smart enough to figure out a way to stay around long enough to see the end of their own damn calendar. . .ummm. . .yeah. . .i don't think so. . .
do i believe that an extinct race of peyote smoking, human sacrificing, dipshits could predict the future?? they weren't even smart enough to figure out a way to stay around long enough to see the end of their own damn calendar. . .ummm. . .yeah. . .i don't think so. . .
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
All pagans get lumped into the "Cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" and that's an insult. That's like saying all Christians are hypocritical asshats.
I've been on this board for four years now. You've read my posts. I don't doubt that my beliefs are unusual to you, but be honest here, do I seem like a fucking idiot? Do you think that maybe I'm intelligent enough to make logical decisions and perhaps have very good reasons for believing what I do (not to mention having the guts to put it out the for potential derision)? What pisses me off is that because my beliefs aren't mainstream, it's acceptable to mock them, and indirectly, me. My point is, I don't give a flying fuck if you don't understand them but at least give me the courtesy of not mocking them more than you would mock any religion.
I'm defensive because I run into this type of ignorance all the time. Even atheists will have more respect for something "Rabbi so and so" or "Archbishop yadda yadda" says about some esoteric matter. They have recognizable books and big buildings and have been badmouthing us for centuries, so automatically they're more credible than if the same thing were said by an elder in a pagan tradition. That's ignorance and bigotry, short and sweet.
All pagans get lumped into the "Cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" and that's an insult. That's like saying all Christians are hypocritical asshats.
I've been on this board for four years now. You've read my posts. I don't doubt that my beliefs are unusual to you, but be honest here, do I seem like a fucking idiot? Do you think that maybe I'm intelligent enough to make logical decisions and perhaps have very good reasons for believing what I do (not to mention having the guts to put it out the for potential derision)? What pisses me off is that because my beliefs aren't mainstream, it's acceptable to mock them, and indirectly, me. My point is, I don't give a flying fuck if you don't understand them but at least give me the courtesy of not mocking them more than you would mock any religion.
PICK3
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Nice word ... can I use it?
Will it help me score teh poon?
Main Entry: es·o·ter·ic
Pronunciation: \ˌe-sə-ˈter-ik, -ˈte-rik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin esotericus, from Greek esōterikos, from esōterō, comparative of eisō, esō within, from eis into; akin to Greek en in — more at in
Date: circa 1660
1 a: designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone <a body of esoteric legal doctrine — B. N. Cardozo> b: requiring or exhibiting knowledge that is restricted to a small group <esoteric terminology> ; broadly : difficult to understand <esoteric subjects>
2 a: limited to a small circle <engaging in esoteric pursuits> b: private, confidential <an esoteric purpose>
3: of special, rare, or unusual interest <esoteric building materials>
— es·o·ter·i·cal·ly \-i-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
Nice word ... can I use it?
Will it help me score teh poon?
Main Entry: es·o·ter·ic
Pronunciation: \ˌe-sə-ˈter-ik, -ˈte-rik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin esotericus, from Greek esōterikos, from esōterō, comparative of eisō, esō within, from eis into; akin to Greek en in — more at in
Date: circa 1660
1 a: designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone <a body of esoteric legal doctrine — B. N. Cardozo> b: requiring or exhibiting knowledge that is restricted to a small group <esoteric terminology> ; broadly : difficult to understand <esoteric subjects>
2 a: limited to a small circle <engaging in esoteric pursuits> b: private, confidential <an esoteric purpose>
3: of special, rare, or unusual interest <esoteric building materials>
— es·o·ter·i·cal·ly \-i-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
jnevin
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
I do mock every religion. You give karma when I do but get butthurt when I say I think rocks and crystals are as stupid as a guy parting a sea so some slaves can cross.
I do mock every religion. You give karma when I do but get butthurt when I say I think rocks and crystals are as stupid as a guy parting a sea so some slaves can cross.
jnevin
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
You have a number of times. I can only find one since we can't go back and see out whole K history anymore.
You have a number of times. I can only find one since we can't go back and see out whole K history anymore.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
If the Mayan prophesy is true, I wish someone would just tell us, so I could go on a three years spending spree with my retirement savings.
Still, I hope it's true, this world is ready for a good purging. Everything is corrupt now.
