Anderson Silva best p4p fighter in the World

[VoegelinianPlatonist]

Its hard to think of someone more successful than Wanderlei Silva. He is probably on eof the few who have actually fought many over his weight and size. He lost to Hunt, but that was a ridiculous score card and everyone thought he should have had it. Ko to Cro Cop but fought a draw with him previously. His devestating KO over Jardine put him back on top again in my view. I couldn't imagine Anderson defeating him in a head to head match. Does anyone disagree with that?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I think Anderson is a far too skilled and powerful striker for Vandelei to stand with. Anderson is extremely accurate with his strikes and he throws them straight whereas Vanerlei throws a barrage of looping punches as his offensive mainstay. The shorter, more accurate strikes of Anderson will hit inside of Vanderlei's looping punches. Anderson also has the superior chin. I tend to doubt that Vanderlei has the skill to submit Anderson if it went to the ground and I also doubt Vanderlei could take it to the ground if Anderson did not want to go there. Vanderlei's best weapon in this match is his great cardio. Anderson has been demolishing opponents within the first few rounds and he may not be able to adapt to Vanderlei's attacks in later rounds. Vanderlei is also larger than Anderson and that extra weight could possible aid in fatiguing Anderson. Generally I would think Anderson KO's Vanderlei though.

 

[VoegelinianPlatonist]

I cant say I agree with you, my friend. Anderson hasn't proved he has the better chin. He hasn't fought people like Liddell and Jackso, much less gone toe to toe and taken the best they have to offer like Wanderlei. He certainly hasnt gone with heavyweights like Cro Cop and Hunt like W has. That aggressive, loose style of Anderson might change rather quickly once engaged with someone of the COMBINED quickness and power of W. Did you notice Liddell's assertiveness fade after the beginning of the fight, when he W backed up into the cage and Liddell chased him all the way across only to find a fierce combination waiting for him? I'm not familiar with any battles that have tested Anderson, perhaps I'm wrong?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I cant say I agree with you, my friend. Anderson hasn't proved he has the better chin. He hasn't fought people like Liddell and Jackso, much less gone toe to toe and taken the best they have to offer like Wanderlei. He certainly hasnt gone with heavyweights like Cro Cop and Hunt like W has. That aggressive, loose style of Anderson might change rather quickly once engaged with someone of the COMBINED quickness and power of W. Did you notice Liddell's assertiveness fade after the beginning of the fight, when he W backed up into the cage and Liddell chased him all the way across only to find a fierce combination waiting for him? I'm not familiar with any battles that have tested Anderson, perhaps I'm wrong?

Vanderlei never went toe-to-toe with Hunt. Vanderlei also lost that match. Vanderlei was absolutely beat down by Cro Cop, who KO'd him in the first round, hence that is no testament to the durability of his chin. The only common opponent both Vanderlei and Anderson have fought in recent times is Dan Henderson and Dan Henderson KO'd Vanderlei. Anderson ate a huge knee from Henderson, then took a flush straight right and just came forward then beat Henderson down before securing a rear naked choke. If you watch Anderson's fight with Jorge Rivera, you will see how durable Anderson is. Starting a 2:23 in their fight Jorge starts hitting Anderson flush. Anderson Silva MMA Fight Videos Anderson carries on and clinches unfazed, even though he is still taking shots in the clinch, including a hard, flush uppercut.

Part of the problem when analyzing Anderson's chin is that he doesn't usually stand still to make an easy target. Vanderlei is easier to hit and goes down easier than Anderson. Anderson is much more elusive, but when he does get hit he barely flinches.

 

[VoegelinianPlatonist]

There are no common fights because Anderson hasnt fought the list of great Wanderlei has. The Hunt match was taken at the last minute after W was set to fight Sakuraba (thus the disparaty between the traing would have been enormous). Henderson KO'd Wanderlei, but it was a single punch, which can happen to anyone. He actually defeated Henderson the match before that. Anderons, in my opinion, looks very "elusive" because he is standing in front of second caliber talent. He is certainly high caliber, but it troubles me to declare someone "grea", much less "the best pound-for-pound" when we havent seen much. There have been a long list of fighters that at one time were declared "unbeatable" only to crash and burn. I will say, though, that any grand declarations in MMA should be met with incredulity, given the fact that certain people match up so differently with each other.
Also, the announcers of the fights deliriously grandiose declarations aside, a rear choke is one of the simplest manouvers in the world, and doesn't prove anything close "versatility".

