Another Misconception About Primo

[Nelson Montana]

Something that isn't often mentioned is the androgenic effect of Primo. People seem to think it's virtually androgen free and therefore non supressive. Not so.

I don't have complete faith in the accuracy of those ratios, but going with the standard reasoning, let's look at exactly what Primo is.

It has a 9:1 ratio which roughly means it' 9 times more anabolic than androgenic. Using testosterone as the 100/100 gauge (meaning it's pure androgen and 100% anabolic) it's an estimate to say that Primo is 90% as anabolic as testosterone but only 10% as androgenic. Then again, I've seen the ratio as high as 44% androgenic. I question it all... but stick with me for a minute.

PRIMOBOLAN WILL RAISE T LEVELS! I've seen it happen first hand. You can even go as far as saying that if Primo is 25% a androgenic as testosterone. (I'm using a "compromise number since nothing is et in stone). Then 400 mgs will equal 100 mgs of test. And if you think about it, the increaed anabolism, (which is virtually harmles0 is a REALLY NICE BONUS.

FOr HRT purpoes, I'd say 100 mgs of T and 200 mg of Primo would be a very attractive protocol which can be implimented non stop with little to no side effects except more muscle and less fat. And you may even need LESS anti-e because Primo acts a a mild anti-e. I'd say just a nattu combo like POST CYCLE and Sustain would be enough in most cases.

PRIMOBOLAN...is there anything it isn't good for?

 

[needtogetaas]

Mind explaining to the masses that primo is (not a dht). People seem to be getting this confused.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Mind explaining to the masses that primo is (not a dht). People seem to be getting this confused.

It's DERIVED from DHT, jut as all steroids are derived from the testosterone molecule. But the body doesn't recognize it as straight DHT, nor does it respond as it would to something like Proviron, Winstrol or Mast -- though obviously since it can't aromatize, the results are similar -- clean dry gains.

 

[KeepinMyGains]

Nelson do you typically run Primo only cycles?

 

[needtogetaas]

It's DERIVED from DHT, jut as all steroids are derived from the testosterone molecule. But the body doesn't recognize it as straight DHT, nor does it respond as it would to something like Proviron, Winstrol or Mast -- though obviously since it can't aromatize, the results are similar -- clean dry gains.

exactly

 

[SuperStrong]

how long do you think one can one stay on a Primo cycle
(maybe 400mg/wk) w/ low test (250/wk) dose for bodybuilding purposes?

 

[enacer420nj]

how long do you think one can one stay on a Primo cycle
(maybe 400mg/wk) w/ low test (250/wk) dose for bodybuilding purposes?

Ive been on 13 weeks of 480mg schering primo and 300 test a few weeks ago I added anavar and ended up liking 70mg ED and threw in 50mg test prop M W F along with my test cyp/primo shots Im going to stay on a few more weeks but primo is the shit. It requires alot of protein being that its so anabolic

 

[Nelson Montana]

how long do you think one can one stay on a Primo cycle
(maybe 400mg/wk) w/ low test (250/wk) dose for bodybuilding purposes?

As mentioned, it's still an androgen and it will still suppress. It's a clean drug so there are fewer ides, but HPTA shut down will eventually happen. At the doses you're talking about, you may be able to go a little longer but everyone is different in regard to how long it takes to cause hutdown.

Keepin: I don't run any cycles since I'm on HRT. It's all speculative at this point. But I've dabbled with low doses with just about everything. (Never did a cycle over 600 total mgs and never did a cycle over 10 weeks). I just found Primo and test to make the most sense and that's all I did up until I went on HRT.

 

[whatspopping]

i have done A LOT of reading over the past 3 months, contemplating crossing to the dark side! I understand the options, the sides, the PCT etc...I understand why test should be the base of every cycle, if you are using primo or whatever. The only question i have is (i wouldn't ask as it sounds dumb but i cant find it answered anywhere else)....Assuming someone DID want to do an EQ only cycle on 400mg a week for 14 weeks for example, and was obviously told don't bother, throw at least 250mg test e in with it. fair enough, BUT assuming your body produces around 70mg of test a week, could you in theory, just throw in around 100mg of test a week, to keep your test levels up?
Basically, assuming for whatever reason, you weren't looking to use test for bigger gains, but were happy with lean gains of 8 - 10 pounds, would you be better on EQ only, or could you run 400mg of EQ and 100mg of test ?

Thanks, even for a flame haha.

 

[swole]

all my cycles are based on a 1.5 : 1 primo to test ratio

all of them.