If the Mayan prophesy is true, I wish someone would just tell us, so I could go on a three years spending spree with my retirement savings.
Still, I hope it's true, this world is ready for a good purging. Everything is corrupt now.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Holyshit. How would you... 16-Apr-2009 08:26 PM jnevin Popejebus K for making my hubby laugh!!!
You were referring to Mel Gibson, BTW.
Funny, I can only find one, as well, and I don't see it as mocking other religions so much. See I'm not a big karma giving away type person, I have a tendency more to purge it periodically. But here's the hit (I don't have time to play screen capture). What you said made my husband laugh:
Holyshit. How would you... 16-Apr-2009 08:26 PM jnevin Popejebus K for making my hubby laugh!!!
You were referring to Mel Gibson, BTW.
digimon7068
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
i guess my question is. . .if they were so friggin' gifted, why weren't they able to predict their own demise?? imho, their calendar kinda loses some of it's punch upon their extinction. . .doesn't really have anything to do with their beliefs. . .it's like people that claim to be able to see the future. . .yeah. . .ummm. . .gimme the powerball numbers or shut up, m'kay??
i guess my question is. . .if they were so friggin' gifted, why weren't they able to predict their own demise?? imho, their calendar kinda loses some of it's punch upon their extinction. . .doesn't really have anything to do with their beliefs. . .it's like people that claim to be able to see the future. . .yeah. . .ummm. . .gimme the powerball numbers or shut up, m'kay??
redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
all great civilizations seem destined for this. Rome, Greece, the Persians etc, etc. The mayans weren't a "specific" race, they were just a nation of various ethnicities. I think they were all descendants from the asian migration which came down from the north through Canada, what is now the U.S and mexico. From what I understand they still really don't know why the Mayan civilizaton dissolved. There are still mayans running around in south america though.....the DNA still exists, but the civilization is gone.
all great civilizations seem destined for this. Rome, Greece, the Persians etc, etc. The mayans weren't a "specific" race, they were just a nation of various ethnicities. I think they were all descendants from the asian migration which came down from the north through Canada, what is now the U.S and mexico. From what I understand they still really don't know why the Mayan civilizaton dissolved. There are still mayans running around in south america though.....the DNA still exists, but the civilization is gone.
chris302001
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
We should probably toss a virgin into a volcano just to make sure nothing bad happens.
We should probably toss a virgin into a volcano just to make sure nothing bad happens.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
As for the Mayans, whose to know they didn't foresee their own demise but realized there wasn't a thing they could do to stop it? When you have a more cyclical view of things (which most ancient peoples did), as opposed to the more linear way we view things, you sort of have a tendency to roll with the punches. Civilizations have come and gone, before, they'll come and go again.
That sort of echos a discussion I like to bring up when I've got enough pagans in the same room, "why can't we hold a ritual to hit the superball?" Supposedly it falls under the rules of free will and ethics, basically, just because you can do something, does that mean you have the right to?
As for the Mayans, whose to know they didn't foresee their own demise but realized there wasn't a thing they could do to stop it? When you have a more cyclical view of things (which most ancient peoples did), as opposed to the more linear way we view things, you sort of have a tendency to roll with the punches. Civilizations have come and gone, before, they'll come and go again.
chris302001
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
It's really just my plan to get rid of razorguns.
It's really just my plan to get rid of razorguns.
myway
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
This is like what I was trying to say ....... but I was 2lazy to type it out. So thanx and AGREED.
Okay, I'm a practicing pagan, the leader of my tradition is one of the best astrologers in the area and I have it from very good sources that the world is not coming to an end, so relax, don't stockpile shit and don't look to move into a secure bunker in the mountains
Now, about 2012 ... yes, there will be changes, in fact, they began a few years ago, but for about 99.9999% of people this basically means diddly. The changes are energetic and the ripples are going to last for a long, long time but they have to do with us, as a species. Humanity must either self destruct or evolve, we're overdue. Some people are doing things to prevent or resist evolution (kim jong il, the phelps family, anyone who hates homosexuals or non christians or is just an all around greedy asshole, etc., etc., etc.) and others are racing towards it happily (me and the goofballs like me).