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

There are no common fights because Anderson hasnt fought the list of great Wanderlei has. The Hunt match was taken at the last minute after W was set to fight Sakuraba (thus the disparaty between the traing would have been enormous). Henderson KO'd Wanderlei, but it was a single punch, which can happen to anyone. He actually defeated Henderson the match before that. Anderons, in my opinion, looks very "elusive" because he is standing in front of second caliber talent. He is certainly high caliber, but it troubles me to declare someone "grea", much less "the best pound-for-pound" when we havent seen much. There have been a long list of fighters that at one time were declared "unbeatable" only to crash and burn. I will say, though, that any grand declarations in MMA should be met with incredulity, given the fact that certain people match up so differently with each other.
Also, the announcers of the fights deliriously grandiose declarations aside, a rear choke is one of the simplest manouvers in the world, and doesn't prove anything close "versatility".

Firstly a rear naked choke is not easy to secure, it is difficult. Everyone knows the defense, everyone knows it is coming, and their are few other options outside of risky, low percentage submissions. Almost all submissions are simple movements, the difficulty is setting them up against a resisting opponent.

Seconly as I stated earlier they do have a common recent opponent: Dan Henderson. Dan Henderson KO'd Vanderlei, Dan Henderson hit Anderson flush, but did not KO him. Dan Henderson therefore is more of a testament to the durability of Anderson while a detriment to the durability of Vanderlei.
I understand that Vanderlei won a decision to Henderson once, but that was back in 2000, not anytime recent.

Since 2005, Vanderlei's win-loss record is 5-5, and two of those wins are split decisions. His only high ranking win in recent times is a split decision againt Ricardo Arona. Jardine, while a solid competitor, is outside of the top rankings due to his inconsistencey. He may win against opponents like Forrest Griffin, but he also loses to opponents like Alexander Houston.

Since 2005 Anderson's win-loss record since 2005 is 9-2. Despite your claims to mediocre opposition, I would consider lopsided thrashings of Rich Franklin (x2 defending champ then former champ), Dan Henderson (former pride mw and ww champ), and Nathan Mardquardt (King of Pancrase) at least as impressive as a split decision win against Ricardo Arona, a split decision win aginst Hideheko Yoshida, and a KO win against Keith Jardine.

In regards to the "second caliber" talent such as Dan Henderson (yes, the same "second caliber" striker that KO'd Vanderlei) and Rich Franklin perhaps the better question would be "Who isn't second caliber in the mw division in your mind?" You're putting the former Pride middle and welterweight champion and the former UFC middleweight champion in the "second caliber". Who does Anderson have to beat to get your respect as a legitimate pound-for-pounder? He essentially won the UFC middleweight belt in lopsided fashion, then defended it easily, then unified the Pride WW and UFC Middleweight titles by thrashing Pride's champion.

 

[VoegelinianPlatonist]

Dan Henderson hit Wanderlei with a single shot with 4 oz gloves. This is a "testament" to his chin? What about the 20 wins in a row he racked up? What about the vale tudo career? And the long list of MW's is actually quite comical. Anderson was defeated with flying lock. Do you really think he would ever have defeated sakuraba? Could he beat Quinton Jackson?

The crux of the matter for me is this: Anderson has been matched up with people who havent given him reason to pause with that very confident stand up style. Henderson is not Wanderlei. Until he fights such a striker that stands in front of him with broad shoulders like a wall, ready to strike back with true power every time he seeks to strike, this discussion is mute. Watch Liddell's reaction after the early agrressiveness. The pop on the chin that dropped him quicker than he could realize it changed the game in his mind. I would like to see that happen to Anderson to get a better picture of him. NOT simply a single shot, but a fighter who shows him agressive, powerful counter strikes are waiting for him every time he comes close.

Last, to state that a rear naked choke isn't easy to procure is almost unbelievable to me. BJJ beginners are always able to "roll" with at leat the basice rear and guillotine chokes. Sure it is defendable, but that doesnt mean Anderson showed great skill in applying it. His opponent was simply Beaten up. He was beaten up by strikes, not defeated by the "versatility" of AS's grappling ability. What say you?

OH, and second caliber is what I would call them compared to the fighters W has fought. Cro Cop, who you mentioned as a testament to the "weakness" of his chin, outweighed him by how many pounds in that fight? How many heavyweights (true heavyweights) has Anderson fought?
W took shots from Quinton, particularly in one of them. Quinton knocked out Liddell, et.c So by your syllogistic reasoning (which NEVER works in MMA, since matchups of individuals are so meaningful) Wanderlei has a great chin. He was alos hit hard by Liddell. How many times was he even knocked down, much less out, by those two monsters? Just wondering. Maybe you could enlighten me?

 

[the_alcatraz]

I think GSP and BJ Pen are up there will Anderson Silva.

 

[VoegelinianPlatonist]

I think GSP and BJ Pen are up there will Anderson Silva.

Agreed, my friend. BJ Penn is one of the remarkable naturals rarely seen. His fight with Sherk showed his greatness. His BJJ is top notch.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Agreed, my friend. BJ Penn is one of the remarkable naturals rarely seen. His fight with Sherk showed his greatness. His BJJ is top notch.

He chose BJJ over school. That's gotta mean something.

His parents like own Hawaii or smthg...lol