 

[Para_Shoot]

Nelson, I wish you were this jazzed about peptides instead of primo. Then I would always have new interesting information streaming to me from you about what I'm excited about, peptides. I tried Primo, and lots of it, I really did back in the homebrew days. I wasn't impressed. I don't know, maybe for once I didn't get the real thing when I had raw primo, as compared to getting the real raw stuff on all the other orders (test prop, tren, masteron).. I could see someone getting ripped off on raw primo cause of the price margin. Perhaps I should try legit primo.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, I wish you were this jazzed about peptides instead of primo. Then I would always have new interesting information streaming to me from you about what I'm excited about, peptides. I tried Primo, and lots of it, I really did back in the homebrew days. I wasn't impressed. I don't know, maybe for once I didn't get the real thing when I had raw primo, as compared to getting the real raw stuff on all the other orders (test prop, tren, masteron).. I could see someone getting ripped off on raw primo cause of the price margin. Perhaps I should try legit primo.

Which peptides are you using? I'll admit they're intriguing but the jury i still out as to how effective/safe they are. And the prices! Ouch!

I think the injectable amino acids are very interesting. That's actually been used by pros for a long time, but again, the cost is just ridiculous. I do believe the new amino supp me and needto have coming out is very close in effectiveness to injectable aminos but at a fraction of the cost.

 

[sensational]

Primo is just not a powerful AAS.

It's gains are marginal, but its side effects are minimal. There is the rub. Its in the gains/side effects ratio.

 

[Unit 2005]

Primo is just not a powerful AAS.

It's gains are marginal, but its side effects are minimal. There is the rub. Its in the gains/side effects ratio.

Totally agree with you here.

 

[mr.nitro]

primo is too expencive for something that has been compaired to eq for results.

 

[Jzizzle26]

I've looked thru many AAS effectiveness charts and not only is primo the least harmful 2 your but but it has the highest rating for keeping your gains. Also it is also looked at as a great contest prep AAS.

 

[Nelson Montana]

primo is too expencive for something that has been compaired to eq for results.

It may be compared but it isn't in the same league.

 

[QiangDa]

It may be compared but it isn't in the same league.

Agreed...it can't touch EQ.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Agreed...it can't touch EQ.

In regard to what? The anxiety and rise in blood pressure? Fuck that. I'll leave it for the cattle.

Primo is the ultimate gear for guys who know how to train and diet properly.

 

[QiangDa]

In regard to what? The anxiety and rise in blood pressure? Fuck that. I'll leave it for the cattle.

Primo is the ultimate gear for guys who know how to train and diet properly.

I meant in regard to actual worthwhile gains.
Ok to be fair, never tried primo, just too expensive for what seems like minimal gain.
Never had anxiety from EQ, only felt great...strong, stamina, and full of energy...like a racehorse should. BP never went above 125/83, and averaged 117/78...yep I kept track.
I'd try primo though...but only if its priced the same as EQ milligram for milligram.

BTW Nelson, I remember you from waaay back in my misc.fitness.weights days ( mid to late 90s), have always enjoyed your posts/articles, even ones I didn't agree with, and learned a lot from them. Plus it was hella fun watchin some of your epic fights with Lyle M, and Pat A.
Take care bro.

 

[Unit 2005]

There is little difference in gains between primo and EQ, i have tried both and am more inclined to use eq over primo simply because the extra cost does not provide any difference in gains. Both good, primo way over priced and is def not the ultimate steroid for people who know how to diet and train properly.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I meant in regard to actual worthwhile gains.
Ok to be fair, never tried primo, just too expensive for what seems like minimal gain.
Never had anxiety from EQ, only felt great...strong, stamina, and full of energy...like a racehorse should. BP never went above 125/83, and averaged 117/78...yep I kept track.
I'd try primo though...but only if its priced the same as EQ milligram for milligram.

BTW Nelson, I remember you from waaay back in my misc.fitness.weights days ( mid to late 90s), have always enjoyed your posts/articles, even ones I didn't agree with, and learned a lot from them. Plus it was hella fun watchin some of your epic fights with Lyle M, and Pat A.
Take care bro.

Ha! I was a message board virgin in those days and had yet to learn there was a hierarchy standing on a lot of boards back then, especially on MFW. It was also dissapointing to find that people whose work I enjoyed, and who were contemporaries, were just petulant little assholes -- more concerned with being a board guru than displaying any class whatsoever. I hope they've grown up since then.