This is like what I was trying to say ....... but I was 2lazy to type it out. So thanx and AGREED.
myway
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Agreed, again. But Katrina sucked for me. Went with work. The bug bites alone made it appear as some describe "hell". Plus, the job sucked,2.
Agreed, again. But Katrina sucked for me. Went with work. The bug bites alone made it appear as some describe "hell". Plus, the job sucked,2.
redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
UFO is too busy trying to build an anti grav machine in his basement..(this is true by the way, just ask him)
and java will be of no use because his starfleet manuals are bereft of any mention of such an event.........
UFO is too busy trying to build an anti grav machine in his basement..(this is true by the way, just ask him)
and java will be of no use because his starfleet manuals are bereft of any mention of such an event.........
digimon7068
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
all i'm saying is. . .imho, NO ONE can predict the future. . .not even some stupid, little, meaningless event. . .period.
also, what gives them the right to tell anyone that the world is going to end. . .i mean, if anyone actually believed them, the shit that would hit the fan because of me winning the powerball (and i assure you it would be a SIGNIFICANT amount of shit) would pale in comparison to the worldwide pandemonium.
to heck with the powerball. . .just tell me when the dang market is going to come back and i'll make my multi-millions over time instead of all at once. . .i'm not greedy
all i'm saying is. . .imho, NO ONE can predict the future. . .not even some stupid, little, meaningless event. . .period.
also, what gives them the right to tell anyone that the world is going to end. . .i mean, if anyone actually believed them, the shit that would hit the fan because of me winning the powerball (and i assure you it would be a SIGNIFICANT amount of shit) would pale in comparison to the worldwide pandemonium.
to heck with the powerball. . .just tell me when the dang market is going to come back and i'll make my multi-millions over time instead of all at once. . .i'm not greedy
broonzy
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
I don't know if I believe or not. A lot of the theories of what will happen in 2012 have to do with this "Planet X" which apparently has either a 3600 or 2148 year orbit around the sun, depending on who you listen to. My thought is if this planet did exist and the orbit was that big, and it was scheduled to pass by earth in 3 years, it should be close enough to be able to see or detect it by now.
So my guess is Planet X does not exist.
But there are still a lot of interesting facts about this mystery. For some reason, all of these tribes or civilizations, have the same date of 2012 for some major event to occur.
Hopi Predict a 25yr period of purification followed by End of Fourth World and beginning of the Fifth.
Mayans Call it the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it.
Maoris Say that as the veils dissolve there will be a merging of the physical & spiritual worlds.
Zulu Believe that the whole world will be turned upside down.
Hindus Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
Incas Call it the 'Age of Meeting Ourselves Again'.
Aztec Call this the Time of the Sixth Sun. A time of transformation. Creation of new race.
Dogon Say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star
Pueblo Acknowledge it'll be the emergence into the Fifth World
Cherokee Their ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012 as does the Mayan calendar.
Tibetan Kalachakra teachings are prophesies left by Buddha predicting Coming of the Golden Age.
Egypt According to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), present time cycle ends in year 2012 AD
I can't wait for the bookie thread on this!
I don't know if I believe or not. A lot of the theories of what will happen in 2012 have to do with this "Planet X" which apparently has either a 3600 or 2148 year orbit around the sun, depending on who you listen to. My thought is if this planet did exist and the orbit was that big, and it was scheduled to pass by earth in 3 years, it should be close enough to be able to see or detect it by now.
So my guess is Planet X does not exist.
But there are still a lot of interesting facts about this mystery. For some reason, all of these tribes or civilizations, have the same date of 2012 for some major event to occur.
Hopi Predict a 25yr period of purification followed by End of Fourth World and beginning of the Fifth.
Mayans Call it the 'end days' or the end of time as we know it.
Maoris Say that as the veils dissolve there will be a merging of the physical & spiritual worlds.
Zulu Believe that the whole world will be turned upside down.
Hindus Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
Incas Call it the 'Age of Meeting Ourselves Again'.
Aztec Call this the Time of the Sixth Sun. A time of transformation. Creation of new race.
Dogon Say that the spaceship of the visitors, the Nommo, will return in the form of a blue star
Pueblo Acknowledge it'll be the emergence into the Fifth World
Cherokee Their ancient calendar ends exactly at 2012 as does the Mayan calendar.
Tibetan Kalachakra teachings are prophesies left by Buddha predicting Coming of the Golden Age.
Egypt According to the Great Pyramid (stone calendar), present time cycle ends in year 2012 AD
I can't wait for the bookie thread on this!
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Mayan''s understood this... their logos of knowledge was not the same as ours, theirs was more based on synchrony rather than cause and effect.
Read 2012 Possibility and Prophecy.... 13 different authors... Gregg Braden, I believe is the chief author.
Well Written, and is a plethora of Academic Work that is based on Axioms... that definitely 'Sound' True.
Jose Arguelles is an expert, well the expert on mayan prophecy, and not some bullshit historical narrative... either. He understands at the subtle, experiential level how time is not a measurement device that is static.
Mayan''s understood this... their logos of knowledge was not the same as ours, theirs was more based on synchrony rather than cause and effect.
Read 2012 Possibility and Prophecy.... 13 different authors... Gregg Braden, I believe is the chief author.
Well Written, and is a plethora of Academic Work that is based on Axioms... that definitely 'Sound' True.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
Another interpretation of Kali Yuga is "Age of Darkness." A yuga is an age or a cycle. Hinduism considers the current times an era of "spiritual decline." Kalki is, depending on which interpretation you select, either the avatar of or the tenth incarnation of Vishnu, who is predicted to come at the end of the Kali Yuga to lead humanity into the Golden Age. Vishnu is the Hindu god who is the preserver of worlds. I don't see that in any way as bad. I see that saying our species, our planet, is moving out of a spiritually bereft time into a better time spiritually.
You really have to be careful when you read stuff like this. If you're not familiar with the language and the culture you can get mired up pretty quickly.
Those are pretty interesting, but you need to remember that for the ones that sound scary, you're dealing with semantics, the others aren't saying death/doom/destruction, they're saying we're coming to an end of a cycle. Let me take one that I'm a little more familiar with:
Kali Yuga (end time of man). The Coming of Kalki & critical mass of Enlightened Ones.
Another interpretation of Kali Yuga is "Age of Darkness." A yuga is an age or a cycle. Hinduism considers the current times an era of "spiritual decline." Kalki is, depending on which interpretation you select, either the avatar of or the tenth incarnation of Vishnu, who is predicted to come at the end of the Kali Yuga to lead humanity into the Golden Age. Vishnu is the Hindu god who is the preserver of worlds. I don't see that in any way as bad. I see that saying our species, our planet, is moving out of a spiritually bereft time into a better time spiritually.
You really have to be careful when you read stuff like this. If you're not familiar with the language and the culture you can get mired up pretty quickly.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
But just for the sake of discussion, let's say I once had access to the world's best magickal crystal ball and let's say I actually asked it the powerball question. The basic answer would probably come back, in short "In the scheme of things, those stupid green pieces of paper do not matter any more than those stupid green dots do on EliteFitness." You will not be a better person, a more loving father, a more considerate husband if you are rich. You might think you will be, but the reality is you will change, your wife will change, your children will change, and it won't be for the better, it never is.
From a spiritual perspective (and if your getting into any form of divination you are on spiritual ground whether you admit it or not, by the simple fact that you're dealing with supernatural or paranormal) your true life is so much more than 80 or so odd years on this dungball. Believe me, 200 million dollars really is just a bunch of green pieces of paper. It's the equivalent to whatever favorite stuffed toy or blanket you had when you were 2. You sobbed your eyes out when mommy took it away to wash it, but where is it now? Money is only worth what it can buy, and it cannot buy the things that truly matter, from a spiritual perspective: an open heart, trust, compassion, grace, love. All that raises humanity to its greatest heights costs nothing and is accessible to the least of us. Prayer, meditation, a good heart, loving your friends and family, all of those things are free.
And it's been my observation that if you hold those ideals in your heart, you will never be in a state of want or lack. You may never be rich, but by the same token the universe will see you are taken care of.
Here's the thing with the future, it's not written in stone, there are variables and the farther away you get from the point of the "here and now" (despite the fact that time is as much an illusion as matter is) the more variables that come into play. Obviously, just from the sake of common sense, it's easier to make a prediction about what's going to happen tomorrow than it is to make a prediction about what's going to happen in 100 or 500 years.all i'm saying is. . .imho, NO ONE can predict the future. . .not even some stupid, little, meaningless event. . .period.
also, what gives them the right to tell anyone that the world is going to end. . .i mean, if anyone actually believed them, the shit that would hit the fan because of me winning the powerball (and i assure you it would be a SIGNIFICANT amount of shit) would pale in comparison to the worldwide pandemonium.
to heck with the powerball. . .just tell me when the dang market is going to come back and i'll make my multi-millions over time instead of all at once. . .i'm not greedy
But just for the sake of discussion, let's say I once had access to the world's best magickal crystal ball and let's say I actually asked it the powerball question. The basic answer would probably come back, in short "In the scheme of things, those stupid green pieces of paper do not matter any more than those stupid green dots do on EliteFitness." You will not be a better person, a more loving father, a more considerate husband if you are rich. You might think you will be, but the reality is you will change, your wife will change, your children will change, and it won't be for the better, it never is.
From a spiritual perspective (and if your getting into any form of divination you are on spiritual ground whether you admit it or not, by the simple fact that you're dealing with supernatural or paranormal) your true life is so much more than 80 or so odd years on this dungball. Believe me, 200 million dollars really is just a bunch of green pieces of paper. It's the equivalent to whatever favorite stuffed toy or blanket you had when you were 2. You sobbed your eyes out when mommy took it away to wash it, but where is it now? Money is only worth what it can buy, and it cannot buy the things that truly matter, from a spiritual perspective: an open heart, trust, compassion, grace, love. All that raises humanity to its greatest heights costs nothing and is accessible to the least of us. Prayer, meditation, a good heart, loving your friends and family, all of those things are free.
And it's been my observation that if you hold those ideals in your heart, you will never be in a state of want or lack. You may never be rich, but by the same token the universe will see you are taken care of.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Kali Yuga... sux to be us.
Shiva is gonna do his thing..LOL
Hey MM, gotta question for ya... check your profile page.
Kali Yuga... sux to be us.
Shiva is gonna do his thing..LOL
Hey MM, gotta question for ya... check your profile page.
digimon7068
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
so basically, you're holding out on me on account of you know what's best for me. . .thanks. . .mom
so basically, you're holding out on me on account of you know what's best for me. . .thanks. . .mom
redsamurai
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
in terms of the changeover of the mind that they talk about, I can already see it happening. People, especially the educated ones who get some sense of the world and OF THEMSELVES, seem to moving away from the indoctrinating theologies. It's a shame to see some of those people cross over into abject apathy, atheism........but even that seems to be better than what's going on now. The established powers that be in this world will not tolerate that however. As we become free-er in our minds, we become less controllable.....and this will not do for the entities that direct the goings on of this world. They say we're already in ww3.......but that there wont' be a single bullet fired (which I don't beleive). Those people think that ww3 has been going on now for awhile, and it's a war for the soul of man........who knows. I do know that I can see the resistance to this change, change we "desperately" need. There are people who do not want things to change because it would upset their power base.
in terms of the changeover of the mind that they talk about, I can already see it happening. People, especially the educated ones who get some sense of the world and OF THEMSELVES, seem to moving away from the indoctrinating theologies. It's a shame to see some of those people cross over into abject apathy, atheism........but even that seems to be better than what's going on now. The established powers that be in this world will not tolerate that however. As we become free-er in our minds, we become less controllable.....and this will not do for the entities that direct the goings on of this world. They say we're already in ww3.......but that there wont' be a single bullet fired (which I don't beleive). Those people think that ww3 has been going on now for awhile, and it's a war for the soul of man........who knows.
I do know that I can see the resistance to this change, change we "desperately" need. There are people who do not want things to change because it would upset their power base.
martineznation
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
something is going to happen on that date...thats for sure look at the science behind it, on that date the sun is supposed to act up...solar flares or sum crap like that...=)...but who really knows gonna be a trip how people are going to behave leading up to it..
something is going to happen on that date...thats for sure look at the science behind it, on that date the sun is supposed to act up...solar flares or sum crap like that...=)...but who really knows gonna be a trip how people are going to behave leading up to it..
chris302001
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
please point said science out to me.
please point said science out to me.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Just cause he's came off as stupid... I know it's not really important say, tween our friendship... it's not a matter of belief...
Just way too much multidimensional methods that are in correlation with the mayan suggestion that time is not static, and we are in for a huge transition...
U&I will be fine, trust me. However, things will change, and it will happen on a a monumental level.... it will be interpreted at first in a standardized way, but the changes will happen on a much 'deeper' level that work their way into culture in a quick and obfuscated manner... a la tipping point wise.
All the Earth topographical data that correlates is not my domain, I know very little about.
Just cause he's came off as stupid... I know it's not really important say, tween our friendship... it's not a matter of belief...
Just way too much multidimensional methods that are in correlation with the mayan suggestion that time is not static, and we are in for a huge transition...
U&I will be fine, trust me. However, things will change, and it will happen on a a monumental level.... it will be interpreted at first in a standardized way, but the changes will happen on a much 'deeper' level that work their way into culture in a quick and obfuscated manner... a la tipping point wise.
All the Earth topographical data that correlates is not my domain, I know very little about.
chris302001
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
lol I didnt say that there couldn't be something that's going to happen, I just dont like it when people throw the word science around like its table salt.
lol I didnt say that there couldn't be something that's going to happen, I just dont like it when people throw the word science around like its table salt.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Eh, it's a board full of meatheads. Sometimes stereotypes aren't an entirely untrue generalization.
Between threads like this and, e.g., ghost threads, I often find myself at a loss for words.
Eh, it's a board full of meatheads. Sometimes stereotypes aren't an entirely untrue generalization.
Between threads like this and, e.g., ghost threads, I often find myself at a loss for words.
Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
I want you to give something careful consideration. I don't want to discuss it further than this, I just merely want to give you some food for thought.
Many, if not most animals and insects have senses that make our five senses seem virtually useless. A shark can feel it's prey along its skin, snakes taste scent and feel the tiniest of vibrations along the ground, a dog can smell the fact someone's foot has touched a place on the ground, can hear a dog whistle pratically across a football field, a cat's sense of hearing and smell are nearly as good as a dogs and additionally it can see in conditions of virtual darkness and leap five times it's own height straight up into the air, insects smell pheremones from great distances, have multifaceted eyes that see in nearly 360 degrees and are capable of visualizing colors beyond our ability to see, it's been conjectured that cetaceans can hear songs of other pods across an entire ocean.
Now, I want you to consider the autistic savant, a person who can hear a highly complicated piece of piano music and repeat that, perfectly, with no musical training, a person who is capable of incredible feats of memory or mathematical skills or creating pieces of art of stunning perfection.
Why am I bringing these issues up? Because, I'm telling you, science doesn't UNDERSTAND everything. If you can't yank it out, dissect it, examine it and test it to exhaustion then, in the world of science, it doesn't exist, that's how empirical science exists. But science doesn't even come close to understanding quantum particles and it CANNOT explain how some autistic person can play all the works of Beethoven without having had piano lesson one. They can conjecture, they've got ideas, but they do not truly understand how it works.
And there are other things I'm not even bringing up that leave human scientists scratching their heads. Cancers that just, for no apparent reason, spontaneously remit, blind people who have the ability to sense diffent colors through touch or even read printed type. This stuff and a lot weirder, exists.
So allow yourself, just for even a minute to consider the possibility that, in the words of Shakespeare, "There are more things in heaven and earth, horatio, than are dreamt of in your books."
Science cannot duplicate nature, if it could, people could just walk around with hand held sniffers that would smell cocaine or bombs. No machine exists that can out sniff a dog as quickly or as efficiently, short and sweet.
No computer can outperform even an "average" human brain.
Just HOW many dimensions does Hawkins think there may be? 11? Can you tell me what 11 dimensions look like or how they operate?
Well, what if some brains have some odd parts of them turned on, like the savants who can play a piece of music perfectly after one listening, but this part of their brain senses energy (like that shark skin sensing it's prey) and enables them to perceive dimensions that the average person doesn't. Does that mean that what they are perceiving is not real? Of course, in the empiric world since they haven't proven it, then it doesn't. In my world, if that person is otherwise rational and intelligent, until I have something presented to me that forces me to believe they are lying to me, I give them the benefit of the doubt. If a person is a liar, or delusional, sooner or later you encounter evidence of that behavior (which is why a judge will only accept the testimony of a person who has been proven to be dishonest with extreme skepticism).
I'm not saying wholeheartedly accept things, I'm just saying would it kill you to consider the possibility? Just because the part of your brain doesn't work that could perceive shit beyond your puny five senses, why must you insist that's the world everyone lives in?
Samoth, I respect you, really I do, however, I have no respect for narrow minded refusal to accept even the potential for something, in this case, a spirituality or psychic phenomenon, to exist.Eh, it's a board full of meatheads. Sometimes stereotypes aren't an entirely untrue generalization.
Between threads like this and, e.g., ghost threads, I often find myself at a loss for words.
I want you to give something careful consideration. I don't want to discuss it further than this, I just merely want to give you some food for thought.
Many, if not most animals and insects have senses that make our five senses seem virtually useless. A shark can feel it's prey along its skin, snakes taste scent and feel the tiniest of vibrations along the ground, a dog can smell the fact someone's foot has touched a place on the ground, can hear a dog whistle pratically across a football field, a cat's sense of hearing and smell are nearly as good as a dogs and additionally it can see in conditions of virtual darkness and leap five times it's own height straight up into the air, insects smell pheremones from great distances, have multifaceted eyes that see in nearly 360 degrees and are capable of visualizing colors beyond our ability to see, it's been conjectured that cetaceans can hear songs of other pods across an entire ocean.
Now, I want you to consider the autistic savant, a person who can hear a highly complicated piece of piano music and repeat that, perfectly, with no musical training, a person who is capable of incredible feats of memory or mathematical skills or creating pieces of art of stunning perfection.
Why am I bringing these issues up? Because, I'm telling you, science doesn't UNDERSTAND everything. If you can't yank it out, dissect it, examine it and test it to exhaustion then, in the world of science, it doesn't exist, that's how empirical science exists. But science doesn't even come close to understanding quantum particles and it CANNOT explain how some autistic person can play all the works of Beethoven without having had piano lesson one. They can conjecture, they've got ideas, but they do not truly understand how it works.
And there are other things I'm not even bringing up that leave human scientists scratching their heads. Cancers that just, for no apparent reason, spontaneously remit, blind people who have the ability to sense diffent colors through touch or even read printed type. This stuff and a lot weirder, exists.
So allow yourself, just for even a minute to consider the possibility that, in the words of Shakespeare, "There are more things in heaven and earth, horatio, than are dreamt of in your books."
Science cannot duplicate nature, if it could, people could just walk around with hand held sniffers that would smell cocaine or bombs. No machine exists that can out sniff a dog as quickly or as efficiently, short and sweet.
No computer can outperform even an "average" human brain.
Just HOW many dimensions does Hawkins think there may be? 11? Can you tell me what 11 dimensions look like or how they operate?
Well, what if some brains have some odd parts of them turned on, like the savants who can play a piece of music perfectly after one listening, but this part of their brain senses energy (like that shark skin sensing it's prey) and enables them to perceive dimensions that the average person doesn't. Does that mean that what they are perceiving is not real? Of course, in the empiric world since they haven't proven it, then it doesn't. In my world, if that person is otherwise rational and intelligent, until I have something presented to me that forces me to believe they are lying to me, I give them the benefit of the doubt. If a person is a liar, or delusional, sooner or later you encounter evidence of that behavior (which is why a judge will only accept the testimony of a person who has been proven to be dishonest with extreme skepticism).
I'm not saying wholeheartedly accept things, I'm just saying would it kill you to consider the possibility? Just because the part of your brain doesn't work that could perceive shit beyond your puny five senses, why must you insist that's the world everyone lives in?
broonzy
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Re: anyone belive in the myan mystery of 2012?
Shit that was an awesome post! K to you.
Shit that was an awesome post! K to you.
Well then, the best way to prevent Armageddon is to eliminate Christianity!
What about Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan etc...?
That statement comes off as you dislike all Christians, OR I misunderstood the quote your referring too. If thats the case my bad
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